tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5026481792726152657..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: A 2008 Message from Paige Patterson on Handling AttacksFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34783224515232817192010-01-17T11:15:15.824-05:002010-01-17T11:15:15.824-05:00Arce - Site some relevent fact. A news story, the...Arce - Site some relevent fact. A news story, the date an event occurred, a credible quotation from a directly involved person...anything. <br /><br />You do not have it and neither does anyone else. That is my point. Responsible writers will provide accurate references or will state opinion or editorial. Opinion is little more than fiction and most of the identified links between Gilyard and Patterson are opinion and worse. Most of the posts in here are intended to inflict damage to someone. In my opinion, the posts are horrible. For certain there is little factual basis. You might as well report that Patterson is from Mars.<br /> <br />If you know that someone is, in fact, breaking a law or behaves in a manner that is injurious to others then you have a resposiblity to report it. Otherwise, stop spreading gossip, which is to say "false witness." <br /><br />Let me just point out that false witness literally means to say something without having first hand knowledge. If you guess, and happen to tell the truth by lottery, then you still bear false witness. You were not there. You do not know what Patterson knew... <b>for a fact.</b><br /><br />You get it now?Entertainednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2813647843378144832010-01-14T17:46:51.092-05:002010-01-14T17:46:51.092-05:00Paige Patterson could sell sandals to Eskimos!!!
...Paige Patterson could sell sandals to Eskimos!!!<br /><br />Only a man totally paranoid could convince himself that he is so right God is on his side at all times.<br /><br />I once had an old maid aunt who could, with tears in her eyes, tell the most outlandish tales that anyone not checking the facts would certainly believe she was telling the truth.<br /><br />When I checked facts about a tale she told about my father, it was so totally untrue it should land her in the firest of Hell, <br />BUT it still cost my father $10,000 to solve without further legal problems.<br /><br />Which proves:<br /><br />(1) A good lyar is hard to detect.<br /><br />(2) Even when detected and proven wrong, they can still cost you money to just get rid of their sorry lying mouth!<br /><br />I am confident God will straighten his mess out eventually and he may be in for a surprise. Until then, remember Jesus' words about wolves in sheep's clothing---BEWARE!!!!Gene Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726662612894104518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25496913246485126842010-01-14T12:44:41.072-05:002010-01-14T12:44:41.072-05:00Most of you guys posting here seem to be out to at...Most of you guys posting here seem to be out to attack pastors/clergy! They are human, just like you and I are and they are NOT perfect. Yes, they are going to make mistakes just like we do." <br /><br />A mistake is spilling your milk or a typo. We are talking about willful, continual sin. Defending a predator minister is serious business.<br /><br />Funny how so many professing Christians view willfull sin as a 'mistake'. That cheapens HIS Blood.<br /><br />Rick Warren started referring to sin as mistakes 30 years ago and it has made it's way as a normal Christian practice. Perhaps if we viewed our sins as what they really mean, we would be convicted to actually repent. But when they are called mistakes, it sounds like sin is simply accidental. I did not mean to molest that girl...huh?<br /><br />So, Ananias and Sapphira just made a"mistake" when they lied?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65714786010827667782010-01-14T10:35:55.986-05:002010-01-14T10:35:55.986-05:00Jer1022: Pastors and clergy are supposed to be mor...Jer1022: Pastors and clergy are supposed to be more concerned about how they treat others than mere congregants who never had seminary training and schools of higher learning. Maybe this explains it all.<br /><br />In addition, what do you think spiritual discernment is? It certainly is not used by many supporters of "wayward clergy". In Gilyard's case, he was a predator. But some still backed him. What you must understand, in many cases, preachers "stick together" as to present a united front. Even covering for each others mistakes. After all if one looks bad then they think it hurts them all. And quite often it does. But, it is much worse when some preachers continue to support the "wrong guys". And in addition some in leadership positions will not admit when they have made a less than stellar choice when "calling" a preacher to a church. They find out later, but then say well we must "live" with the choice, give him our support, anything else would just "hurt the church". What is worse for a church than the wrong preacher? Please keep in mind that not all preachers are called by God. Some just get in a lucrative business, and "call" themselves to a ministry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83571633445400148132010-01-14T01:23:49.325-05:002010-01-14T01:23:49.325-05:00Most of you guys posting here seem to be out to at...Most of you guys posting here seem to be out to attack pastors/clergy! They are human, just like you and I are and they are NOT perfect. Yes, they are going to make mistakes just like we do. Their problem is that many of mistakes they make (things they say and some of their actions) are public. Where is grace? I am so glad Jesus doesn't attack my mistakes! Of course, if there would have been computers back then, I am sure Jesus (who was perfect) would have had plenty of bloggers, and most of them probably would have been anonymous too!jer1022https://www.blogger.com/profile/02979984665926192231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16213566372387824632010-01-13T23:22:46.651-05:002010-01-13T23:22:46.651-05:00Anonymous said...
Watchdog,
Make your post...<i> Anonymous said...<br /> Watchdog,<br /> Make your posts shorter. It takes too long to read all this.<br /> 22 words or less makes a good post.<br /> January 13, 2010 11:12 AM</i><br /><br /><br />Short attention span, huh? Too much tweeting will do that to ya...Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30675276509394023612010-01-13T22:48:08.934-05:002010-01-13T22:48:08.934-05:00Sorry Entertained, but it is a totally responsible...Sorry Entertained, but it is a totally responsible post. We are to use our discernment to confront the brother who persists in sin and that is Patterson in the matter of Gilyard. Refused to believe that his protege was a real creep when repeatedly told so by the women and teenage girls he had abused. That is SIN and he does not belong in any position of leadership as a result. Get real about how Gilyard was able to continue for many years after Patterson had reason to know but refused to see -- he had Patterson's endorsement.<br /><br />Patterson aided and abetted sexual abuse of women and teenage girls, plain and simple.Arcehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15353942268618097671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37098848861845426462010-01-13T20:35:41.777-05:002010-01-13T20:35:41.777-05:00Sorry Entertained,
There is much documented evide...Sorry Entertained,<br /><br />There is much documented evidence of what Patterson knew and when. Just because it bothers you doesn't make it false. Facts are facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42317673617265845602010-01-13T19:30:34.634-05:002010-01-13T19:30:34.634-05:00I wish I knew how you guys seem to know exactly wh...I wish I knew how you guys seem to know exactly what these preachers knew for fact, and when they knew it. <br /><br />If it were me getting smeared, I might not be inclined to turn the other cheek. I might find a way to make you back your words.<br /><br />Totally irresponsible post.Entertainednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63772221832877001702010-01-13T16:54:32.962-05:002010-01-13T16:54:32.962-05:00Thanks for letting us know, Anon.
Anybody connect...Thanks for letting us know, Anon.<br /><br />Anybody connected with FBCJ knows what a wonderful ministry the ushers have at that church. Some outside of FBCJ might find that funny, "ushering" being a ministry, but the ushers at FBCJ have a real ministry and its been that way for decades and decades.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4291005233526385702010-01-13T15:48:08.727-05:002010-01-13T15:48:08.727-05:00As information, Mr. Troy Taylor Vice Chairman of U...As information, Mr. Troy Taylor Vice Chairman of Ushers for almost 50 years at FBCJ died Monday. All that knew Troy knew he was the "real deal". A WWII veteran and a man of great character. He was always at his post come rain or shine. It was a pleasure to know him and work alongside of him for many, many years. He was a unique and gifted man that loved the Lord and people. He consistently had a smile on his face and a ready handshake for all. He will be greatly missed. I feel that both Dr Lindsays met him at the Eastern Gate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32215672645327618562010-01-13T14:23:24.861-05:002010-01-13T14:23:24.861-05:00All the below links from this blog:
Soaring High:...All the below links from this blog:<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2009/05/soaring-high-one-person-can-make.html" rel="nofollow">Soaring High: One Person Can Make a Difference [MAY 18, 2009]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2008/12/examples-of-poor-treatment-of-women-at.html" rel="nofollow">Examples of the Poor Treatment of Women at the Hands of Jacksonville Churches [DECEMBER 19, 2008]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2007/12/some-observations.html" rel="nofollow">Some Observations... [DECEMBER 31, 2007]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2007/12/gilyards-ugly-past.html" rel="nofollow">Gilyard's Ugly Past [DECEMBER 27, 2007]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2007/12/one-bright-spot-in-gilyard-story.html" rel="nofollow">One Bright Spot in the Gilyard Story [DECEMBER 25, 2007]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2007/12/gilyard-text-messages-and-sexual.html" rel="nofollow">Gilyard: Text Messages and "Sexual Encounters"...Here We Go Again? [DECEMBER 24, 2007]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2007/12/gilyards-past-youre-telling-me-nobody.html" rel="nofollow">Gilyard's Past: You're Telling Me Nobody Knew???? [DECEMBER 22, 2007]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2007/12/baptist-pastor-stays-on-paid-leave.html" rel="nofollow">Baptist Pastor Stays On Paid Leave... [DECEMBER 22, 2007]</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16972849513929103632010-01-13T14:14:34.804-05:002010-01-13T14:14:34.804-05:00All below links from Grace and Truth to You [Pasto...All below links from <a href="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Grace and Truth to You [Pastor Wade Burleson]</a>:<br /><br /><a href="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2008/09/sordid-and-strange-darrell-gilyard.html" rel="nofollow">The Sordid and Strange Darrell Gilyard Story and What It Reveals About the SBC [SEPTEMBER 09, 2008]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2009/05/walking-where-sbc-preachers-fail-to.html" rel="nofollow">Walking Where SBC Preachers Fail to Tread [MAY 18, 2009]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2009/03/abuse-of-authority-it-must-not-be.html" rel="nofollow">Abuse of Authority: It Must Not Be Ignored [MARCH 28, 2009]</a>.<br /><br /><a href="http://kerussocharis.blogspot.com/2008/03/problem-of-predator-in-pulpit-in-sbc.html" rel="nofollow">The Problem of a Predator In the Pulpit in the SBC [MARCH 09, 2008]</a>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16298149777489760952010-01-13T13:14:16.386-05:002010-01-13T13:14:16.386-05:00Entertained.
I do hold Patterson much more respon...Entertained.<br /><br />I do hold Patterson much more responsible for Gilyard than the deacons or youth minister. He knew about Gilyard from Criswell College. He had women go to him for help dealing with Gilyard. He had all the dots to connect. The deacons and youth minister had no way of knowing all the information that Patterson had. Patterson had the power to stop it without any threat to himself professionally. He over and over did nothing. I agree that the youth minister and deacons should have said/done something but that was one instance while Patterson had numerous instances of turning away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17043881045796274232010-01-13T13:00:23.611-05:002010-01-13T13:00:23.611-05:00"I doubt that Patterson was the only preacher..."I doubt that Patterson was the only preacher that gave Gilyard the benefit of the doubt. Patterson was probably one of the most prominent that stuck his neck out." <br /><br /><br />Actually, this goes way back. Patterson know there were "problems" all the way back to Criswell College days. Yet, Patterson promoted Gilyard as his protege. And over the years continued to protect him. Even when women came forward and spoke to him personally about it. Patterson continued to defend and did not investigate their accusations.<br /><br />Now, Patterson would love for us to believe he was very distanced from the situation. And many fall for it. LIke youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24950981442338241982010-01-13T12:28:15.343-05:002010-01-13T12:28:15.343-05:00Having been a victim of a "church leadership ...Having been a victim of a "church leadership smear machine", I can tell you they are rarely innocent. They just use the "church" position of "righteousness" to accomplish their end.<br /><br />In addition, might I say, "watch what preachers/ deacons and leadership do". What they say is often "cover" and diversionary. What they DO is what really matters. What they do and what they say are all too often different scenarios.<br /><br />Believers are beginning to read their own Bibles and are discovering that many times they have been mislead about doctrines and truths. Believers are waking up, studying their Bibles, and finding that they can't always "trust" the man in the pulpit. This is why it is so important to "try the spirits". Is the preacher/speaker/leader trustworthy? Does what is being spoken agree with the Bible. If there are questions....go with the Bible. Man is fallible, the Bible is perfect truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89853488842399275812010-01-13T12:06:59.988-05:002010-01-13T12:06:59.988-05:00Watchdog: Write what you wish. I find them interes...Watchdog: Write what you wish. I find them interesting and informative. Thanks. Lets see now thats twenty two words! Barely made it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82378816197151146172010-01-13T11:12:46.229-05:002010-01-13T11:12:46.229-05:00Watchdog,
Make your posts shorter. It takes too ...Watchdog, <br /><br />Make your posts shorter. It takes too long to read all this.<br /><br />22 words or less makes a good post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28158299584111566132010-01-13T07:55:30.353-05:002010-01-13T07:55:30.353-05:00When a pastor has abused his authority and has cau...When a pastor has abused his authority and has caused harm to people, particularly by sexual abuse, then not speaking out against it is a failure to do what we are called to do, to come to the aid of the vulnerable and protect them. That is the complaint against Patterson, and others, in the Gilyard matter. However, Patterson was presented with multiple complaints against Gilyard and refused to even consider them, instead continuing to recommend him to churches where Gilyard abused additional victims.<br /><br />Speaking out against the failures of Patterson, and of others who knew or should have known that Gilyard was/is a sexual predator, is an obligation supported by scripture and is not an attack but a truth telling.<br /><br />Not speaking out when we know something is wrong or that someone has caused harm or endorsed one who has and is causing harm, particularly if that someone is in a positionArcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11751883067206457992010-01-13T07:41:20.257-05:002010-01-13T07:41:20.257-05:00My point is that Patterson takes a lot of heat. H...My point is that Patterson takes a lot of heat. His critics expend a considerable amount of resources by targeting him instead of fixing blame on others.<br /><br />Patterson's point is correct. How many lines did you write about Patterson when compared to others?<br /><br />If a pastor is being criticized for serving Jesus then, yes, he should "turn the other cheek." If he or his family is otherwise attacked, I think that he has the right to declare war and use every legal resource available to stop the problem.<br /><br />The critics should write with knowledge that they might be held accountable for their words. That seems fair to me.<br /><br />Write what you wish, just know you are responsible for your words.Entertainednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35708895586990978062010-01-12T23:22:03.364-05:002010-01-12T23:22:03.364-05:00Entertained - when the Gilyard story broke around ...Entertained - when the Gilyard story broke around Christmas of 2007, I was one of the first bloggers and even beat the local media in providing the stories from the early 1990's that reported on Gilyard's problems. I received emails from a local news reporter wanting to know where I obtained my 1991 news reports on Gilyard's past. I wrote quite a few articles back then criticizing the church, its deacons and lay leaders that knew of Gilyard's past but didn't inform their members. I also reported on the ONE local pastor who did dare to confront Gilyard when he shoed up to pastor Shiloh - this pastor was banned from the property for daring to personally confront Gilyard and tell him he was unqualified to pastor a church.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52891779552457907792010-01-12T23:03:26.729-05:002010-01-12T23:03:26.729-05:00I doubt that Patterson was the only preacher that ...I doubt that Patterson was the only preacher that gave Gilyard the benefit of the doubt. Patterson was probably one of the most prominent that stuck his neck out. <br /><br />I think that Patterson made a good point. He is a leader and bears the most force of the brunt when someting or someone goes wrong. You did not attack the youth Pastor or Music Minister in Gilyards church that obviously supported him?<br /><br />I am only making a point that you and others reserved your opportunistic and sensational attack on men like Patterson. You did not go after the deacons and staff.Entertainednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84447610251697116062010-01-12T23:03:04.481-05:002010-01-12T23:03:04.481-05:00Anonymous said...
Hey, if Watchdog hadn't said...Anonymous said...<br />Hey, if Watchdog hadn't said something about Brunson first . . .. January 12, 2010 2:28 PM.<br /><br /><br /> Anonymous said...<br />We at FBC KNOW how to handle unjust criticism . . .. January 12, 2010 9:39 PM.<br /><br />I would note that the criticism by WD was not false or slanderous, but true reporting of facts, and fully justified by showing what a hypocrit Brunson is in saying one thing and doing another himself.<br />Brunson, on the other hand, openly and publicly slandered the WD with false allegations and also had agents who made false allegations against the WD.<br /><br />What Brunson did was an attack; what the WD did was not.Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23719760553787104932010-01-12T22:43:01.192-05:002010-01-12T22:43:01.192-05:00Anon 9:43
It is very difficult to find a bible be...Anon 9:43<br /><br />It is very difficult to find a bible believing church nowdays here in Jacksonville. Be not dishearted. God is always in control and as you very well know he loves you where every you are. <br /><br />From what I have observed we are about to see the end of the reformation as we have known it. The baptist denomination is self destructing right before our eyes. They have adopted the belief that it is more important to get along with even New Age churches and their beliefs rather than be scripturaly sound in doctrine. When you join yourselves with cults and the enemies of God you are headed for destruction. We are seeing the SBC go worldly. Blend in with the world. Go along and get along. <br /><br />It may be that the Lord may be ready to shake us up from our leathargey. Maybe he is waiting for someone to stand up and start a new reformation for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Or will it be some of the new dads who refuse to let their family grow up not attending a God fearing church. They may have to start their own revival honoring the Lord Jesus Christ. <br /><br />It is becoming obvious that too many of the current day churches are departing from the word of God and becoming no more than businesses. What a shame.<br /><br />So, Anon 9:43 keep looking for a church. God still has some out there.<br /><br />FAITHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73432480353034054802010-01-12T21:43:22.492-05:002010-01-12T21:43:22.492-05:00I have found that many of the clergy think they ar...I have found that many of the clergy think they are a member of the deity. I ran into one of those, that's why I no longer attend church. I stay close to the Lord and read my Bible, by myself. I found that I get along much better that way. No one has a chance to cause me further distress, because I am not around them. Jesus is more than sufficient.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com