tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5065679324391254631..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Diagnosing and Delivering Slaves Week After Week - SOMEBODY Has to Do This Hard Work!FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71243587265918082662014-01-23T22:14:05.373-05:002014-01-23T22:14:05.373-05:00Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word...Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word of God. Romans 10:17<br /><br />English Standard Version<br />How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? Romans 10:14.<br /><br />I agree with Tullian's tweet. He is very good at teaching freedom as I believe the Bible teaches and not the Law. Grace and not morals or a to do list. Many are slaves and by that he means those enslaved to the law or morals teaching etc. He does not believe us to be slaves to anyone but Christ who actually frees us. <br />Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26909829050321355212014-01-23T13:25:47.548-05:002014-01-23T13:25:47.548-05:00To Mr. Bennett Willis:
I know that the Caner appo...To Mr. Bennett Willis:<br /><br />I know that the Caner appointment is off the subject. Fully aware that it shouldn't be posted on an article about someone else. However....... we tried to find a way to contact Watchdog through email and didn't see it on this blog. <br /><br />We live very close to BPC and know the situation pretty well down here. Was just alerting Watchdog to the news. We're on Twitter and we have a blog (not related to apologetics or Caner) and we wanted to alert anonymously. <br /><br />The Caner situation is not going to be good down here. Maybe it will be good for some folks, like Peter Lumpkins. Who knows? People have really mixed emotions about this, to include students and employees. It's a "wait and see" for everyone. <br /><br />More importantly, this community does NOT need another con artist loose in the area. <br /><br />This place is still reeling from this news story. Just Google Aubrey Lee Price. <br /><br />http://www.cbsnews.com/news/aubrey-price-us-banker-pleads-not-guilty-to-fraud/<br /><br />I CANNOT believe, after what this community has gone through, with the FDIC closing banks and indictments, that they would be willing to bring in a con artist to run the local Christian college. Seriously, there are some major problems down here with fraud, embezzlement and drug trafficking. I would never have believed what we're seeing down here. Rural Georgia is run by Boss Hogg. <br /><br />Personally, I think we're seeing another attempt at a SBC "takeover". More on those thoughts later. <br />Neptunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19975314879177291782014-01-23T12:11:25.493-05:002014-01-23T12:11:25.493-05:00I think his comments represent a wrong over-emphas...I think his comments represent a wrong over-emphasis on preaching. Protestants replaced the alter with the pulpit and now the silver tongue of the preacher is what is considered the primary vehicle to "deliver" people. As a Catholic, I see that the Eucharist is central to worship and the sermon is secondary. Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73072993949250266812014-01-22T23:01:49.802-05:002014-01-22T23:01:49.802-05:00Totally off the subject: See Smathers' blog f...Totally off the subject: See Smathers' blog for some activity on Caner's law suit.Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20633003263169029702014-01-22T20:36:14.911-05:002014-01-22T20:36:14.911-05:00Some news from Brewton-Parker College about the ne...Some news from Brewton-Parker College about the new appointment by Ergun Caner. Just saw this 5 hours ago on Twitter.<br /><br />http://www.bpc.edu/pressrelease/vppressrelease.htmlNeptunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55873791401257825142014-01-21T01:39:56.160-05:002014-01-21T01:39:56.160-05:00Does "the gospel" need to be preached we...Does "the gospel" need to be preached week in and week out as if you are still not saved? Its funny that in the pastorals (I know heretics like Tullian probably buy the line that these are forged, right?) Paul calls "sound doctrine" the doctrine concerning how to live the Christian life, not constant repetition of "the gospel" to the already saved.<br /><br />Titus 2:1-8 "But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded. In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you."<br /><br />This sound doctrine stuff is precisely the stuff that cheap-grace-mongers like Tullian don't want to preach. Every week, week in and week out, they want to diagnose a fiction non-existant "total depravity" and "the gospel" (their cheap grace false gospel) as the magick pill to fix it. But medicine that changes nothing, that has no effect, cannot fix anything. And they admit plainly that their "the gospel" has no power to actually change a person. Their "the gospel" leaves people "totally depraved," or rather makes them totally depraved for the first time. People would be better off having Hinduism preached to them than Tullian's false gospel. At least they'd know what they'd hear wasn't the gospel.dave bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03481248763950817890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76147573607378811612014-01-20T23:03:27.149-05:002014-01-20T23:03:27.149-05:00I noticed that prominent "discernment blogger...I noticed that prominent "discernment blogger" Chris Rosebrough interviewed Tullian last week and it seems the spin was positive. A link to Fighting for the Faith is even included on your page under "Watchdogs Favorites". Tullian referred to Chris as his friend in this recent post. <br /> http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tullian/2014/01/20/go-ahead-talk-to-a-lutheran/ <br /><br /> I know you say you have no beef with this guy but your twisted interpretation of this tweet tells a different story. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60611462337825101962014-01-20T22:31:48.422-05:002014-01-20T22:31:48.422-05:00You are barking up the wrong tree Dawg. He says &q...You are barking up the wrong tree Dawg. He says "pulpit" not "pastors". What occurs in the pulpit? Preaching! His point is that preaching should be about one thing and one thing only, the gospel. The point is the gospel diagnosis us and the gospel delivers us. We are sinners in need of a savior. I don't know about you but I need to be reminded of this diagnosis daily. Yes we are new creatures in Christ but we still have our old nature and we tend to drift. Anyone familiar with Tullian knows he preaches grace and the gospel week in and week out. John Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23828556342167752572014-01-20T17:53:33.417-05:002014-01-20T17:53:33.417-05:00"Most evangelicals generally agree that if a ..."Most evangelicals generally agree that if a person does not get saved by age 18, there is a 90+% chance they never will be saved."<br /><br />How did you come to this conclusion? What is your source?<br /><br />"Anyway, before people turn 18, they are usually happy, excited about life, looking to the future, want to have fun, enjoy life, carefree, etc. Then, one of us lays the truth on them:"<br /><br />So they make the decision to follow Christ and they aren't told that they are sinners until after they turn 18? Where is this pattern being followed?<br /><br />"But before you can be saved by him, you have to believe ALL of everything written in the ancient texts that we decided were part of the canon."<br /><br />Really? Who is making this claim? Please be specific.<br /><br />"before you were even 18 and your brain wasn't even fully formed yet"<br /><br />Actually the brain is not fully formed until age 25 according to the new book "Welcome to your Child's Brain." Perhaps the drinking age should be changed.<br /><br /><br />"If they have to be 18 to vote or sign a contract, or see certain restricted movies, why can they "make a decision for Christ" before they are 18?"<br /><br />Perhaps because those things have nothing in common. A decision for Christ is a personal decision that doesn't affect the entire nation (vote), doesn't involve signing a binding agreement (contract), or watching graphic nudity or listening to obscene language.<br /><br />See the difference?<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31265766212143772932014-01-20T16:07:07.946-05:002014-01-20T16:07:07.946-05:00To the Anonymouse of January 20, 2014 at 9:30 AM :...To the Anonymouse of January 20, 2014 at 9:30 AM :<br /><br />I grew up in a church that didn't teach original sin nor require a 10% tithe. The collection basket was passed around on Sunday mornings, but there was no set amount. You could put a dollar or 10 cents in if you wanted, or just a penny, or nothing. Nobody forced anyone to give 10% of their gross income. And its still the same today.dave bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03481248763950817890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83807012943028954062014-01-20T13:21:47.608-05:002014-01-20T13:21:47.608-05:00Anon - Jan 20 - 9:30 am
I hope I never get old eno...Anon - Jan 20 - 9:30 am<br />I hope I never get old enough to be as bitter as you seem to be. You must be a riot at parties.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12775504193513028632014-01-20T10:18:59.734-05:002014-01-20T10:18:59.734-05:00Tweet from the Watchdog: "The watchdog's...Tweet from the Watchdog: "The watchdog's blog is designed for one thing and one thing only: Diagnosing bullied and abused sheep and setting them free from the man of gawd...week after week after week"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55898735271015834182014-01-20T09:30:19.419-05:002014-01-20T09:30:19.419-05:00The "gospel" sets people free? Most eva...The "gospel" sets people free? Most evangelicals generally agree that if a person does not get saved by age 18, there is a 90+% chance they never will be saved. Why is that? Hmmmm. (Makes sense why Catholics baptize them into the church as infants.) Anyway, before people turn 18, they are usually happy, excited about life, looking to the future, want to have fun, enjoy life, carefree, etc. Then, one of us lays the truth on them: "You are no damn good. And even if you are a really good kid, you need to know that you were stained by original sin by Mr. Adam and Mrs. Eve, who were real people that lived in a garden and listened to a snake, who tempted them to eat a fruit from a tree God told them not to eat. So now, young lady or young man, you are condemned to eternal damnation for ever and ever. Burned without being consumed. No matter how hard you try, your deeds are not good enough. Sound good so far? (Does Santa come and murder us if we don't obey him? If so, we probably wouldn't have many Santa lovers.) So now, you piece of excrement, I have great news! You can be saved and freed from this horrible eternal death sentence and can only be good and find goodness and love and happiness in Mr. Jesus, who lived over 2000 years ago. But before you can be saved by him, you have to believe ALL of everything written in the ancient texts that we decided were part of the canon. If you find any part not believable (such as the sun standing still, or talking donkeys, or flying angels, or the dead resurrecting, or virgin births, or great fish swallowing men and spitting them back out, or walking on water, or having to give 10% of your gross income undesignated of every dime you earn for the rest of your life, etc.)than you are not really a Christian, and if male, are not even a real man. So you are put under even more baggage/bondage/slavery than you begin with back when you "made a decision" before you were even 18 and your brain wasn't even fully formed yet!<br /><br />Science knows young people make stupid decisions and have poor reasoning sometimes because their frontal lobes are not fully developed. So, society/government makes them be 18 before they even can legally contract. Yet, the "church" (and cigarette and alcohol sellers) target them while they are young and impressionable and innocent and non-thinking. If they have to be 18 to vote or sign a contract, or see certain restricted movies, why can they "make a decision for Christ" before they are 18? Because churches (and cigarette makers) know that if they wait until the young person grows up, they will never be able to get them. <br /><br />amen and amenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28828991094230572802014-01-20T09:10:35.873-05:002014-01-20T09:10:35.873-05:00Didn't Lincoln free the slaves in this country...Didn't Lincoln free the slaves in this country, along with a courageous congress, and brave union soldiers? Sorry pastors, you are not freeing anybody from anything. You are putting them under more bondage by guilting them into giving YOU money for YOUR salary and programs and facilities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25560219794241190552014-01-20T04:51:56.792-05:002014-01-20T04:51:56.792-05:00David said...
"I took his Tweet differently:...David said... <br />"I took his Tweet differently: the Gospel frees us because we are slaves to sin. It did not come across to me as arrogant or egotistical."<br /><br />It came across to me as goofy.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73646269355621877082014-01-19T18:10:30.184-05:002014-01-19T18:10:30.184-05:00The Holy Spirit does the diagnosing and Jesus does...The Holy Spirit does the diagnosing and Jesus does the delivering. <br /><br />Puplit's only job is "delivering" the message, not the souls.<br /><br />How can the church NOT be a mess when leaders don't even know their roles anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89958884581930110522014-01-19T09:05:13.515-05:002014-01-19T09:05:13.515-05:00David - I didn't find it egotistical or arroga...David - I didn't find it egotistical or arrogant either. Just shockingly stupid.<br /><br />And BTW, he didn't say the gospel "frees" people from sin. He says pastors are "diagnosing" and "delivering" slaves. FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58392316927461404692014-01-19T08:55:56.809-05:002014-01-19T08:55:56.809-05:00I took his Tweet differently: the Gospel frees us...I took his Tweet differently: the Gospel frees us because we are slaves to sin. It did not come across to me as arrogant or egotistical.David Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01906369923707588813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58712347172384708002014-01-19T08:40:49.400-05:002014-01-19T08:40:49.400-05:00This post is not a shot at Tchividjian. It is not ...This post is not a shot at Tchividjian. It is not me getting caught up in "too much watchdogging". I have no beef with this guy. <br /><br />Rather, this post is an observation of the nuttiness of evangelical-speak that comes from pastors in general, and most evangelicals that makes no sense, and turns people off from considering the Christian message in 2014.<br /><br />Pastors aren't "delivering slaves" and they're not "diagnosing slaves". Slavery is not diagnosed. Why not call what he and others do what it is. They stand in the pulpit and give a 30 to 45 minute speech on their religion, about the Bible, and hopefully to try and help people. And no interaction or rebuttal - just 30 to 45 minutes of interrupted delivery of a message. <br /><br />Is a school teacher "diagnosing ignoramuses" and "delivering ignoramuses" every day? No, they are teaching, guiding, helping, coaching. But not "delivering" anyone. Why be extreme? <br /><br />And the irony of the Tweet: the term "slave" might better apply to what pastors seek for members of their church. Who is really enslaved? Who seeks to enslave? So many pastors - not even saying Tullian is one of them, as I just don't know that much about him - really do seek devoted followers of their religious empire, get them to fork over large amounts of their money to support the religious system that resembles little of what Christ came to establish, and to give large chunks of volunteer time. That seems to perhaps be a more apt description of "slavery".<br /><br />So that is what my post was about. Not carrying any "aggression" out toward Tullian - but making the observation of how ridiculous and extreme and really cultic his Tweet sounds, and the lovely irony of using the term slave when it comes to what a pastor does.<br /><br />When you get freed from this system, it is a wonderful, wonderful thing, trust me. My post is more borne out of my freedom from the religious system that breeds this extreme nuttiness and my ability to see it and daring to talk about it.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64004174405026032692014-01-19T04:11:06.420-05:002014-01-19T04:11:06.420-05:00I agree with others that FBC Jax Watchdog misinter...I agree with others that FBC Jax Watchdog misinterpreted Mr. Tchividjian’s comments. In fact, I would go so far as to say that this is an instance of the Watchdog getting too caught up in watchdogging.<br /><br />That’s the only thing which makes me nervous about “heresy hunters” and “watchdogs”. <i>They do provide much needed accountability</i>, but, at the same time, they can get carried away and go searching for targets on which to take their aggression out.<br /><br />Moreover, we have the simple questions: Who watches the said watchers? If the watcher is in error (i.e. like in this instance) and stands by what they say, who can correct them? Don’t we all need accountability in one form or another?<br /><br />Watchdog, you’ve fought a good fight against the tyranny of Mac Brunson and done some good work in general. Don’t turn in to what you fought against.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44379650808795800942014-01-16T10:00:03.303-05:002014-01-16T10:00:03.303-05:00for "An Attorney". could you please give...for "An Attorney". could you please give the Scriptural basis for that type of church polity? Seems to be confusing Deacons for Elders. Two distinctly differently roles with distinctly different responsibilities.<br />Dee Lauderdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14723069502535620781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38745722314029193002014-01-15T14:56:08.023-05:002014-01-15T14:56:08.023-05:00I grew up in a lay-controlled church, with pastor ...I grew up in a lay-controlled church, with pastor hired by and supervised by the deacons (when needed, acting as a pastor search committee), who were nominated and elected by the congregation without pastor input. It worked very well.<br /><br />On two occasions, the deacons basically told the pastor it was time for him to go and gave him a severance package and period to leave. Once the cause was the gossipy pastor's wife spending most of every day on the phone spreading rumors. Another was a minister who wandered from counseling a younger woman into adultery with her. In both cases, a pastor-run church situation would not have resulted in the needed corrective action. An Attorneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6940914166356684842014-01-15T12:31:42.489-05:002014-01-15T12:31:42.489-05:00"Get rid of all the preachers/pastors and see..."Get rid of all the preachers/pastors and see what a mess you have. Lay people are already falling all over themselves trying to gain power in a church so it would be a free-for-all."<br />__________________________________<br /><br />My point exactly. It is all about power. Imagine if those lay people could get that salary and beneftis also. Like churches now openly admit: "It's all about the Benjamins" and I would add the "power." Laymen aren't the only ones falling all over themselves to get the power and money peddling the gospel brings. Seminary students and current pastors/preachers are too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71998190654741991312014-01-15T11:51:28.731-05:002014-01-15T11:51:28.731-05:00Do you realize that you have ads for "sexy on...Do you realize that you have ads for "sexy online games" on your blog? Speaking of slaves to sin, this might not help people! Just Say'nAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70862289956782437972014-01-15T10:23:28.610-05:002014-01-15T10:23:28.610-05:00David,
I have got to agree. No pastors and the chu...David,<br />I have got to agree. No pastors and the church will survive just fine. <br />I am thinking it might even do better. A bunch of folks won't go because of the money involved in paying preachers...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com