tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5194917643568300189..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Update on Pastor's Conference 2009...PRICE CUT!FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78650433137145060862009-01-25T17:10:00.000-05:002009-01-25T17:10:00.000-05:00WOW!!!How sad. Has Dr. Brunson really fallen that...WOW!!!How sad. Has Dr. Brunson really fallen that far? I was discipled under him. I knew Trey when he was a smart mouthed teenager. Dr. Mac used to step on my toes all the time, which for me was a good thing because I had a lot of junk which needed to be confronted. I was a new Christian and didn't know the Bible so I couldn't find the passages which dealt so directly and confrontationally with my sins. SOmetimes he made me mad and sometimes he hurt my feelings. But please here this...I became a stronger christian because he called sin sin! An old woman in our church sold her life long violin to pledge to the church. No many people knew that it was Dr. Brunson who bought it back had the church give it back to her. He made arrangements for several of us to get jobs and help as seminary when we went. He and Debbie counseled me when I learned that God wanted me to be a Pastor's wife. His teaching was always Biblical and I loved learning the original Greek words which English can often so poorly translate. ALl this to say that I have always remembered him fondly and with prayer. Has he really changed that much? Has he really fallen so far? Than I must pray all the more fervantly because the "man of God" whom I knew has fallen. Yet I am concerned to follow the counsel of one who will not identify himself. I have never found this to be reputable practice. In fact...the Word of God says that accusation should never be brought against an elder except with two or more witnessess. By default a true witness is willing to bear his or her name by their report. I am not trying to trick you into identifying yourself. My courtroom is Heaven. Yet I warn you that your attacks will eventually fall on deaf ears. People will grow weary of the growls and barks of the masked watchdog. Brother or Sister...if Mac is really fallen so far than you should use all this time and energy getting on your knees. Your attack will then be directed toward the true enemy...Satan...and perhaps the man of God will be restored. You are inwebbed by anger and bitterness and perhaps (from the world's standards) rightly so...but it will not far you well in the only true courtroom. I am not a Brunsonian....but I know he was called by God to preach the Word and that being so...Colossians bids us pray for him...Philippians bids us pray for him...Hebrews bids us pray for him. If he has fallen to conceit and greed and perhaps anger (although he has always preached strong) then it is your calling to pray his release from those entanglements of sin and to ready to praise God when Christ completes what good he once bagan.RejoiceintheLordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01618971407988267154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9003435362330141552009-01-12T09:29:00.000-05:002009-01-12T09:29:00.000-05:00Milieu Control (Lifton 101)"Most simply stated, “M...<A HREF="http://undermuchgrace.blogspot.com/2007/11/milieu-control-lifton-101.html" REL="nofollow">Milieu Control (Lifton 101)</A><BR/><BR/><I>"Most simply stated, “Milieu Control” is the control of an environment by controlling the information and activities within the environment. Pertaining to manipulative and closed groups, this involves control of communication and generation of acceptable information to be disseminated among the membership. Ultimately, the group seeks to control the thought environment of individual members, and it is this internal milieu control that produces the isolation from society at large. The cognitive dissonance produced by the incongruent messages received from the outside creates the natural desire to withdraw or filter information that does not coincide with information within the group. It’s too draining and stressful to constantly try to reckon conflicting worldviews, so isolationism seen in closed systems of thought is often a necessary adaptation. Healthy people do filter information, but in closed systems, the group dictates what sources of information are restricted in an effort to maintain compliance and limit dissent.<BR/><BR/>“Love bombing” is a most effective means of recruiting new membership and falls under the category of milieu control. Groups thrive and grow, primarily by their ability to create an ideal environment that members tend to associate with pleasant, safe and nurturing feelings. A utopia can be defined as an ideally perfect place, generally in a social and moral sense. The creation of the idealistic world of rest and special bliss without the cumbersome burdens of life is very seductive. Most people who have participated in such a group and left, despite the heartaches of their experiences, long for a return to the “feeling” that the manipulative group appeared to create for them.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Often, leadership will tell members that their group is the only place where one can find this type of comfort which makes those who enjoy the environment less likely to leave the group.<BR/><BR/>Free exchange of information is tightly controlled by threats of accusation of gossip or "touching not the anointed" leadership in manipulative groups. Another popular phrase that is often used to discourage critical evaluation of legitimate information within Christian churches is the admonishment to refrain from “sewing discord among the brethren.” This is not a blanket command however and would be an inappropriate response to false teaching and error. Perhaps the most dangerous harm to the milieu of a group occurs as a result of drawing leadership into question. This is a taboo in spiritually abusive groups in particular.<BR/><BR/>Stories concocted for the purpose of "damage control" (to prevent membership from thinking critically about events or arguments that might draw the ideology or leadership into question) also fall under this category so that members are fearful or reluctant to fairly consider information produced by dissidents. Information from outside sources is often criticized and discounted to discourage acceptance by group members. Connotation is a powerful tool in the maintenance of milieu control, often aimed at creating the perception that certain types of information are tainted or dangerous. (See “Biblical Modifiers.”) Maintenance of group milieu within a closed system, religious or otherwise, is perhaps the most demanding aspects of thought reform and manipulative systems, but it is a profoundly effective one."</I>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22175588609037680832009-01-12T09:15:00.000-05:002009-01-12T09:15:00.000-05:00Anon.1:0l AM: I also am a Lindsay SR.&JR. &quo...Anon.1:0l AM: I also am a Lindsay SR.&JR. "alma mater". And certainly have the same complaints regarding the current pulpit. I will say these complaints are presented truthfully here, from my prospective. In Dr. Brunsons education, he was not taught,or at least failed to learn the GIFT of humility, and kindness, which I suppose cannot be adopted. One must honestly possess them. However, I will respectfully defend Watchdog here. If WD is "sarcastic" consider that we each react differently to disappointment. Frustration with the church one loves over a long period of time will alter ones attitude and responses. WD, is sarcastic because he is upset and frustrated at the abuses he has listed here. Many of us have "limited patience" in these matters. As you well know what we had in the Lindsay era is so far from what we endure now, that to expect a gentle tolerance is almost impossible. If sarcasam is the only "outlet" one has for this frustration then it is understandable to adopt it. Of course, we having known both Sr. & JR. also know they would handle this current problem in short order. This would not stand in their church, nor would it stand in their pulpit. The honor and integrity of these men are nowhere to be found today. At least not in FBCJ. As has been mentioned before some of these gentlemen served under both Lindsays and many under Lindsay Jr., and in my opinion have "soldout" their own integrity to follow and compromise with the current "office holder."<BR/>I, as they say, "know where you are coming from". Only those who have had the best understand how it is missing now. And the void is painful to see. Thus WD, is certainly an outlet for the frustrations and a help to many who are living through it. And for that he has my thanks. Bless you, and keep looking up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54039338121857473532009-01-12T09:01:00.000-05:002009-01-12T09:01:00.000-05:00Why do certain anons continue to assume the watchd...Why do certain anons continue to assume the watchdog has been accused by the church. There has been no proof of any kind that the watchdog is the person served the trespass warnings. Seems ironic to me that so many pro-Brunson supporters demand "proof" of any thing said about the pastor, yet they don't require ANY proof that the WD is the man accused by the discipline committee. Gullible, weak minded sheep indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64456934037559239912009-01-12T08:54:00.000-05:002009-01-12T08:54:00.000-05:00Sorry you didn't appreciate WD's tone in the past ...Sorry you didn't appreciate WD's tone in the past article...yes, sarcastic. WD doesn't write in that manner mostly, but there's a purpose in it. Mac himself uses an angry, sarcastic, condescending tone often with his audience - the likes of which we've never seen at FBC Jax. And the tone expresses the disdain felt by many over the topic of promotions and nepotism at the church under Team Brunson. This blog has called for Mac to take the "high road" as you have called it - asking him to be open and transparent about the land gift, asking him to apologize for spreading a lie about Sheri Klouda...but no high road. Just more anger.<BR/><BR/>And to 10:21 - THANKS FOR YOUR ASSESSMENT OF MY SPIRITUAL CONDITION. I HOPE YOU'RE NOT A MAC BRUNSON SUPPORTER. WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS VERY CULTIC. IF SOMEONE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP, THEN THAT IS PROOF POSITIVE THEY ARE A LOST SINNER HEADED TO HELL - THAT IS THE STUFF CULTS ARE MADE OF MY FRIEND.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11764414295697174712009-01-12T01:01:00.000-05:002009-01-12T01:01:00.000-05:00Dear Sir, I was raised in FBC and baptised by ...Dear Sir,<BR/> I was raised in FBC and baptised by Homer Lindsay, Sr. If Homer Sr. knew what was going on in his church, he would be spinning in his grave. <BR/> When I came back to Jacksonville, I was amazed and very disappointed in the changes to our church. My biggest complaint is that the service is now a "show". TV cameras, orchestra, etc... I was dismayed that the service has been "dumbed down". I sorely missed the hymnbooks and instead, had to follow the words on a giant screen. I sang in the choir for over ten years. In fact, this is where I learned to sight read music, a skill that I can no longer use when I worship God at FBC. Dr. Brunson's sermons seem to be merely a chance for him to show off his fancy education. I hardly care about <I>extensive</I> history lessons and the etymology of Greek words. By the time he gets back on topic, I have forgotten what he was talking about.<BR/> However, I cannot speak to the abuses outlined by your blog. I have no knowledge of them.<BR/> I certainly feel that you have a right to blog what you wish. A fair and open FBC would/should not fear the truth. I doubt that Homer Sr. OR Jr. would be disturbed by it.<BR/> My <B>MAIN REASON</B> for commenting is your tone.<BR/> I acknowledge that you act in good faith. However, you are <I>extremely</I> sarcastic and sarcasm does not serve ANYONE well. Children do not understand it and adults resent it.<BR/> I respectfully ask that you take the high road here. Yes, I would similarly be outraged by the action of the church to block you from attending YOUR church and threatening to have you removed from the church.<BR/> If what you say is TRUE, then you do not NEED to be sarcastic. State the facts as honestly and unbiased as you can and I think you will be better served.<BR/> Since I have close family that still attends FBC, I reluctantly will sign as anonymous.<BR/> Yours in Christ... anonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61374834861448334812009-01-11T23:13:00.000-05:002009-01-11T23:13:00.000-05:00Anon 10:21. Thanks but no thanks. You do know that...Anon 10:21. Thanks but no thanks. You do know that the church is all born again blood washed individuals don't you? The true church. Just because we may not agree with someone does not make us unsaved. I was saved for many years before I heard of Mac Brunson. Since you do not know us, and you are not God you are not qualified to judge anyones salvation. Have a nice day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22754464409837435872009-01-11T22:21:00.000-05:002009-01-11T22:21:00.000-05:00THIS "SO-CALLED BLOG" IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING AND...THIS "SO-CALLED BLOG" IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING AND A TRAVESTY TO THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF JACKSONVILLE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE TO ATTACK A CHURCH AND MAC BRUNSON?<BR/><BR/>THE ONLY CONCLUSION IS THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES THAT THE CHURCH,PEOPLE,MINISTERS OF FIRST BAPTIST ARE MORE INTERESTED IN MONEY AND PERSONAL GAIN, IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY NOT SAVED. WHILE THOSE THAT KNOW I'M SURE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU TO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY HAVE.MAY THE LORD OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6925135052715317002009-01-11T21:32:00.000-05:002009-01-11T21:32:00.000-05:00Is FBCJ unable to afford property insurance in ord...Is FBCJ unable to afford property insurance in order to repair the building if/when tropical storms blow through? Maybe a fund-raiser to cover the cost of the deductible, instead of millions?<BR/><BR/>Just asking--interested in church administration matters.<BR/><BR/>Also, maybe try some "passive compliments" for the senior pastor, in addition to the "passive criticisms" posted here. You know, shape the man by complimenting him if he even half-way gets something right until he finally gets the whole thing right (I think my wife does this to me . . .)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20224604813853108422009-01-11T20:21:00.000-05:002009-01-11T20:21:00.000-05:00watchdog, where the people who received those "no ...watchdog, where the people who received those "no trespassing" papers from the church ever allowed to see their daughter in the childrens musical? It would be a shame if not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6232912329414496522009-01-11T19:54:00.000-05:002009-01-11T19:54:00.000-05:00Anon 1:02pm 01/11/09....If this mornings sermon wa...Anon 1:02pm 01/11/09....If this mornings sermon was anything like the one I watched on TV 12 this morning then ANYONE WHO WAS NOT THERE DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING!!!!...Anything Mac says rings HOLLOW.it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64070341979849096762009-01-11T13:02:00.000-05:002009-01-11T13:02:00.000-05:00Watchdog,What did you think of the service this mo...Watchdog,<BR/><BR/>What did you think of the service this morning? WAIT.....I forgot, you've been removed. Sorry, my mistake, hehe ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89305157536388033792009-01-11T10:36:00.000-05:002009-01-11T10:36:00.000-05:00I've been a member of First Baptist since 94 but b...I've been a member of First Baptist since 94 but before that I was a member of Trinity Baptist for 30 years so I've grown up listening to preachers yelling and putting people down, but when I came to First Baptist and listened to Dr. Lindsay and Dr. Vines preach, the first thing I learned was that a preacher didn't have to preach for an hour to get their point across and that they don't have to yell for their message to be heard. I use to go to church on Sunday morning and night and Wed. nights because of both the message and the messenger and would take notes in my Bible from both Lindsay and Vines, but now I only go on Sunday mornings and not every Sunday morning. Something is happening to this once mighty church and its people. Its like we are being reprogrammed to think and act differently from the way we were taught all these past years. I use to like Rev. Smyrls sermons when he preached here under Dr. Vines, but something happened to him when he left and came back, his messages were not the same anymore and when he preached on a Wed. night and said at the end of his sermon that a lot of us were concentrating more on him not wearing a tie instead of the sermon thats when I quit going on Wed. nights. Some of you may remember Dr. Brunson telling us when he first came here and had preached a few times that we like him now but lets see how you feel about me in a few years, that right their tells me that he has had this problem before in his other churches. Now I see why Joel Osteen has the largest church in America. If you were a hurting Christian or even a hurting non Christian, who would you want to go hear Brunson or Osteen. We get enough of being yelled at and abused in the world. Under Drs. Lindsay and Vines they always prepared us to go back out in the workplace the following week with a bounce in our step, but now it seems like all we get is a kick in the butt and a slap on the face, no wonder tithing and attendance and morale is down. Wouldn't it be great if we had a pastor like Joel Osteen who encouraged us but preached the word of God like Dr. Lindsay or Dr. Vines. This church would be filled up every Sunday with people ready to charge the gates of hell if need be instead of now leaving the church with their heads tucked between their tails.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52409530574555534182009-01-11T08:20:00.000-05:002009-01-11T08:20:00.000-05:00oc - there is no "children's wing".There is a "pre...oc - there is no "children's wing".<BR/><BR/>There is a "preschool building" that needed a new roof system and it took in significant water from the trop storm that came through here over the summer. With money raised from the special offering after Mac demanded we give $1 million in two weeks else we would go into debt (one of his most "sheep fleecing", arrogant moments), they are fixing the roof and repairing the water damage. The church voted on the project last month.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67670642655422383302009-01-10T23:51:00.000-05:002009-01-10T23:51:00.000-05:00Speaking as one who has already freed himself from...Speaking as one who has already freed himself from FBC Jax and Mac Brunson's preaching, I can say "free, free, thank God I'm free at last."<BR/><BR/>Not easy to leave friends and the comfort of FBC Jax, but to finally be under the preaching of a loving, caring, humble servant pastor it makes all the difference.<BR/><BR/>First Jax, there are so many churches ready to minister to the hurting sheep of Jax. Stay if you want and hope for the best, but consider getting out of your comfort zone and visit another church - just give it a try. There are plenty of conservative, bible believing, bible preaching pastors in this town. You will actually begin to look forward to the sermons knowing you will hear truth, but in LOVE. Less history, more bible. More Jesus. A preacher doesn't have to be mad to preach against sin, and the Holy Spirit can convict when the preacher is loving yet truthful. You don't know what you are missing until you give it a try.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26545215315680509132009-01-10T22:18:00.000-05:002009-01-10T22:18:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73394232244134909782009-01-10T21:45:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:45:00.000-05:00Local authorities? Why would local authorities be ...Local authorities? Why would local authorities be contacted? Again, I never heard that there was mildew...but it was a concern I expressed...if we allowed water intrusion from an aging roof, then did we also have a mildew problem. I doubt it. But at any rate, I suppose its being addressed now. They also needed to replace chillers for the RLA and one other building as well...FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12654797383665725102009-01-10T21:42:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:42:00.000-05:00I never heard of any mildew...but I do know they h...I never heard of any mildew...but I do know they have begun the repairs of the pre-school building roof. Mac wanted us to give $1 million to pay for the facility repairs, and a believe about $200,000 of that was to replace the preschool roof and repair interior water damage. I don't know how much they raised on that Sunday, but it was well short of the $1 million goal. They love to ask us to dig deep, but never keep us updated on how much was given.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18984718605621051792009-01-10T21:36:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:36:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70104484797931252702009-01-10T21:11:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:11:00.000-05:00Hey WD:? Did the repairs and mildew in the childr...Hey WD:? Did the repairs and mildew in the children's area take place, and were the local authorities notified and then inspected for approval for city code violations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90011676324855682092009-01-10T21:07:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:07:00.000-05:00Those wanting to come after me for my comments abo...Those wanting to come after me for my comments about Brunson must track me through Europe, so come on. I do know the Brunsons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54807841394229643102009-01-10T21:05:00.000-05:002009-01-10T21:05:00.000-05:00Those in leadership of FBCJ and the congregation d...Those in leadership of FBCJ and the congregation do not have the backbone to respond the way the folks at Ocala did! The trustees and deacons are weak and limp from bowing to Brunson.<BR/><BR/>Prove me wrong church!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31745016023970176172009-01-10T20:57:00.000-05:002009-01-10T20:57:00.000-05:00As I have said before, its a new day in the SBC......As I have said before, its a new day in the SBC...there is a new breed of pastor, one that has the aire of godliness, but also of arrogance, self-importance, and a love for money and desire for large houses and wealth. A pastor who desires to use the church to promote themselves and their family, a pastor who views the church as a corporation in need of a CEO and a marketing and promotions consultant to decide how to "sell" the direction of the church and how to "raise" revenues...we thought the only danger to our church in a pastoral transition was a "liberal" who would come in with a stool and an open collar shirt and tell us "Jesus is a real cool dude" and would deny biblical inerrancy...but there was another danger that we didn't foresee...a professing conservative (we think) who is abusing the congregation through his arrogance, meanness, anger, nepotims, and quest for brand building and marketing and promotions.<BR/><BR/>You see, when the church developed bylaws to create a church that was "pastor led" many years ago, it never envisioned the likes of a Mac Brunson. That is what makes it so confusing that the trustees allowed the bylaws to be changed to give Mac even MORE power and control over the church than the previous pastors. It really is mind boggling. Thy Peace's quote above from Wade Burleson's blog is a good one...we do these pastors no favors by giving them so much control in the church. It may have worked under previous pastors, but its a disaster under Team Brunson.<BR/><BR/>But here we are...and I dare say that Mac's upcoming $20 million drive this spring is going to be a referendum on his tenure. If he gets his $20 million, he will be dug in for the long term and the Team Brunson era will be launched with full nepotism and satellites all over the city and debt will be incurred. The people of FBC Jax have a chance to send a strong message to Mac and his trustees by not pledging a dime while the abuses continue and his actions the first three years go unexplained...and certainly if people believe in their hearts that Mac is bad for our church and want to see him go, then they should pledge a big fat goose egg to his "Next Generation" initiative. If he can't raise the money, he might, MIGHT just start looking for greener pastures for he and Team Brunson and the A-Group.<BR/><BR/>My guess is he will have just enough support to squeek by, and he will do some serious sheep beating and guilt tripping in the next few months, and he might just get enough to at least fund the school and replace the A/C in the RLA, and fund the satellites in the other parts of Duval County that he desires to do....or he will borrow money and keep us in the dark and will begin the projects anyways.<BR/><BR/>Rise up people of FBC Jax! Just as we couldn't foresee the likes of Mac Brunson, perhaps neither could he foresee a congregation that WOULD stand up for their church, and WOULD NOT stand for the nepotism and the anger and the animus coming forth from the pulpit. Congregations CAN stand up to these pastors...FBC Ocala did it, and we can too.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71708452119346552112009-01-10T20:22:00.000-05:002009-01-10T20:22:00.000-05:00Anon 3:39 Good for you! Amen! Watchdog has done a...Anon 3:39 Good for you! Amen! Watchdog has done a service here that would be impossible to do in the church. As many have stated, if the infractions happening in the church were not so grave, then there would be no need for this blog. These types take over the established churches rather than start their own. They takeover established churches because the "money" is already there and the opportunity to make more money is there. After all it takes a big church to "afford" to pay the preachers salary plus his wife, son, and looks like in the future, the son-in-law. Who knows. This one has been "taken over" because the trustees and deacons have not only allowed it, they have encouraged it. It is a sad day at FBC now. I don't know if this church can come back from this. I think it may take a very long time. We have lost so much, not only the money, but the spirit that was in the church. The mission to get people saved. The concern for their fellow christian. Now every one is watching every one else. It's like being in an occupied country of sort. Every one must be very careful what they say and under no circumstance voice any negative opinion about anything. Negative from their point of view, that is. This is the feeling I get when I think about all of this. We were so blessed for so long, it really makes it difficult now.<BR/> Sooo, many kudos and thanks to Watchdog, for persevering, and allowing us a voice. Thanks WD and blog. on!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31617898839756013282009-01-10T17:34:00.000-05:002009-01-10T17:34:00.000-05:00My pastor in SC has decided against attending the ...My pastor in SC has decided against attending the Pastor's Conference this year for the first time in a number of years. He does not know of this blog, to my knowledge; perhaps the pastor-to-pastor communications have been working more effective than we know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com