tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5311569271330960814..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Crybaby Pastors Part 2: Drying the Eyes With An Alternative Message to Pastors About CriticismFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-65027814566536078022011-05-05T20:08:05.047-04:002011-05-05T20:08:05.047-04:00"The critic" back again ... I forgot to ..."The critic" back again ... I forgot to mention that my problem I think is that I'm an outsider. I didn't grow up here and have only been at the church for a few years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8403778372552210302011-05-05T20:05:47.656-04:002011-05-05T20:05:47.656-04:00Thank you for this column, and thank you, posters,...Thank you for this column, and thank you, posters, for adding to the debate. I'm a "critic," I guess. I work incredibly hard for my church and to serve others. I don't chase credit, and I acknowledge others' contributions (even if they were small or nonexistent). I don't want credit. I don't care. I'm just satisfied if a project is completed well. And I don't care if it's done my way -- I'm always asking for input. I've circulated a survey for anonymous feedback to see how my performance was. I'm a volunteer, with no guidance, trying to do my best at the church. But I'm also a critic. I suggest projects I'm willing to start to help the community -- ignored. I ask why we feed ourselves in the hall instead of people who are hungry -- ignored. I try to engage others to serve -- as it's an important part of Christian service (and honestly I could use the help) -- no one cares. And the people I serve with, I learned from an upset member, would like to see me fail. It's sad. But I'm trying to hang in there and complete some projects I think will help. But some are so intensely rude. I just want to withdraw. I don't think the pastor loves these people -- he told me they were dumb sheep when I asked what the vision was for the hall. Sad. But I'm the bad guy ... I'm the critic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8422613985199641002011-03-05T19:57:02.762-05:002011-03-05T19:57:02.762-05:00So then, 'Anonymous', as you are here prov...So then, 'Anonymous', as you are here providing criticism, I guess we should pay no attention to what you say either for it is of -- as you say 'little value'.<br /><br />Oh, how I love self-defeating statements... Sigh...<br /><br />March 5, 2011 2:05 PM<br /><br />Tee Hee. <br /><br />Of course s/he does not care what you think which is why s/he comments here! (wink)<br /><br />Not a lot of critical thinking among the pew sitters who follow men. The men do the thinking for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46498760545108604512011-03-05T16:19:58.282-05:002011-03-05T16:19:58.282-05:00"So then, 'Anonymous', as you are her..."So then, 'Anonymous', as you are here providing criticism, I guess we should pay no attention to what you say either for it is of -- as you say 'little value'."<br /><br />Don't really care whether you pay attention to me or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87130257282602509862011-03-05T14:05:47.901-05:002011-03-05T14:05:47.901-05:00@Anonymous said, "Critics are just critics. L...<b>@Anonymous said</b>, "Critics are just critics. Little value to be found in them. Though, you can always count on a good headache from them."<br /><br />So then, <b>'Anonymous'</b>, as you are here providing criticism, <b>I guess we should pay no attention to what you say either for it is of -- as you say 'little value'</b>.<br /><br />Oh, how I love self-defeating statements... Sigh...NYTNhttp://www.youtube.com/notyourtypicalnegronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61501806681661630592011-03-05T11:47:18.316-05:002011-03-05T11:47:18.316-05:00Critics are just critics. Little value to be found...Critics are just critics. Little value to be found in them. Though, you can always count on a good headache from them.<br /><br />March 4, 2011 5:51 PM<br /><br />Like Martin Luther, Felix Mann, Conrad Greabel and all the other critics....<br /><br />The religious leaders said the same thing about them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12460680515732489852011-03-05T11:46:07.368-05:002011-03-05T11:46:07.368-05:00Critics are just critics. Little value to be found...Critics are just critics. Little value to be found in them. Though, you can always count on a good headache from them.<br /><br />March 4, 2011 5:51 PM<br /><br />Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Like John Adams, Sam Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock.<br /><br />The king said the same about all of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21729087284143977442011-03-04T18:31:07.723-05:002011-03-04T18:31:07.723-05:00Think about this whole theme...
"Cry Baby Pas...Think about this whole theme...<br />"Cry Baby Pastors"?<br /><br />Why does this bother so many Christ followers?<br /><br />Because the biggest crybaby in Jax is calling Pastors Crybabies!!<br /><br />What in the wide world of sports is going on here???<br /><br />Mac is not a crybaby...He is a hero to so many of us!<br /><br />Because Mac is like Jesus....they both kicked people out of the temple!!Slow to speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112253493029220293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86132623099358058202011-03-04T17:51:58.412-05:002011-03-04T17:51:58.412-05:00Critics are just critics. Little value to be foun...Critics are just critics. Little value to be found in them. Though, you can always count on a good headache from them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40495482271727095982011-03-04T16:50:06.757-05:002011-03-04T16:50:06.757-05:00"Ignoring critics is a good idea..."
So..."Ignoring critics is a good idea..."<br /><br />Some critics are more useful than others, true, but is there any worse advice you could give to anyone in a leadership role?VinnyVideohttp://www.mfgg.net/?act=user¶m=01&uid=7546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69287253139639090242011-03-04T16:15:19.023-05:002011-03-04T16:15:19.023-05:00am saddened by a "pastor" who dispenses ...am saddened by a "pastor" who dispenses advice with ZERO Biblical references. Does anyone else find it surprising that his wisdom has absolutely no Biblical moorings? "<br /><br />The scriptures do not tell me I cannot hire my sister in a job. It does not tell me TO hire her in a job. <br /><br />However, AS a believer, I do have to look at how it will affect other people or whether it is fair to others who want the job and what the long term effects might be.<br /><br />Scritpure says to abstain from any appearance of evil. It says not to show favoritism. I must take into considertion those who are paying my salary and how it will effect them to show such favoritism.<br /><br />In Rainers case, it is very hard to get published...especially for those young with minimal experience. Daddy made sure they got a good start using his position paid for by the SBC. He took advantage. <br /><br />We could also point out he was not wise.<br /><br />If you read Mary Branson's Book, you will see this sort of thing goes on all the time in the SBC. People even taking royalties while working as an employee of an entity and writing on company time.<br /><br />I think your asking for specific scripture shows how little you know it. Perhaps you are looking for the letter of the law to excuse such things instead of the spirit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42763511113713354112011-03-04T13:37:27.744-05:002011-03-04T13:37:27.744-05:00No, we don’t actually attack pastors. It’s more l...No, we don’t actually attack pastors. It’s more like what Dr. Rogers used to say, “I’m just shootin’ down a barrel, don’t blame me if you’re down in it because you got there yourself and if you’re not in it then what I say does not apply to you. Amen.”WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27276236708020801182011-03-04T12:27:13.988-05:002011-03-04T12:27:13.988-05:00I was referring to Tim Rogers from North Carolina ...I was referring to Tim Rogers from North Carolina when I wrote that...<br /><br />I am saddened by a "pastor" who dispenses advice with ZERO Biblical references. Does anyone else find it surprising that his wisdom has absolutely no Biblical moorings? <br /><br />Talking about a man just sharing his opinions! (I Cor 2:4, I Cor 2:13)<br /><br />AJAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6660199636443985612011-03-04T11:53:59.196-05:002011-03-04T11:53:59.196-05:00HaHa. We attack mega pastors and now we attack you...HaHa. We attack mega pastors and now we attack young pastors. It never ends. So when did it become necessary for a "young pastor" to work in the real world in order to be qualified to pastor. It's hilarious how far some of you reach to discredit pastors.<br /><br />March 3, 2011 7:56 PM<br /><br />Logic 101<br /><br /><br />How can a pastor presume to teach others how to live as a Christian in the real world when they don't?<br /><br />I remember one mega church pastor who told the elders he needed a big raise because his wife was expecting another child. He literally thought that is how it worked. He had NO clue how it worked for real people in real jobs. They simply made do with less. He did not understand that concept. The church was to 'take care of him'.<br /><br />There is not much a guy like that can teach me about living in the real world as a believer. He has NO experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67892233053378157552011-03-04T10:47:44.803-05:002011-03-04T10:47:44.803-05:00I have to disagree with the idea that these are Ma...I have to disagree with the idea that these are Mafia tactics. It’s worse! The Mafia operates outside of the law. This is more in line with Gestapo or KGB because it involved the Police. You know the people who are suppose to “serve and protect.” <br />This was an especially egress abuse of power and an out an out violation of everyone civil rights.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48068385587841058182011-03-04T09:38:53.565-05:002011-03-04T09:38:53.565-05:00This is BIG suggestion for you Mac Brunson ...
Do...This is BIG suggestion for you Mac Brunson ...<br /><br /><a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2008/11/did-you-make-list.html?showComment=1228418880000#c4908117888037978619" rel="nofollow">Do NOT video tape your comments</a> and upload/inject them to a viewer as they were watching a live service of FBC Jax Church service, who only once commented on this blog.<br /><br />That is in VERY POOR taste for you and FBC Jax.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73553808452290649262011-03-04T09:00:35.615-05:002011-03-04T09:00:35.615-05:00Here is the link to NYTN's video blog post abo...<a href="http://bit.ly/gR1cHZ" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the link to NYTN's video blog post about FBC Jax and the blogger case.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2306977401233772802011-03-04T08:37:29.958-05:002011-03-04T08:37:29.958-05:00You know FBX JAX Watchdog, I was reviewing your st...You know FBX JAX Watchdog, I was reviewing your story and I was just fell over in my chair when I discovered when a trespass warning letter was hand-delivered to your home by your old Sunday School teacher.<br /><br />Man -- that's low...<br /><br />All of this could have been avoided if they had simply practiced what they preached.<br /><br />I know it's easy to say "Well, if I was the pastor, I'd...", because in many ways it's not an easy job. However, if I were the pastor and found out your identity, my first thought would be to try and meet and talk with you man-to-man.<br /><br />But instead, <b>they came out against you like the MAFIA</b>, saying "We know who you are!", slandering you publicly, kicking your wife AND the the children out, and just dealing with you and your family in the harshest fashion possible. NOT for the sake of proper discipline and "biblical reconciliation" as they call it -- but to make a STATEMENT. And that is, you don't QUESTION the deacons and pastor of FBC Jax. And if you do, you will be dealt with severely.<br /><br />I know it has been some time since this all happened, but I still find this all freshly despicable.<br /><br /><br /><b>A Lesson In CHURCH MAFIA TACTICS Featuring MAC BRUNSON of FBC JAX</b><br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m75UrIXLgcNYTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15787077208785930617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90794123841368800452011-03-03T22:52:35.014-05:002011-03-03T22:52:35.014-05:00Lots of jobs are the "hardest job ever"-...Lots of jobs are the "hardest job ever"--especially if a guy thinks he has to do it all alone OR that he's the smartest guy in the building.<br /><br />Used to be a senior pastor (most recently: associate pastor--now without a job since senior pastor engineered lay-off due to "economics," but actually his having no vision or clue for growing the church during the past 3 years--ask the other staff members . . .). Among other maladies, senior pastors get "preacher speak"--think they have to have an answer for every question/situation in life, and hopefully from the Bible. A most freeing thing: saying nothing, having no opinion which must be shared, being able to say "I don't know--what do you think?"<br /><br />People who can write a book every month, either make everybody happy or everybody mad but live with it, easily go where nobody's ever gone before (i.e., church growth, in the case of most SBC congregations during the 21st century), and be honest all the time probably think being a senior pastor isn't hard. Senior pastors can be lying, people-pleasing cheaters who hole-up in their studies or homes to write average-or-below sermonettes (preached to Christianettes) or finish DMins in "Pastoral Leadership" (whatever THAT is today!) but otherwise can't serve their ways out of wet paper sacks. Or they can grow up like the rest of us are trying to do. Nobody's perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52192169012188319472011-03-03T20:21:21.564-05:002011-03-03T20:21:21.564-05:00I read it is difficult being a pastor. Question, w...I read it is difficult being a pastor. Question, why is it difficult being a pastor. Is it because trying to maintain a certain life style takes so much energy. Is it because they are receiving their marching orders from the SBC. Is it because pockets of rioters invade private property. Or is it because the pastors are not following god with the peace in their hart but only hatred. Get saved!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5393245056545418282011-03-03T20:06:57.872-05:002011-03-03T20:06:57.872-05:0010. Consider "criticism" as "qualit...10. Consider "criticism" as "quality control statements," realizing that you really aren't the smartest person in the building and truly need the "collective IQ" in order to build the membership into the ministry team you believe from the Bible that God expects.<br /><br />There are 100 guys who will come and lead the church of any senior pastor reading this blog now--and they'd do it for half as much money and provide twice as much fun for the people.<br /><br />Lighten up, get on the ball, ask the people "What do you think we ought to do together to reach our community for Christ?"--and stop belly-aching! Be glad God gave you a job and keeps you in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3112875121015680662011-03-03T19:56:12.141-05:002011-03-03T19:56:12.141-05:00Anon 5:56 said,
"And the majority of Pastors ...Anon 5:56 said,<br />"And the majority of Pastors have no clue what it's like to work in the Corporate world - most all of the young preachers these days have gone to Christian schools & colleges, and never been exposed to the real world! These young pastors work in a very protected environment, especially those whose big daddy is their boss."<br /><br />HaHa. We attack mega pastors and now we attack young pastors. It never ends. So when did it become necessary for a "young pastor" to work in the real world in order to be qualified to pastor. It's hilarious how far some of you reach to discredit pastors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24099133680491241802011-03-03T17:58:41.703-05:002011-03-03T17:58:41.703-05:00"Allow those who disagree with you to post on..."Allow those who disagree with you to post on your blog. Don't delete their comments prevent them from posting when they discredit you."<br /><br />Interesting. The celebrity charlatans either moderate heavily or don't allow comments at all.<br /><br />They simply do not allow dissent or questioning.<br /><br />Guess having a title works. You know, Dog, you should get an M.Div, then the Mac worshipers would have to shut up since you would then be automatically "anointed". :o)<br /><br />You could also demand a tithe for your income.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44621897663196254382011-03-03T17:56:24.762-05:002011-03-03T17:56:24.762-05:00"As usual, Wd has no clue about what pastorin..."As usual, Wd has no clue about what pastoring involves and requires. Wd, you wouldn't last 5 minutes as a pastor.<br /><br />March 3, 2011 1:40 PM<br /><br /><br />And the majority of Pastors have no clue what it's like to work in the Corporate world - most all of the young preachers these days have gone to Christian schools & colleges, and never been exposed to the real world! These young pastors work in a very protected environment, especially those whose big daddy is their boss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53305884808691460312011-03-03T17:55:07.511-05:002011-03-03T17:55:07.511-05:00"I am saddened by a "pastor" who di..."I am saddened by a "pastor" who dispenses advice with ZERO Biblical references. Does anyone else find it surprising that his wisdom has absolutely no Biblical moorings?" <br /><br />Not to mention the nepotism at Lifeway. Since Daddy is the boss, the boys get published. <br /><br />Tacky, Thom. And a bit too obvious. But when it is the SBC, it is the norm.<br /><br />Your tithe dollars at work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com