tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post5567168836884123728..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "Twas the Sunday Before Christmas" - A 2010 RemixFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31770862458140758012010-12-27T16:31:33.993-05:002010-12-27T16:31:33.993-05:00" And one cannot follow Christ and hang with ..." And one cannot follow Christ and hang with Mac."<br /><br />Unless, of course, Christ lived in a million dollar mansion in a gated community, drove fine luxury cars, took expensive European vacations, and ignored the homeless, who are literally at the steps of the FBC Jax church building.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49734153520854916342010-12-27T16:17:25.309-05:002010-12-27T16:17:25.309-05:00So let me get this straight.......In order to be o...So let me get this straight.......In order to be obedient to God I must always remain at FBC Jax, and give 10% of my gross earnings to Mac Brunson, er God , ( undesignated of course) .<br /><br />Two points here. If I give a meal or shelter, or even a cup of cold water to a homeless person, Jesus said I have done it as unto Him. Why give through Mac or any other "middleman" who will skim off the top and then give what little is leftover to needy folks ?? Seems like good old-fashioned common sense.<br /><br />Second point. Were the Revs. Doug Pigg, Calvin Carr, Bob Barton, and Rodney Brooks disobedient to God for leaving FBC Jax after Mac Brunson arrived? I think not.Long Time FBC Jax Membernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89096852536028359532010-12-27T13:56:53.484-05:002010-12-27T13:56:53.484-05:00" I read and read this blog, and I have yet t..." I read and read this blog, and I have yet to determine exactly what the Watchdog plans to get out of it. You can post the "truth" all day long, however, what has it done? The guy who is subject to the criticism found on this blog is still at the pulpit."<br /><br />Read Acts 20. And it won't stop until Christ comes back. But that is no reason not to warn others of wolves. Paul did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79679847547415884792010-12-27T11:28:12.838-05:002010-12-27T11:28:12.838-05:00"That is exactly what Mac and our Church is d..."That is exactly what Mac and our Church is doing!<br />We are not looking back at those who left out of disobedience to God.<br />"<br /><br />Now, that is some scary abherrent teaching! If you leave FBCJax...one is being disobedient to God?<br /><br />I think just the opposite is true. because we are NEVER to follow a mere human. Only Christ. And one cannot follow Christ and hang with Mac.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79154696951301329062010-12-27T11:25:00.599-05:002010-12-27T11:25:00.599-05:00"Anon- This is my hope as well. However, I do..."Anon- This is my hope as well. However, I doubt that the information presented on this blog will help to bring that to pass. I for one, would like to see Tom post some POSITIVE Christian information on this page for a change. Perhaps just one blog post, but, given the number of folks that read this, it stands to reason that there are numerous individuals who have not yet accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior who could use positive information about the faith."<br /><br />Funny thing is they already know about the evil within our paid professional Christian caste system. Sweeping the evil under the rug does not work. You want to present the fake Christianity that has been around so long. There are many of us who are saying "no longer". If Christians won't admit the evil in their midst. Who will?<br /><br />In fact, they wonder why so many pew sitters are so naive as to actually follow guys like that who are on the gravy train. Contrast a guy like Brunson with the REAL Jesus. Trust me, they see right through it. Unless of course you are marketing the health and wealth Jesus which is a lie from the pit of hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37412437252626494862010-12-27T09:54:37.423-05:002010-12-27T09:54:37.423-05:00Jesus said..."Put you hand to the plow and do...Jesus said..."Put you hand to the plow and don't look back."<br />That is exactly what Mac and our Church is doing!<br />We are not looking back at those who left out of disobedience to God.<br />We are not looking back at the naysayers and grumblers.<br />We are not looking back at those who hold their money and don't give God his 10%.<br />We are not looking back at the Gossip and Garbage written about our Church and our Leader.<br /><br />WE ARE NOT LOOKING BACK....ARE YOU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27409212817573119142010-12-26T19:04:09.165-05:002010-12-26T19:04:09.165-05:00I have been acquainted with the Reverend Dr. Mac B...I have been acquainted with the Reverend Dr. Mac Brunson since the early 80's when he was pastor of the Green Street Baptist Church in High Point, NC. He was, then, an egotistical, self-serving, control oriented individual. It appears nothing has changed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85016688522459348282010-12-26T14:53:06.580-05:002010-12-26T14:53:06.580-05:00"My hope is that more will pray to have their..."My hope is that more will pray to have their 'filters' removed (veil as like Moses) and study scripture on their own. Meet the Real Jesus. Not the one Mac presents for his own advantage."<br /><br />Anon- This is my hope as well. However, I doubt that the information presented on this blog will help to bring that to pass. I for one, would like to see Tom post some POSITIVE Christian information on this page for a change. Perhaps just one blog post, but, given the number of folks that read this, it stands to reason that there are numerous individuals who have not yet accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior who could use positive information about the faith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49087357527271498542010-12-26T14:49:52.127-05:002010-12-26T14:49:52.127-05:00"Funny this. Mac's ego is not big? He is ..."Funny this. Mac's ego is not big? He is just a poor humble mega church pastor who beats the sheep for more money. Not to mention called Tom a sociopath to a reporter. This is a man who would ruin people to keep his gravy train in tact. Too bad you want to follow him instead of Christ."<br /><br />"Not to mention called Tom a sociopath to a reporter." Wow. I guess Tom has not made ANY derogatory statements about Mac Brunson, or Mac Brunson's family, or others involved in the fiasco over the past few years, has he? No, I guess he hasn't said ANYTHING that could even top being called a sociopath by Brunson. While I'm not by any stretch a Brunson supporter, I think if we are attempting to be fair and impartial here, we need to look at this blog (as well as the leadership at FBC) from every possible angle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51374091413501010522010-12-26T13:22:43.858-05:002010-12-26T13:22:43.858-05:00"Fellow readers, there are a TON of churches ..."Fellow readers, there are a TON of churches of all denominations available in Jacksonville. If you're not happy with the way things are operated at this particular church, why stay? "<br /><br />Many on this blog have left. It is a duty to warn of the abherrent teaching and wolf behavior. Some people think it is normal because guys with titles behind pulpits told them.<br /><br />My hope is that more will pray to have their 'filters' removed (veil as like Moses) and study scripture on their own. Meet the Real Jesus. Not the one Mac presents for his own advantage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53469229758400943802010-12-26T12:24:38.625-05:002010-12-26T12:24:38.625-05:00"The Watchdog has the right to publish these ..."The Watchdog has the right to publish these posts, however, at some point, he will move on, and then you will be left with having to find out information for yourselves, using your own judgment, as opposed to the one-sided argument presented by someone who now, although not of his own hand, is not an attendee of the church he discusses. I read and read this blog, and I have yet to determine exactly what the Watchdog plans to get out of it. You can post the "truth" all day long, however, what has it done? The guy who is subject to the criticism found on this blog is still at the pulpit. The church still runs the same way it did before Tom Rich began this blog, and will likely continue to run the same way for years to come."<br /><br />If one person runs away from the idolatry of FBCJax and into the arms of Christ, Who had no where to lay His head, then ONE is saved from the materialistic mega monstrosities that are man centered. It is worth that ONE person.<br /><br />You are looking at things from a worldly position. You do not know any better because that is what you have been taught. Success is about numbers, power and position. So unless Mac is removed or the church dies, according to you, this blog is a failure. According to your logic, the Cross was a failure because not everyone is saved.<br /><br />But then Mac did not think it was a failure a few years back, did he? He went to great lengths to do something about it....underhanded, of course. Then he tried to impugn Tom's reputation by calling him a sociopath to a reporter. <br /><br />What amazes me is that anyone can call themselves believers and follow such a man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13601485623522625212010-12-26T12:18:36.576-05:002010-12-26T12:18:36.576-05:00Mr. Rich has an ego big enough for ten bloggers- l...Mr. Rich has an ego big enough for ten bloggers- lets not inflate it anymore than is necessary.<br /><br />December 25, 2010 9:50 PM<br /><br />Funny this. Mac's ego is not big? He is just a poor humble mega church pastor who beats the sheep for more money. Not to mention called Tom a sociopath to a reporter. This is a man who would ruin people to keep his gravy train in tact. Too bad you want to follow him instead of Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38187759831221159092010-12-26T03:14:03.569-05:002010-12-26T03:14:03.569-05:00"he will move on, and then you will be left w..."he will move on, and then you will be left with having to find out information for yourselves,"<br /><br />For those who do wrong in church leadership, I'm sure they do love the old system where most people-even those in the actual church-have no clue what goes on behind the scenes.<br /><br />But now we have the internet, so it's a little harder to hide things. Those who say they live their lives by the Word of God should ponder that verse about people who love darkness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17117015056274557182010-12-25T22:20:07.982-05:002010-12-25T22:20:07.982-05:00The Watchdog has the right to publish these posts,...The Watchdog has the right to publish these posts, however, at some point, he will move on, and then you will be left with having to find out information for yourselves, using your own judgment, as opposed to the one-sided argument presented by someone who now, although not of his own hand, is not an attendee of the church he discusses. I read and read this blog, and I have yet to determine exactly what the Watchdog plans to get out of it. You can post the "truth" all day long, however, what has it done? The guy who is subject to the criticism found on this blog is still at the pulpit. The church still runs the same way it did before Tom Rich began this blog, and will likely continue to run the same way for years to come. <br /><br />Fellow readers, there are a TON of churches of all denominations available in Jacksonville. If you're not happy with the way things are operated at this particular church, why stay? It seems as though a great deal of folks go to FBC to use it as a status symbol instead of as a physical location at which to fellowship with a body of believers anyway. Instead of coming on here and doing nothing to better the situation, do something about it. Your spiritual health is seriously in question if you continue to attend a church that you disagree with. I post this not to argue with the Watchdog, but, to present my own concerns regarding the entire situation. Therefore, there's no need for his "supporters" to shred my opinions, for that is all they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53353244349952256142010-12-25T22:18:46.331-05:002010-12-25T22:18:46.331-05:00FBC JAX has been in existence since 1838. That'...FBC JAX has been in existence since 1838. That's 172 years of spreading the Word of God to the citizenry of Jacksonville. Those of you who support the "truth" provided by Tom Rich via this blog do so as blindly as those who he faults for following the teaching of Mac Brunson. While none of us were alive for the entire history of this church, it is likely that there have been other church leaders that conducted business much in the same way as Brunson. While it has not always existed as a "mega church" it has developed into that over time, and the fact that Brunson is a "mega church pastor" is at the crux of the Watchdog's "monitoring" here. While Brunson may have his faults, like all of us, he too is a sinner, and will be judged as we are all judged by God Himself. <br /><br />The Watchdog has the right to publish these posts, however, at some point, he will move on, and then you will be left with having to find out information for yourselves, using your own judgment, as opposed to the one-sided argument presented by someone who now, although not of his own hand, is not an attendee of the church he criticizes. I read and read this blog, and I have yet to determine exactly what the Watchdog plans to get out of it. You can post the "truth" all day long, however, what has it done? The guy who is subject to the criticism found on this blog is still at the pulpit. The church still runs the same way it did before Tom Rich began this blog, and will likely continue to run the same way for years to come. <br /><br />There are a TON of churches of all denominations available in Jacksonville. If you're not happy with the way things are operated at this particular church, why stay? It seems as though a great deal of folks go to FBC to use it as a status symbol instead of as a physical location at which to fellowship with a body of believers anyway. Instead of coming on here and doing nothing to better the situation, do something about it. Your spiritual health is seriously in question if you continue to attend a church that you disagree with. I post this not to argue with the Watchdog, but, to present my own concerns regarding the entire situation. Therefore, there's no need for his "supporters" to shred my opinions, for that is all they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20546009567670707282010-12-25T21:50:08.376-05:002010-12-25T21:50:08.376-05:00Remember you are a messenger with a message that &...Remember you are a messenger with a message that "they" do NOT want to hear and one that "they" want shut down because it is the truth.<br /><br />We do care!<br /><br />December 25, 2010 11:51 AM<br /><br />A messenger? A messenger from whom? If you believe that the information presented in this blog is 100% truthful and not spun to the benefit of the Watchdog, you clearly see the world through the same rose colored glasses Tom would have you believe the FBC "sheep" see through when looking at Brunson. Mr. Rich has an ego big enough for ten bloggers- lets not inflate it anymore than is necessary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56228684255495498562010-12-25T21:28:03.996-05:002010-12-25T21:28:03.996-05:00To ANON December 25, 2010 4:00 PM;
Sorry but the ...To ANON December 25, 2010 4:00 PM;<br /><br />Sorry but the word is out on MAC and NO One will hire him especially with his salary and comp plan.<br /><br />FBC JAX is stuck with him.<br /><br />To bad he does not have a connection with our Christ and Lord.<br /><br />I wonder if he or those like him would ever consider a small 100 members church if the Lord directed him or lead him to one.<br /><br />Naah, forget about any wonders, there first question is "how much is the pay"? when it should be "wherever he leads, I will follow"....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34890118135727083272010-12-25T16:00:02.032-05:002010-12-25T16:00:02.032-05:00Some anonymous Mac follower said:
'Waaaaaaahh...Some anonymous Mac follower said:<br /><br />'Waaaaaaahhhhh.... cry me a river. This pales in comparison to the garbage Tom Rich has posted on this blog that is no better that a checkout lane tabloid'<br /><br />Once again, these people, just like the political liberals, who use their feelings to get through life and avoid actual facts.<br /><br />I have not seen any tabloid trash here. Can you provide examples?<br /><br />Your boy 'Mac-the-knife', has clearly demonstrated junior high level leadership in this whole matter. Mac can be a funny guy, I love the video of him on a horse with his cowboy hat talking about VBS. <br /><br />Credibility FAIL, both in his get-up and his conduct. TIme for a change in leadership. And right about now would be a good thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70061384386230198182010-12-25T11:51:13.993-05:002010-12-25T11:51:13.993-05:00“Woe be unto the Pastors that destroy and scatter ...“Woe be unto the Pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord. Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.” (Jeremiah 23:1-2)<br /><br />Thanks WD and Merry Christmas.<br /><br />Remember you are a messenger with a message that "they" do NOT want to hear and one that "they" want shut down because it is the truth.<br /><br />We do care!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14362498266427629892010-12-24T15:28:35.495-05:002010-12-24T15:28:35.495-05:00"I hope that he has some money stashed away b..."I hope that he has some money stashed away because I'm fairly sure he will need it to pay damages, pain and suffering."<br /><br />What is the "pain and suffering" that Tom Rich has experienced? He published an anonymous blog wherein he was critical of all aspects of Pastor Brunson's work at FBC JAX. He was outed, and now has to stand behind the comments he makes. Since it has not stopped him from continuing to share his thoughts, does he really need more financial benefits from this? If he truly wants to serve as a watchdog, he will continue to do so without seeking "damages."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3279033024827234262010-12-24T15:24:03.621-05:002010-12-24T15:24:03.621-05:00"He was so hurt he called him a sociopath to ..."He was so hurt he called him a sociopath to a reporter so it would get in the paper?"<br /><br />Waaaaaaahhhhh.... cry me a river. This pales in comparison to the garbage Tom Rich has posted on this blog that is no better that a checkout lane tabloid. Anon- are you an actual supporter, or are you kin to Rich himself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80163674855629517162010-12-24T13:31:08.896-05:002010-12-24T13:31:08.896-05:00Anon 11:52
You want Tom to cease and desist??
...Anon 11:52<br /><br />You want Tom to cease and desist?? <br /><br />You know what I want? I want abusive Pastors to stop manipulating their congregations with threatening language, name calling, demeaning and just flat out false doctrine.<br /><br />Jesus had no difficulty at all taking on the church leaders of the day, for their smug know-it-all attitudes and complete lack of love. <br /><br />I'm not comparing WD to Jesus. But Jesus set an example for us to follow and it appears to me that WD is doing his best to follow.<br /><br />If Mac is hurt, then let him examine his own heart, the scriptures and deal with the result. He brought this upon himself. He behaved like a petulant child and a bully all at the same time. But he didn't stop there. It seems he may have actually used his Pastoral relationship with the Deacons and the Discipline Committee to break the law. That's reprehensible. I hope that he has some money stashed away because I'm fairly sure he will need it to pay damages, pain and suffering. <br /><br />He has not behaved as a man of God. Neither did Soud or Hinson. <br /><br />By all means encourage your Pastor to change his ways. <br /><br />I join WishIhadknown in saying I've never seen anyone annointed by God in any real sense of the word. <br /><br />If we did things your way, we'd all still be worshipping statues, believing in Purgatory and paying Indulgences. There is a place for disagreement and it seems people never learn the correct way to deal with it. It leaves people with few options. <br /><br />I'm so thankful to WD for taking a stand.<br /><br />I'm sure Pastor Mac will appreciate you running to his rescue.Katienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87579931116231061572010-12-24T11:24:50.100-05:002010-12-24T11:24:50.100-05:00"My Pastor has been hurt this year. His heart..."My Pastor has been hurt this year. His heart is broken over one of his sheep going astray."<br /><br />He was so hurt he called him a sociopath to a reporter so it would get in the paper? <br /><br />Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Strange way for a broken heart of a trained pastor to behave. <br /><br />You seem to follow a pastor instead of Christ. Perhaps you think it is the same thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63587624373983980372010-12-24T10:23:22.713-05:002010-12-24T10:23:22.713-05:00“My Pastor has been hurt this year. His heart is ...“My Pastor has been hurt this year. His heart is broken over one of his sheep going astray.”<br /><br />What about the thousands of broken hearts that he has caused for no other reason than to strengthen his grip on the church he supposedly leads. Why can you not see he is using these controversies to create loyalty to himself? <br /><br />“It's time to make peace.”<br /><br />That is right so why does your pastor not work for the peace you ask for. Either party is just as free as the other to work for the “peace” you demand! Did you ever think your preacher actually seek this kind of controversy? Your preacher does not want “peace.” Your preacher actually wants this so that he can strengthen his position by reinforce loyalty to himself. It amazes me how it always about the preacher with you people and never ever about the thousands of your brothers and sisters who have had their hearts broken by this man! <br /><br />“ITS TIME TO GROW UP!!!!!!”<br /><br />True, so why do you not? Why do you have to have a man to tell you what to think and do? Why do you so vehemently support a man who is becoming very wealthy by virtue of his position?WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41093644381085218692010-12-24T00:05:11.955-05:002010-12-24T00:05:11.955-05:00“..to those who want to hurt our Church.”
Weird s...“..to those who want to hurt our Church.”<br /><br />Weird since you and ones like you are dividing churches all across America. <br /><br />“..to those intent on destroying the image of our Pastor”<br /><br />He is doing a fine of job of that all by himself.<br /><br />“..to the ones that cast stones and throw mud at God's anointed Leaders.” (spelling corrected)<br /><br />Casting stones, is that not what the preacher does from the pulpit when anyone dares question him? As far as God anointing leaders, has anyone ever witnessed God anoint a leader? I know I have not.<br /><br />“..you will have repentance and sorrow over the harm you are causing.”<br /><br />Exactly! Why do you not open your eyes and see the harm that you and others like you are causing. Heart ache, sorrow and division are happening all across America as a result of this revisionist preaching from wealthy preacher.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.com