tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6050968863964735544..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "President Caner" Makes First "Cabinet Appointment": Peter Lumpkins, the New BP "Baghdad Bob"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15946344393528875082016-11-07T09:42:23.215-05:002016-11-07T09:42:23.215-05:00Lumpkins is a nut. Even most Traditionalists diso...<br />Lumpkins is a nut. Even most Traditionalists disown him. Let him spin divisions in the corners of his own little warped world. He's still got synchophants like Shaver and Caner to cover for him.<br /><br />JD.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22022746349065146462014-02-12T11:58:02.541-05:002014-02-12T11:58:02.541-05:00JAX,
The catalyst for the sparring going on in th...JAX,<br /><br />The catalyst for the sparring going on in the SBC is differing Doctrines.<br /><br />Being a first time visitor I can almost bet this blog has Calvinist leanings and knowing Lumpkins isn't a Calvinist and him defending Caner a non-Calvinist, Lumkins has to be wrong. The same goes with CB Scott.<br /><br />Watching Phelps and JD Hall openly gloating that Rev. Graham and Caner not having salvation acting unconcerned about their destiny and then you referring to Caner's "Cabinet" is degrading.<br /><br />SBC Preachers and Bloggings who profess the Gospel but have differing Doctrines are acting like advasaries that "Hate" each other instead of brothers and sisters that "Love" each other. And maybe some do hate each other. (their salvation in question)<br /><br />If we don't start practing 1 Corinthians 13:13 we won't have to worry about James White, Joel Osteen, Mark Driscoll, JD Hall, Phelps, Lumpkins, Caner, Adrian Rodgers, Rev. Graham or Mohler's doctrines or their final destination we will have our own soul to worry about. <br /><br />Blessings<br />MarkMarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52333797831274184692014-02-12T11:53:54.048-05:002014-02-12T11:53:54.048-05:00JAX,
The catalyst for the sparring going on in th...JAX,<br /><br />The catalyst for the sparring going on in the SBC is differing Doctrines.<br /><br />Being a first time visitor I can almost bet this blog has Calvinist leanings and knowing Lumpkins isn't a Calvinist and him defending Caner a non-Calvinist, Lumkins has to be wrong. The same goes with CB Scott.<br /><br />Watching Phelps and JD Hall openly gloating that Rev. Graham and Caner not having salvation acting unconcerned about their destiny and then you referring to Caner's "Cabinet" is degrading.<br /><br />SBC Preachers and Bloggings who profess the Gospel but have differing Doctrines are acting like advasaries that "Hate" each other instead of brothers and sisters that "Love" each other. And maybe some do hate each other. (their salvation in question)<br /><br />If we don't start practing 1 Corinthians 13:13 we won't have to worry about James White, Joel Osteen, Mark Driscoll, JD Hall, Phelps, Lumpkins, Caner, Adrian Rodgers, Rev. Graham or Mohler's doctrines or their final destination we will have our own soul to worry about. <br /><br />Blessings<br />Mark Mr. Inflationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03469361613439713660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58888193258990438432014-01-30T12:38:44.529-05:002014-01-30T12:38:44.529-05:00"People, and even most Christians don't c..."People, and even most Christians don't care about sin or integrity anymore."<br /><br />"Today's motto-until it happens to me and my family, who cares? This selfish attitude has infected every denomination across the country."<br /><br />I agree with everything you wrote on your post except for that those who claim to be Christian and behave this way. I don't think that they are Christian at all. They are people of the world that have filtered into the institutional "church." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58137973799343053912014-01-29T21:46:54.676-05:002014-01-29T21:46:54.676-05:00Anon 9:09,
What happened to Arlington Baptist Col...Anon 9:09,<br /><br />What happened to Arlington Baptist College?<br /><br />ABC was nothing more than a rehab stop. Foolishly, the administration and board traded their reputations for a mess of pottage. They gambled that Caner would increase enrollment in exchange for a safe haven. He received a LARGE salary and so much freedom he was rarely on campus ... as the academic dean!<br /><br />Hiring Caner was such a big mistake the school may will never recover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31823302679943168702014-01-27T20:41:34.488-05:002014-01-27T20:41:34.488-05:00Do you think that the hierarchical authority struc...Do you think that the hierarchical authority structure inside local church institutions came from reading these Scriptures: Matthew 20:25-27; Mark 10:42-45; <br /><br /> Luke 22:25-26?Ronniehttp://www.thebreadoflifefellowship.com/Have_you_believed_a_lie_.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67170741899466287582014-01-27T09:09:51.923-05:002014-01-27T09:09:51.923-05:00Two questions.
What happened to Arlington Baptist...Two questions.<br /><br />What happened to Arlington Baptist College?<br /><br />Does Caner have a wife and school aged kids that he drags all over the country to a new post every time his true character is exposed? (Why there are any places left to go is mind boggling in itself.) If so, I'm so sad for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76996812823204787972014-01-26T16:51:40.699-05:002014-01-26T16:51:40.699-05:00Thank you, thank you Debbie Kaufman for your insig...Thank you, thank you Debbie Kaufman for your insightful commentary. You are 100%.....absolutely correct. If only more Christians had your discernment and wisdom. <br /><br />People, and even most Christians, don't care about sin or integrity anymore. They don't care about lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, etc. ......that is......they don't care until they have been wronged......then, it's a different story. All "you know what" breaks loose. <br /><br />This is why our culture is dying a slow, painful death. No one cares until they have been wronged or lied to. No one cares until they have been laid off, cheated on, are sick, hungry, victimized or burglarized. <br /><br />Today's motto - Until it happens to me and my family, who cares? This selfish attitude has infected every denomination across this country. It's all about me. Today's peeps think that compassion is for the Jerry Lewis Telethon and the Children's Miracle Network. <br /><br />To most people, Jesus is just a good idea. The Bible is a nice, entertaining story. God is the great big Santa Claus in the sky. Just speak positive affirmations.......and like the good televangelists tell us, the Kingdom will come in. <br /><br />Don't worry about a little "thang" called lying......why, everyone does it. It was just a little embellishment to move the career along a little faster. <br /><br />Do you know why so many people DO NOT care about Caner's lying? <br /><br />Because they lie.....constantly. They embellish their resumes within an inch of proclaiming their ability to walk on water. They lie at work. They lie to their spouses. Then, they lie to God. And, as usual, they end up lying to themselves. No wonder they don't care about Caner's shenanigans. <br /><br />Politicians lie, Wall Street lies, the government lies, celebrities lie......it seems to be the sin of choice these days. Can't tell the truth today? .....well, brothers and sisters, just lie about it. After all you're not robbing a bank or committing one of those awful sexual sins. Bless his heart, Brother Caner just got carried away in his story. Bless his heart. He's got a heart for the young folks - he probably didn't mean no harm anyway. <br /><br />We just all need to LUV one another, hold hands, sing Kumbayah and throw a stick in the fire. Bless his heart. Let's not shoot our wounded on the battlefield. Let's LUV them and minister to them.......TO INCLUDE accepting their little embellishments. <br /><br />Like I said before, Caner is coming to the perfect location to get away with his shenanigans. I just hope....that if he gets really carried away, that he doesn't take down too many naive folks down the rabbit hole with him. Neptunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3468784034110276322014-01-26T13:02:30.897-05:002014-01-26T13:02:30.897-05:00Off topic...
For all his shortcomings, it was a b...Off topic...<br /><br />For all his shortcomings, it was a blessing to hear Dr Vines preach. The scriptures don't need props. Perhaps the Lord may stir Brunsons heart to turn away from the temptation to use stories to add to Gods word. Preach the word and be constant in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14643926515803877802014-01-26T11:00:17.424-05:002014-01-26T11:00:17.424-05:00Anonymous: I do and thousands of other people care...Anonymous: I do and thousands of other people care. Integrity is something I don't take lightly and the problem is you do, judging by your statement. Muslims are stereotyped and lied about. Black women are stereotyped and lied about, women are stereotyped and lied about. And people have been blindly following and eating it up as if it were the truth. <br /><br />The United States was fighting a war that required facts and yet our servicemen received lies and embarrassing jokes. Ergun's response is to sue those who bring out the truth of this. Pastors. <br /><br /> There is also the issue of Ergun being a bully and a "warrior". Something we definitely do not need in the SBC. The tactics used are not ethical, but a ends justifies the means no matter how far or how low those means go. <br /><br />The SBC is not the "Fighting Fundamentalist" Network. It is a group of Christians who come together for the sake of spreading the Great Commission. We have people of all colors and nations not just white and we should behave as such. Ergun does not. He's a bigot. We have people from differing theologies who can all sign the BFM. That is not good enough for Ergun. All this definitely matters. Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46970956831830608262014-01-26T10:20:50.750-05:002014-01-26T10:20:50.750-05:00And pray tell, who even cares?And pray tell, who even cares?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62035750079845828542014-01-26T10:15:53.486-05:002014-01-26T10:15:53.486-05:00So Caner lied. So what? Steve Gaines, Ed Young, ...So Caner lied. So what? Steve Gaines, Ed Young, Jr., Mack Daddy and all the others lie to us every week. Not about their personal history so much, but mostly about little things like having to give 10% of your income to them and their ministry or you are a thief, you are robbing God, you are under a curse, etc.. Caner can simply say "look, all of you guys lie every week, so why pick on me."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28625314779619357962014-01-25T16:26:19.787-05:002014-01-25T16:26:19.787-05:00Neptune; some of us who have followed this have be...Neptune; some of us who have followed this have been troubled by many of these same issues for YEARS!!<br /><br />And there isn't any end in sight.The Other Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74223082784947641112014-01-25T15:22:28.087-05:002014-01-25T15:22:28.087-05:00@Anonymous 10:51 AM
Lumpkins may or may not have ...@Anonymous 10:51 AM<br /><br />Lumpkins may or may not have a bone to pick with Mohler, but Mohler should probably be considered complicit in the Caner coverup. Caner spoke at SBTS over a decade ago, in the presence of Mohler and Russell Moore, and gave his "ex-terrorist" spiel. Mohler and Moore have never commented on the matter since.<br /><br />Anyway, Mohler and Moore are guilty of worse than covering for Caner: <br /><br />http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/11/07/phillip-gunn-sbts-al-mohler-legal-rightmoral-right/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17194336813308250382014-01-25T14:13:18.433-05:002014-01-25T14:13:18.433-05:00There is something that I honestly can't under...There is something that I honestly can't understand or even comprehend, at this point. I'm trying to literally wrap my mind around it. <br /><br />Caner, on video, stated that he was born in Istanbul, Turkey & then on another video, that he was born in Stockholm, Sweden. I saw both of these videos, as well as several others on You Tube. <br /><br />I have read the articles with the court documents, disputing some of Caner's claims. <br /><br />Again......I can't wrap my mind around the fact that Ergun Caner obviously lied in some of these videos.....and the Georgia Baptist Convention, Brewton-Parker College, 30 Trustees and many pastors are OKAY with this. <br /><br />The Conservative/Fundamentalist arm of the SBC wants to claim the inerrancy of the Bible. Yes, the Bible is inerrant. <br /><br />Therefore, if the Bible is inerrant, and the Bible says that lying is a sin, how in the world are they giving Caner a pass on his practice of lying? <br /><br />I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.<br /><br />This leads me to several questions that MUST be addressed for Caner's supporters and Brewton-Parker College:<br /><br />1. Have Caner's supporters decided that the Bible is incorrect regarding the sin of lying? <br /><br />2. Since lying, adultery, stealing, drunkenness, witchcraft, homosexuality, etc. etc. are all sins, will Caner's supporters now excuse pastors or people on staff if they commit any of these sins? (Folks, I'm not kidding about this - this must be addressed)<br /><br />3. Have the Conservatives & Caner's supporters decided that the Bible is no longer inerrant? Seriously.....<br /><br />4. If Caner's lies are given a pass, do these trustees realize that if someone on BPC staff steals or commits adultery and they are fired, that the staff member could possibly have a lawsuit against the school? .......Because........if you're going to accept a president who lies, you can't fire someone else for another sin......or can you? <br /><br />Maybe they will follow the pattern of Washington, D.C. - "Do as I say, not as I do."<br /><br />I don't think people have really thought about this thoroughly. The Board of Trustees and the Georgia Baptist Convention have really placed themselves in a very vulnerable position. These are supposed to be pastors and college-educated men, to include successful businessmen. <br /><br />They are making decisions that are completely destructive to Christian education. Neptunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33119518731752684192014-01-25T08:46:09.704-05:002014-01-25T08:46:09.704-05:00Is read afew paragraphs of. Lumpkins recently post...Is read afew paragraphs of. Lumpkins recently posted link on twitter. I couldn't bear to read it all because it is disgustingly boot licking and gratuitous. When the leaders are so blatantly setting different standards for themselves it is hard for me to understand anymore how we can get new believers to attend churches. Ronnie Floyd made a statement last night to the effect that y have to give up everything for Christ. Well unless it's your rich salary,, status, cars, etc. I know pastors say they would but I really don't know how that would fly. There would be some unhappy Mrs for sure. Many of the things that are going on remind me of the power struggle that went on a few hundred yrs ago when the Catholics were persecuting reformers. We are just more civil and don't send people into locked dungeons or torture them. Maybe modern day excommunication is their preferred punishment. It's so sad to see it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10692155975476686462014-01-25T02:16:04.213-05:002014-01-25T02:16:04.213-05:00Another point. Ergun keeps referring to battle and...Another point. Ergun keeps referring to battle and soldiers. Warriors. Who are they planning on warring against? <br /><br /><br />Tom Parker: I don't think any of this is beneath the SBC leadership radar. Not now anyway. :)Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16964342603437434072014-01-25T00:26:45.820-05:002014-01-25T00:26:45.820-05:00The goal Scott? To get back in the SBC. I didn'...The goal Scott? To get back in the SBC. I didn't see this one coming. This will prove interesting. :)Debbie Kaufmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17748664558802779885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81766149166808753932014-01-24T13:49:08.566-05:002014-01-24T13:49:08.566-05:00Scottshaver:
Was have traditionalist got to do wi...Scottshaver:<br /><br />Was have traditionalist got to do with this post?<br /><br />Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40565891218588674262014-01-24T13:44:37.731-05:002014-01-24T13:44:37.731-05:00Neptune, the Latin word for gravy
"Granatus.&...Neptune, the Latin word for gravy<br />"Granatus." <br /><br />And you are spot on in your view. I taught in a high school for 20+ years and was always thought as an "outsider." Never mind I lived in the community, and socialized with the locals. When I retired, we moved. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4707372990526758722014-01-24T13:10:15.442-05:002014-01-24T13:10:15.442-05:00Let us not forget the Brewton-Parker College finan...Let us not forget the Brewton-Parker College financial aid violations in 1998 that resulted in $4 million in fines:<br /><br />http://www.bpnews.net/printerfriendly.asp?ID=2180<br /><br />Then, the next administration helped to get the college into an even bigger mess with their inability to address the debt and dormitory needs. Many people lost their jobs in this administration. <br /><br />And now, after all of this, they want someone to take the helm like Caner? <br /><br />Are you kidding me? Neptunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78560105917438023602014-01-24T12:47:56.562-05:002014-01-24T12:47:56.562-05:00The #2 Ergun Caner appointment at BPC has been ann...The #2 Ergun Caner appointment at BPC has been announced.<br /><br />http://www.bpc.edu/pressrelease/1242014pressrelease.htmlNeptunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39866430925219559282014-01-24T12:23:00.066-05:002014-01-24T12:23:00.066-05:00Peter Lumpkins and I were seminary classmates and ...Peter Lumpkins and I were seminary classmates and friends. Not a more qualified candidate exists for this particular position.<br /><br />Can't get enough traditionalists in Baptist colleges anymore. May their tribe continue to increase.<br /><br />Congratulations both Peter and Ergun Caner.ScottShaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05404165251047281501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8846505776296505742014-01-24T12:20:06.346-05:002014-01-24T12:20:06.346-05:00Re: "Caner also cited one of the qualificatio...Re: "Caner also cited one of the qualifications of Lumpkins is his blog popularity"<br />I thought being a blogger meant you lived in the basement and ate Doritos.Frederickahttp://thriceholy.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22699599945694155972014-01-24T12:20:03.304-05:002014-01-24T12:20:03.304-05:00I know Peter Lumpkins, we were seminary classmates...I know Peter Lumpkins, we were seminary classmates and not a more qualified individual exists for this particular work. Can't get enough traditionalists on Baptist campuses these days.<br /><br />Congratulations to both Peter and Ergun Caner for an excellent appointment.ScottShaverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05404165251047281501noreply@blogger.com