tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6102703382961199408..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: The "Lies and Slander" (and Occasional Stupidity) of Mac's DefendersFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64372577491172689382008-05-03T16:40:00.000-04:002008-05-03T16:40:00.000-04:00Congregation - watch out, next thing you know you ...Congregation - watch out, next thing you know you will be getting a letter from Mac Brunson asking you to give AGAIN to another specific, worthwhile ministry. DON'T BE FOOLED. He knows he can't send you a letter asking for money for his and Debbie's and Trey's salaries, so he takes the money for that without asking you. But then he asks for more money for things you would think were already funded, like camp tuition which is $205 per student. When you see that letter, just change in your mind whatever ministry he says its for and replace it with "my big salary and benefits" and let God guide you. An honest letter would say:<BR/><BR/>"Dear Gullible rich sheep who are not effected by the housing slump, high gas prices, rising food prices, and higher health premiums. I have a $14 million budget which you have already "given to God" from which I must operate the church. That is not enough! I need more to pay all of the salaries, take all the "missions trips", loan money to the new school, and do pretty much whatever else I want to do since I "God's man." I want more money from you, so I have sent this letter to all 25,000 of you at great expense. I also want to pay some people (not all the volunteers) generously who will work at the camp. So please sacrifice some more and write a check to FBC Jax and trust me with it. Thanks. Debbie Brunson and Mac and Trey. <BR/><BR/>OR Why not a letter that states: Team Brunson's combined salary is close to $500,000.00 per year. Your $205 gift (we say it is for the camps), if only 10% of the congregation gave this amount would be 2500 X $205 = $512,500. Then I could say "we raised" that much this year, and our salaries would be paid by writing one letter. See how easy it is to "raise" money for our salaries so we can still do the ministries that are so important and still get paid the big bucks. So, Dig Deep! signed, God's man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76204186062346327382008-05-03T16:37:00.000-04:002008-05-03T16:37:00.000-04:00Robert said to me..."How does receiving a gift or ...Robert said to me...<BR/><BR/>"How does receiving a gift or a blessing from the Lord appear to be evil?<BR/>How is receiving anything from the Lord evil?<BR/>Explain this one Ghost."<BR/><BR/>WD beat me to this a little bit in explaining why this gift appears shady, and I would like to elaborate a little more from a different angle-by looking at the giver-J.D. Collins. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps some of the confusion comes from people not knowing who J.D. Collins is. For those of you who do not know, J.D. Collins is a local real estate developer who is very powerful in the City of Jacksonville. He has a very long track record of giving money to politicians in Jacksonville and throughout the state. J.D. Collins has over 20 Corporations through which he donates money to political campaigns. Campaign contributions can be searched through at the State of Florida Campaign Web Site (http://election.dos.state.fl.us/campfin/contrib.asp#com) or the City of Jacksonville Campaign Reports (https://www.voterfocus.com/ws/WScand/candidate_pr.php?e=2&c=duval). I will not bother to list all of J.D. Collins' corporations but they all are listed under the address 3840 Crown Point Road Suite A ,Jacksonville, FL 32257.<BR/><BR/>For those of you who do not wish to search through contributions I have searched through many of them myself and will list his political contributions from the last election cycle for the City of Jacksonville. <BR/><BR/>In the 2007 election cycle J.D. Collins made the following political donations to candidates in Jacksonville...<BR/><BR/>Mayor John Peyton-$10,000<BR/>Supervisor of Elections,Jerry Holland-$15,000<BR/>City Councilman At Large Group 1, Ronnie Fussell-$10,000<BR/>Candidate for City Council at Large Group 2, Jay Jabour-$7,500<BR/>Candidate for City Council At Large Group 3, Stephen Joost-$5,000<BR/>City Councilman at Large Group 4, Kevin Hyde-$5,000<BR/>City Councilwoman At Large Group 5, Glorious Johnson-$1,000<BR/>Candidates for City Council District 1:<BR/>Clay Yarborough-$1,500<BR/>Cheryl Grymes-$1,000<BR/>City Councilman District 3, Richard Clark-$5,000<BR/>Candidates for City Council District 4:<BR/>George Banks-$500<BR/>Don Redman-$7,000<BR/>City Councilman District 5, Art Shad-$5,000<BR/>Candidates for City Council District 6:<BR/>Jack Webb-$1,500<BR/>Sean Richard-$4,000<BR/>Candidate for City Council District 7, Johnny Gaffney-$1,500<BR/>Candidate for City Council District 8, E. Denise Lee-$5,000<BR/>Candidate for City Council District, Warren Jones-$1,000<BR/>Candidate for City Council District10, Mia Jones-$2,500<BR/>Candidates for City Council District 11:<BR/>Ray Holt-$1,000<BR/>Mike Saylor-$1,000<BR/>City Councilman District 12, Daniel Davis-$10,000<BR/>City Councilman District 13, Art Graham-$5,000<BR/>City Councilman District 14, Michael Corrigan-$5,000<BR/><BR/>You may say, what does this have to do with our church? While I apologize for the long listI wanted to make a point that J.D. Collins has a long history (this is only from one election cycle!) of making donations to people to whom he wants something in return. There is no correlation in his giving in regard to political party/ideology as he gave generously to Democrats Johnny Gaffney, Mia Jones, Denise Lee, and Warren Jones( when Warren had a Republican opponent). He even in FOUR RACES gave money to multiple candidates in the SAME RACE to ensure that he had his bases covered no matter who won (see Council Districts 1, 4, 6, and 11).<BR/><BR/>So, Robert, you claim that this land gift to Pastor Brunson was a "gift from the Lord." I ask, were these donations of over 100,000 dollars to local candidates in one election cycle also gifts from the Lord? I personally don't see how anyone could claim that over 100,000 dollars in political donations is a gift from the Lord. What makes the gift to Mac any different? How do the Brunson supporters know that Mac is not expected to give J.D. Collins something in return, just as he expects every politician at City Hall to be indebted to him? We have already seen a commercial played during the morning service advertising for Collins...what's next? Could new buildings or building improvements contracted through J.D. Collins be far off?<BR/><BR/>Also, I found another very interesting tidbit when I Googled J.D. Collins name. We all know that it was Jacksonville's Supervisor of Elections Jerry Holland was one of three church members who leaked to the media that Mac Brunson was going to be our new pastor (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/021006/met_21059743.shtml). I discovered a Folio Weekly article from 2000 (http://www.treeamendment.org/med10242000foliofallcolors.html alt ) that states:<BR/><BR/>“J.D. Collins is more than just another powerful developer to Jacksonville City Councilman Jerry Holland. He’s an underwriter.<BR/><BR/>Not only does Collins help pay Holland’s mortgage (his wife, Beverly Holland, is an executive officer in more than 12 Collins corporations, and Holland himself used to work for Collins), but the powerful builder also subsidized a fair chunk of Holland’s council bid in 1998. Collins, through his numerous businesses, gave 18 donations of $500 each - $9,000 - to Holland’s campaign coffers.”<BR/><BR/>This shows a link between Jerry Holland and J.D. Collins that I did not know existed. How did Jerry Holland know that Mac Brunson was coming to FBC? Could it be that he found out through his wife who works for J.D. Collins because the J.D. Collins land deal was what enticed Mac Brunson to come to Jacksonville in the first place? So again the question First Baptist Church of Jacksonville deserves an answer to is <B> Did Mac Brunson know about this $300,000 land gift before he accepted the job as Pastor of First Baptist Church Jacksonville? </B> This is a question that our church deserves an answer to, and yes Robert we will keep on "whining and griping" until it is eventually answered.Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17901919314077124630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50306067584389012992008-05-03T16:01:00.000-04:002008-05-03T16:01:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... As a non-member of FBC Jax, but ...Anonymous said... <BR/>As a non-member of FBC Jax, but a person raised in a very small, rural Baptist Church, I must tell you that this type of behavior on the part of Mac Brunson is the reason I no longer attend church.<BR/><BR/>What, that he makes a salary? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard all day.<BR/><BR/>NO, NOT that he makes a salary. Obviously, you did not get my point. I find it objectionable that this man lives the lifestyle he does, on DONATED property, and has the gall to ask for $500k for this school, the tuition for which will be out of reach for the majority of your congregation! Could he not have asked that the land be sold, with the proceeds then donated for the benefit of the school??<BR/><BR/>Of course he should draw a salary. The responsibilities of presiding over so large a church are large. I'm not "DUMB", I just find the man and his actions hypocritical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15713805568848888532008-05-03T10:38:00.000-04:002008-05-03T10:38:00.000-04:00If you look at the vast vast majority of these meg...If you look at the vast vast majority of these mega church pastors you will find they all have the same character traits. I know most of them personally so please don't accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about. <BR/><BR/>They also pastor large churches that basically operate by committees and you aren't going to change that. People don't give up power easily. The best (and only) way you are going to change anything is get elected to these committees and change it from the inside out. All the yelling and screaming isn't going to help. <BR/><BR/>In Texas we have Prestonwood BC and noone in that church could tell you what Jack Graham makes--and they never will. They just go on about doing the work of the Lord and trust God to take care of Jack and His church.<BR/><BR/>Its pathetic but its just the way it is... I'd say if you can't stand it, find a good church somewhere and go there and serve Jesus.RMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10769726517498571207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37694319777104614202008-05-03T09:08:00.000-04:002008-05-03T09:08:00.000-04:00Micah,LET IT GO! You just keep beating the same de...Micah,<BR/><BR/>LET IT GO! You just keep beating the same dead horse. The actions of our pastor cannot be justified by you or anyone else. He has come to FBC to get whatever he can, collect as many paychecks as possible (his, his wife's, his son's) and then leave the mess for us to pick up. Just let him do it in peace while giving us a few (and I do mean a few) good sermons in the process. <BR/><BR/>Secrecy is how things function at FBC. You can't and don't know any more than anyone else. It's the culture of the place. When things do eventually blow up, we will need as many dedicated members as possible to help clean up the mess. Save your energy for then, ok?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1137379869165860892008-05-03T08:19:00.000-04:002008-05-03T08:19:00.000-04:00Hey Michah - quit apologizing. LET GOD VINDICATE ...Hey Michah - quit apologizing. LET GOD VINDICATE YOU!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19829005968672501002008-05-03T07:54:00.000-04:002008-05-03T07:54:00.000-04:00We're still rejoicing in Dallas that you have him ...We're still rejoicing in Dallas that you have him and we don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29735466371795544522008-05-03T00:10:00.000-04:002008-05-03T00:10:00.000-04:00Hey Watchdog - any word from Reverend Doug Pigg ye...Hey Watchdog - any word from Reverend Doug Pigg yet? Maybe he knows who "Micah Stapp" is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44829939620475616382008-05-03T00:08:00.000-04:002008-05-03T00:08:00.000-04:00If I was on the search committee I would really be...If I was on the search committee I would really be ticked off. Why? Because Dr. Vines had hand picked Mac Brunson and asked to come on board a year before your charade of a committee was formed. Then, David Allen, who was on the committee that brought Paige Patterson to SWBTS and who PP then gave the Dean position to as a quid pro quo, came and bragged about the pillar moving and God leading a man here when HE KNEW ALL along the man that he and Paige Patterson and Vines had picked all along was coming to Jax. Just like they used to do when picking SBC Convention presidents, the "big boys" meet behind closed doors and decided it was going to be Mac Brunson. <BR/><BR/>But, to make sure you gullible sheep would not and could not object, they actually formed a committee of some of the sweetest, most respected members of the church to "pray about" who GOD would have them call. Guess what, they ALL decided it was going to be...drumroll please....MAC BRUNSON. Still, he told them no, but guess what. Something changed his mind. We can only speculate as to what that was.<BR/><BR/>Think about it...it would make me feel pretty stupid and used if I was asked to serve on a committee and pray for God to lead me and I ended up picking the same guy Vines and Patterson and Allen had conspired to pick all along. Shame and embarrassment would be mixed in there too. Great job committee. Now, you are forced to support him no matter what now too! Does the term "rubber stamp" committee mean anything to you? Keep on supporting him. You would never want to admit that you were a sham all along. I could be wrong of course, but it sure seems very, very possible. And yes, I was part of it when I stood to my feet and gave him and his wife a standing ovation with my "yes" vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55807485405504865562008-05-02T23:59:00.000-04:002008-05-02T23:59:00.000-04:00Voice of Reason says:Hey Anon May 2, 2008 - 6:40 p...Voice of Reason says:<BR/><BR/>Hey Anon May 2, 2008 - 6:40 p.m. - you make a good point that is right on and needs to be applied equally across the board. You stated that since even though the land was from Collins, it could still be from God, since God works through men. (I hope I have understood you correctly.) I agree with you 100%. Therefore, when people keep saying that Mac Brunson is "accountable to God", I say, Amen, but God aint walking around here right now, and instead he uses men. So by your logic, Mac is accountable to God, which is to say, he is accountable to the men God has put here to keep him accountable. Saying that a pastor is accountable only to God is not true. He is accountable to his wife, his children, his tax collector, local law enforcement, the committees he serves on, and to the sheep he claims to have been called to shepherd.<BR/><BR/>It is good to see that some "close" supporters of Mac have finally attempted to get on here and spin things a little more favorably to their "pastor." Why do I say this? Because the responses seem to come from brainwashed people first of all, and second, there seems to be a lot of anons suddenly "knowing things for a fact." Such as about Doug Pigg and the fact the land was a gift. <BR/><BR/>Still, I am not taking some anon blogger's word for it. Until Mac Brunson is man enough to explain this "gift from God" to his congregation, it will be a legitmate topic for discussion and speculation as to the nature of it, and timing of it.<BR/><BR/>So keep on laughing boys, your efforts to "explain things" are obviously weak and deficient and are only getting you deeper and deeper into a mess you can't dig out of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80895939790505807932008-05-02T21:51:00.000-04:002008-05-02T21:51:00.000-04:00As a non-member of FBC Jax, but a person raised in...<I>As a non-member of FBC Jax, but a person raised in a very small, rural Baptist Church, I must tell you that this type of behavior on the part of Mac Brunson is the reason I no longer attend church.</I><BR/><BR/>What, that he makes a salary? That's about the dumbest thing I've heard all day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40513143455197850132008-05-02T18:40:00.000-04:002008-05-02T18:40:00.000-04:00Ghost, please notice that you quoted scripture and...Ghost, please notice that you quoted scripture and basically assumed that it meant nothing to Robert. Then you followed that by comparing our Pastor to Stalin.<BR/><BR/>Your buddy followed by an "explanation" how a gift appears evil because his legalistic line deems it thus. WD actually said that since the deed reads Collins it can't be from God. WD believes that God can't move men to give. <BR/><BR/>And you guys call us stupid.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work WD and Ghost!<BR/>This is laughable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36846693193191014082008-05-02T18:30:00.000-04:002008-05-02T18:30:00.000-04:00As a non-member of FBC Jax, but a person raised in...As a non-member of FBC Jax, but a person raised in a very small, rural Baptist Church, I must tell you that this type of behavior on the part of Mac Brunson is the reason I no longer attend church. <BR/><BR/>Our preacher(s) were not paid well by any stretch of the imagination. They stayed at our small church because they truly loved the Lord and wanted to bring as many people to Him as possible. One of our preachers could barely afford a car. Of course, many of our members were struggling, also. I imagine that there are members of FBC Jax that are struggling...how must it make them feel to know that Mac is living such a lavish lifestyle? How must it make them feel when he asks for money for a school that they cannot afford to send their children to, while living on land donated to him and his family, that could have been donated to the school to make tuition more affordable for the average member?<BR/><BR/>The average member of Jeremiah Wright's former church is surely struggling, as well, yet the church has secured a $1.6 million dollar mortgage for his retirement home, with a $10 million line of credit. There seems to be a parallel to this situation, and that is sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77762534599351888022008-05-02T18:22:00.000-04:002008-05-02T18:22:00.000-04:00Hi Anon - thanks for your question about the Time ...Hi Anon - thanks for your question about the Time to Stand with Israel.<BR/><BR/>There was nothing wrong with the event itself, as I have stated.<BR/><BR/>I was against it being hosted at our church, for a whole multitude of reasons. Take a look at my posts in October and November 2007 where I made the case that this event had no business whatsoever being held at our church. You can access these by clicking on the little arrows on the archived section on the right side of the blog page.<BR/><BR/>After you read those, I would genuinely like to hear back from you on your thoughts.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8262676525158481592008-05-02T18:18:00.000-04:002008-05-02T18:18:00.000-04:00Robert - need to get a few things straight:1. Thi...Robert - need to get a few things straight:<BR/><BR/>1. This poster boldly declaring the land was a gift is nothing new - we've known that, its a matter of public record.<BR/><BR/>2. no one is saying that its "evil". That scripture Ghost is quoting is giving the principle that we as Christians should avoid the appearance of doing things that might be perceived as improper. <BR/><BR/>3. Mac Brunson was not given the gift "from the Lord". I checked the deed, and sure enought "the Lord" is not on the deed. I hate to be so unspiritual, but I'll go out on a limb here and state emphatically: "the Lord" is not in the business of giving land gifts to pastors, especially wealthy pastors earning well into six figures. Now it was given by a certain person whose name is on the deed: "Collins". That is the giver. Not "the Lord". <BR/><BR/>4. For gifts to be given, they must be received. So there is a giver and a receiver. Not all gifts that are given MUST be received. A gift can be refused. The recipient of a gift is not a passive participant or observer. They must make a willful decision: do I accept this gift or do I not.<BR/><BR/>5. There are plenty of instances when accepting a gift is wrong, or at least we can say "unwise". Most businesses have strict rules on what kinds and sizes of gifts employees can accept from outside parties such as customers, vendors, agencies, etc. Companies always want employees to avoid even the appearance that a gift given to them could affect the employee's ability to always act in the best interests of the company. So most employees can accept only token gifts like a coffee cup, or maybe a pair of tickets to a ball game, or something like that, and the gifts above a certain dollar amount must usually be disclosed. I'll go out on a limb again and say emphatically: $300,000 gifts of land are out of the question in most corporate circumstances.<BR/><BR/>6. As far as gifts and churches: it certainly can be perceived by people in the church and outside the church, when a minister accepts a very large gift from one of the donors of the church, that the gift is improper. Especially, ESPECIALLY, when the pastor already is earning a hefty salary already far and above the average salary of the members of the church. Many will perceive the gift as being better spent on the church ministries and not on the pastor of the church personally. Many times in smaller churches pastors make ends meet by the generosity of a member who provides a vehicle, or something else to help the pastor. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about a wealthy mega church preacher, accepting a $300,000 gift not from a long time friend, not from a church member who was blessed by Mac for years and years. <BR/><BR/>7. Mac's case is quite peculiar. I've heard plenty of times a long-time pastor being given gifts by parishioners or even the church itself for expressions of love after years of faithful service (even Jeremiah Wright, who is being given a multi-million dollar home by his church, served faithfully at that church for decades and built the church himself). But its extremely odd for a pastor to show up and within two weeks he is given, and he accepts, a $300,000 gift from a donor of the church. That looks less like a gift and more like a relo package. Mac Brunson and family are making a huge salary at the church, and accepting a gift of $300,000 from one of the donors of the church was not a wise move, especially when they had been here only a few weeks. They MUST know that this opens them up to scrutiny and second guessing, especially when the gift, if its of the Lord's doing, is not shared and celebrted with the church family. Can they be surprised now to know that there are some that are critical of them accepting that gift?<BR/><BR/>8. This practice of gifts going directly to a pastor instead of the church 501(c)3 organization that he is head of, is one of the practices that Senator Grassley is investigating televangelists for. Randy and Paula White for example, are being investigated over, among many other things, $43,000 in gifts that were given directly to them by the congregation one month. Again, it goes to the fact that Mac has a responsibility to act in the best interests of the church in these matters - and accepting a gift of $300,000 from a donor 2 weeks after he arrives, while he already is getting a hefty salary and all needs met through the church budget, is a poor decision. He COULD HAVE refused it, he could have recommended it be sold and given to the church. Now perhaps he's like Spurgeon, and he took the value of the land and gave it to missionaries and to FBC Jax in its entirety and someday he'll be vindicated as Spurgeon was. But I maintain a new pastor, coming to a new town, to a church that already has a reputation of being a church of the rich, makes an unwise move in accepting that gift. Period.<BR/><BR/>9. When a large gift like that is accepted, it leads to other subsequent decisions the pastor makes being questioned. For instance, on the Sunday prior to Easter Mac Brunson aired a professionally made "commercial" for Collins Home Builders during our service, and which also aired on TV-12 the following Sunday to the local Jacksonville market. Of course there was a spiritual reason for the commercial, to show that Collins Home Builders took a leap of faith in closing their business on Sundays as a matter of Christian principle - they are to be commended for that. That is great. But the owners of Collins Home Builders are the sons of the man who gave the $300,000 gift to the Brunsons. Not saying its quid-pro-quo - I AM SAYING there is an APPEARANCE of quid-pro-quo. An "Appearance".<BR/><BR/>And that takes me full circle Robert back to the scripture Ghost quoted for you:<BR/><BR/>"Abstain from all appearance of evil."FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91313557403129222522008-05-02T18:08:00.000-04:002008-05-02T18:08:00.000-04:00My question, which is only a question, is what was...My question, which is only a question, is what was wrong about the Stand for Israel being held at the church? I thought it was almost a great thing done by the church to show their support for Israel. I dont want to come off as preachy but with Israel being Gods chosen people, shouldn't we as Christians support them in any and every way possible?<BR/><BR/>"Watchdog" can you tell me what happened or took place that shouldn't have or why it wasn't good for the church to host it or how it wasn't support? Thank you and my prayers are with you all during this hard time concerning the loss of Mrs. Lindsay. She truly was a great woman of God and now she is with our Lord and once again with Dr. Lindsay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11434685865756751702008-05-02T17:38:00.000-04:002008-05-02T17:38:00.000-04:00How does receiving a gift or a blessing from the L...How does receiving a gift or a blessing from the Lord appear to be evil?<BR/><BR/>How is receiving anything from the Lord evil?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Explain this one Ghost.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58232985042975044052008-05-02T16:29:00.000-04:002008-05-02T16:29:00.000-04:00Robert,Obviously the verse 1 Thessalonians 5:22 "A...Robert,<BR/><BR/>Obviously the verse 1 Thessalonians 5:22 "Abstain from all appearance of evil." means absolutely nothing to you.<BR/><BR/>Also, voice of reason...I must commend you for your bravery sir. Now that you have revealed your identity for Team Brunson to see I ask that you please keep us up to date on what Stalinistic tactics Team Brunson uses to try to silence and intimidate you.Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17901919314077124630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77342764843193376522008-05-02T15:11:00.000-04:002008-05-02T15:11:00.000-04:00Anon 2:56pm,I see nothing wrong with this and comp...Anon 2:56pm,<BR/><BR/>I see nothing wrong with this and completely believe you. But you know FBCW and company still...disaprove of the whole issue. They will still find fault and degrade the pastor with this issue in the same ole way they always have. Nothing new, nothing old. Just the same whining and griping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83505630450752088192008-05-02T14:56:00.000-04:002008-05-02T14:56:00.000-04:00All other matters you have with Mac Brunson aside,...All other matters you have with Mac Brunson aside, I am here to tell you that the land he lives on is a gift. Free and Clear. Period.<BR/>A 100% no obligation, no ties gift.<BR/>Taxes paid by both the giver and Brunson.<BR/>I know these statements to be 100% fact.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15143966742498554782008-05-02T14:10:00.000-04:002008-05-02T14:10:00.000-04:00Oh, so that is the connection between Troy Leaver ...Oh, so that is the connection between Troy Leaver and the Watchdog. The sentiments are clear now that the association is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35230882418532992442008-05-02T10:21:00.000-04:002008-05-02T10:21:00.000-04:00If it came across as a swipe at WD, then I apologi...If it came across as a swipe at WD, then I apologize. That was not my intent. I just wanted to point out it was an opportunity he may not have thought about. That’s all. I hope WD didn’t take it that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31123968093232893312008-05-02T10:06:00.000-04:002008-05-02T10:06:00.000-04:00My condolences on the passing of your beloved firs...My condolences on the passing of your beloved first lady. Not trying to butt in or tell "watchdog" what to do, but it would be a nice thing to do should he feel led. However, why would you have to end an otherwise good comment with this swipe at "watchdog"?<BR/><BR/><I>"It would be a chance for you to show us a side of you we haven't seen before here...compassion."</I><BR/><BR/>Obviously you have no compassion for him.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46824775828100006562008-05-02T09:57:00.000-04:002008-05-02T09:57:00.000-04:00I was wondering if you guys could take a break fro...I was wondering if you guys could take a break from your blog for awhile as the church mourns the loss of Mrs. Lindsay. This the content of an email I received written by Aaron Tison.<BR/><BR/>"Mrs. Lindsay fell at her home and suffered devastating brain damage. Peggy and Lynn Hyatt were present when she fell. She was rushed to Shands Jacksonville Trauma Unit, but it was determined that there was nothing that could be done to save Mrs. Lindsay’s life. The family was supported at the hospital by Dr. Brunson, several staff members and many friends. At around 10:15 PM Mrs. Lindsay entered the presence of her loving Father and Beloved Savior. Please be in prayer for the family as they mourn. They are sorrowful…yet rejoicing. Funeral details are pending and will be announced as soon as they are set.<BR/><BR/>I hope that we have the funeral details today but PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND as I will send the Funeral details on Saturday.<BR/><BR/>Aaron Tison x1365"<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/><BR/>Steve WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2404710968877718882008-05-02T09:56:00.000-04:002008-05-02T09:56:00.000-04:00I agree with your sentiments about Mrs. Lindsay. S...I agree with your sentiments about Mrs. Lindsay. She was an incredible woman and example for so many over the years.<BR/><BR/>To express sentiments about Mrs. Lindsay and to the family I would recommend going to the Times Union obituary section guest book. As of this writing, Mrs. Lindsay's guest book is not open, but I am quite certain that it will be in the next 24 hours, and people post their expressions of love and sympathy there.<BR/><BR/>Here's the link to the Times Union guest book:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.legacy.com/TimesUnion/DeathNotices.asp?Page=GBGateway" REL="nofollow">Times Union Obit Guest Book</A>FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.com