tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6418314376029365416..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: The Lying Continues: Steve Gaines Says Non-Tithers' Finances are Cursed, and They are Living in Stolen Houses, Eating Stolen FoodFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89041035447253814512017-02-27T18:56:15.534-05:002017-02-27T18:56:15.534-05:00I have been to his church, and I have heard him sp...I have been to his church, and I have heard him speak every time I go to see my friend perform in the Singing Christmas Tree. Other than that, I do not go to his church. This page somewhat explains why I've always felt uneasy when he speaks. My parents have taught me that when we tithe, which we do once a year, we do not tithe because God requires it of us. We tithe as a means of worship and a way to show thanks to God. It is also just one way that we can help God's kingdom be furthered and allow churches smaller than ours to continue their existence. Our church has elder rule established so that none of our ministers have direct access to tithes and offerings. The ministers have no incentive to lie to us about financing because they receive a set salary regardless of how much money comes in through tithes and offerings. Everything else goes to keep our church running and keep other smaller churches running.Sola_Gratianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90575574318767435882014-02-26T21:18:37.868-05:002014-02-26T21:18:37.868-05:00Malachi 3:8-9 are in red letters in my bible. what...Malachi 3:8-9 are in red letters in my bible. what does that mean?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42147351142413273292013-03-10T12:17:45.746-04:002013-03-10T12:17:45.746-04:00Adrian Rogers was a godly man and I think he would...Adrian Rogers was a godly man and I think he would not approved whats going on in the church. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25865035759314519012012-05-01T22:54:27.489-04:002012-05-01T22:54:27.489-04:00What is amazing is none of the 1000s of Southern B...What is amazing is none of the 1000s of Southern Baptist Fundamentalist preachers will EVER speak against another. Reminds me of the Roman good ole boy network that Luther and the reformers broke up.<br /><br /> These boys love that money and are scared to death to become politically incorrect.<br /><br /> No A PEEP in Jackson Tn and all Gains preacher buddies. <br /><br />Lee SimmonsLee Simmonsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21709572458582337562011-07-17T07:44:13.254-04:002011-07-17T07:44:13.254-04:00Can you believe this
A once defender of Steve Gai...Can you believe this<br /><br />A once defender of Steve Gaines of Bellevue Baptist Church has now seen the light and has changed his opinion of him:<br /><br /><a href="http://savingbellevue-solomon.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">savingbellevue-solomon</a><br /><br />saying<br /><br />"Way back in 2005 Steve Gaines got himself into a lot of trouble for allegedly using strong-arm tactics <br />in an attempt to control others. <br /><br />Also, the almost impossible-to-believe allegations that he actually believed a church member was possessed by a demon because of a dream he had began a conflict that was disastrous for Bellevue. <br /><br />I was among many who couldn't bring themselves to believe something so crazy, but after recent events I have no other choice. <br />The man's borderline obsession with demonic influence and his recent unannounced visits to church members to "discuss" their tithing habits have left me no<br /> alternative but to believe that those things were true."<br /><br />So according to this, Steve Gaines is "visiting" members to badger them to TITHE? <br /><br /><br />So what do you think? Does Steve Gaines have a infatuation with the "dark side"?.<br /><br />Lets review some of Steve's own words..<br /><br />His story of <a href="http://video.pastor.tv/video/Steve-Gaines-Can-I-tell-you-One" rel="nofollow">exorcism</a> of a demon possessed? man in Alabama<br /><br /><br />His story of <a href="http://video.pastor.tv/video/Steve-Gaines-his-Texas-Haunted" rel="nofollow">exorcism</a> of his Haunted House in Texas<br /><br /><br />His <a href="http://video.voila.fr/video/iLyROoafI-Cr.html" rel="nofollow">exorcism</a> of his computer after googling for pictures of Satan on the internet in MemphisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73104885699173297752011-07-16T23:20:15.388-04:002011-07-16T23:20:15.388-04:00Steve Gaines of Mega Bellevue Baptist Church, defe...Steve Gaines of Mega Bellevue Baptist Church, defending Tithing and Large Churches :<br /><br /><a href="http://video.voila.fr/video/iLyROoaf2ZC7.html" rel="nofollow">We do what we do for little boys with cancer</a><br /><br />cough....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40747539923714016762011-07-13T20:58:27.854-04:002011-07-13T20:58:27.854-04:00So, where did Jesus or any of the apostles talk ab...So, where did Jesus or any of the apostles talk about tithing 10%?<br /><br />If people don't start reading their Bibles and finding out this stuff for themselves, they are bound to fall prey to this garbage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12104227374101541702011-07-05T19:46:27.728-04:002011-07-05T19:46:27.728-04:00Those pastors who believe in storehouse tithing ar...Those pastors who believe in storehouse tithing are all (all of them) living under the Law as it is simply not under Grace. It seems to me that tithing is more important than Salvation...it certainly appears to be preached about more and with stronger force and with more dire consequences than being LOST. There is a "New Gospel" that Paul warned us would occur during the last days. Have you begun to realize the lack of normal affection, love of self (self esteem), forced adherence to false "spiritual doctrines" through intimidtion or threats and all the other facets that are being thrust upon the children of God? Most doctrines taught within the Bible appear to be not as important to those that teach tithing. Tithing is the most taught "subject". Also, some would have you believe that compromise with rock music rather than the wiser and more acceptalbe old solid hymns of the past, taking down the cross off of your church, removing Baptist from the name of your church, calling Gods church a "campus", stop visiting and sharing Jesus. There are better "gimmicks" that promote GROWTH in the church, than visitation and sharing Jesus. After all no one is home you know. Why do we put so much money in "missions" in other countries while refusing to visit in our own communities? Well,todays "church" isn't working very well, and where it does, many times, the true gospel is not pre-eminent. Many of todays church alinate their own members. Its all about feeling good and everyone is ok and lets just all get along. To that opinion, I would say stay away from those type of churches and read your Bible because it is going to be very soon when the number of 666 will be passed around and if you do not take it you will lose your head. But, do you hear any of this end time being preached from the Book of Revelation being taught? No, don't dare get anyone upset or scared about the end-time because you might have them lose their self esteem and that would be so terrible for them and for the church that promotes such theology. But what about the souls?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73265400828698432282011-07-05T17:41:58.228-04:002011-07-05T17:41:58.228-04:00I just watched the video and I have some questions...I just watched the video and I have some questions.<br /><br />Where is the "storehouse" in Bellevue Baptist Church? I've never seen it personally, but it must be there if he is promoting storehouse tithing.<br /><br />At the time that the verses he is quoting in Malachi were written, there was a literal storehouse in the temple. Where is it today?<br /><br />Perhaps it is in the spot where the prayer chapel (a special offering was collected for it - but it was never built) was supposed to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34880521379354815512011-07-05T11:40:45.316-04:002011-07-05T11:40:45.316-04:00Guilting the poor into giving 10% to the church is...Guilting the poor into giving 10% to the church is similar to the late 18th century doctors bleeding their patients to try to help them overcome their illnesses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29056086286136880512011-07-03T23:49:49.554-04:002011-07-03T23:49:49.554-04:00I tithe and now I have an opportunity to help run ...I tithe and now I have an opportunity to help run the Church.<br /><br />You can't have a voice if you don't give and our Pastor told us straight up that he is checking Tithing records.<br /><br />I love Jesus and our Church and to have input, I must tithe.<br /><br />I fine with it but the last week of the month of the month is tight because I only get paid once a month.<br /><br />I guess God is fine with it too because every Church is just like this. My buddy at his job said the Elders at his church had to submit a W2 tom the Pastor every year to verify the tithing records.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74959610886228682032011-07-03T14:50:10.202-04:002011-07-03T14:50:10.202-04:00Leaving Baptisland was one of the best decisions I...Leaving Baptisland was one of the best decisions I've ever made. You would be stunned and amazed how clearly I can see all this nonsense now. It takes some time, but the exact same "teaching" I used to fall for is now crystal clear...scam artists trying to get in your head with GUILT to make you hand the $ over. (and to follow other ridiculous rules, making puppets out of us)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91006505341416879922011-07-03T14:16:13.707-04:002011-07-03T14:16:13.707-04:00I can't believe intelligent people listen to t...I can't believe intelligent people listen to this crap or that the "ministers" preach like they are in front of idiots. They are so arrogant.<br />I'm glad my friends who have chosen to stay in the Baptist church use their offerings wisely by giving to the individuals they see in need or to the organizations of their choice. IMO these guys and the SBC aren't trust worthy to make the desicions about how to use the money.Valarienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26718881892419094632011-07-03T08:56:02.529-04:002011-07-03T08:56:02.529-04:00Actually the OT never teaches or alludes to payche...Actually the OT never teaches or alludes to paycheck tithing and advocate taking care of one's family first then the market produce is tithed. Why is it their not teaching proof texting in seminaries anymore? It was the food that was being sent to market AFTER taking care of his family was tithed. I had minister confronted recently about this anonymously by someone and the congregants laughed. I knew what they laughed about...it must be because that person criticized "had a greed issue." Those who criticize tithing are accused of it and those who teach it can be false accused of it as well. 80% of baptist ministers actually struggle financially and some of them teach it. Let's get back to some grace on this issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27543009534856075192011-07-03T08:53:12.761-04:002011-07-03T08:53:12.761-04:00From Change Worth Making Blog,
http://changeworth...From Change Worth Making Blog,<br /><br />http://changeworthmaking.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/the-deeper-issues-in-giving/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90019279852776033802011-07-03T08:29:10.448-04:002011-07-03T08:29:10.448-04:00"If we go back to the beginnings of things, w..."If we go back to the beginnings of things, we shall always find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that imagination, rapture and deception embellished them; that weakness worships them; that custom spares them; and that tyranny favors them in order to profit from the blindness of men."-- Baron d'HolbachAnonymousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46816286456401798312011-07-03T07:14:36.839-04:002011-07-03T07:14:36.839-04:00Regarding Randy Alcorn's view that that grace ...Regarding Randy Alcorn's view that that grace giving is less effective than tithing, I disagree with his subset from which he bases his statistics. He seems to think that all people who attend church are Christians. He then applies the fact that grace giving is less effective based on church membership data. <br /><br />Has it ever occurred to him or anyone else that the reason that "grace giving" is so low is because so few have truly experienced grace? If giving were the only area where "Christians" were struggling, I'd think he would have a point. But these "Christians" are also struggling with keeping their marriages together, internet pornography, and just about every other vice that "non-Christians" struggle with. Therefore, we don't need to go back to the Law, but instead preach Jesus!<br /><br />I respect Randy, and generally agree with him on most things, but on this I have to disagree with him. I still believe him to be a brother in Christ, who has a very effective ministry.Markhttp://www.prudentchurch.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39665471759196097192011-07-02T23:03:52.282-04:002011-07-02T23:03:52.282-04:00This preacher is trying to control people through ...This preacher is trying to control people through making them afraid of a "curse." Is he a gypsy, a witch, a fortune-teller, gazing into a crystal ball and seeing, "Aha, I see that there's a curse upon you! In order to remove this curse, you must give me 10% of your income! Then the curse will be gone!"<br /><br />This would only work with those subject to such suggestions. And maybe people could point out the verse about true religion-which is to help widows and orphans and visit prisoners. Or in the OT, doesn't it say what is required of man-to walk justly, be merciful, and walk humbly with God?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37757287800060772822011-07-02T21:08:15.153-04:002011-07-02T21:08:15.153-04:00There's a woman in my church who had major sur...There's a woman in my church who had major surgery and was in danger of losing her home because she was out of work.<br /><br />The church "benevolence department" paid her rent but have browbeaten her so severely and belittled her so much that she does not even want to come back to the church. This is not the first story I've heard like this. This woman is a former professional, not some vagrant or freeloader looking to live on handouts the rest of her life.<br /><br />They are messing with someone who is new to the faith as well as a widow, an orphan and a poor person. <br /><br />They have also told her to "sever all ties" with certain people at the church (wonder who that might be), and these are people who are actually trying to help her with more than just one month's rent. They are trying to get her into a light JOB or get some form of government assistance temporarily so she doesn't have to end up on the street.<br /><br />Yes -- this is the kindness you get from these church staff people. They NEVER give to help others, but only to see what how badly they can browbeat money and every ounce of self-esteem out of people. Then they enjoy the bloody treasure with their family and friends by giving them jobs, ect. and having grown kids who don't even have to work. <br /><br />Then they'll turn around and tell someone who has no family and just had major surgery that she is cursed if she doesn't give 10 percent to them. <br /><br />I used to think they were just greedy, now I see how evil and sick they are.<br /><br />Mind you, this is an extremely upscale area. And this is how the disadvantaged are treated. <br /><br />As heartlessly as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37187042433749476662011-07-02T20:40:50.596-04:002011-07-02T20:40:50.596-04:00I have stayed out of the argument for a while but ...I have stayed out of the argument for a while but I think Randy Alcorn speaks to this subject matter very well.<br /><br />He says:To me, giving less than a tithe is simply not an option. Someday I’m going to stand before God and give an account of my life (Romans 14:12). On that day I do not want to have to explain why, being indwelt with the Holy Spirit and having lived in the most affluent nation in human history, I failed to give at the very minimal level of those who did not have the indwelling Spirit and owned far less than I.<br /><br />Maybe you believe the tithe was an Old Testament standard, and we’re no longer under the law but under grace, so tithing isn’t a requirement for us. Okay. Let’s say you’re right. Now, do you really think God doesn’t have a will for New Testament Christians when it comes to giving, or that he has lowered the bar of what he expects of us? Since studies show the average Christian givers just over 2% of his income to the Lord, does that mean that grace is only a fifth as effective as the law? Or is something fundamentally wrong with our approach to giving? Are we failing to learn what real grace giving means because we children of grace are failing to start at the minimum level God started his children under the Old Covenant?<br /><br />The concepts behind the firstfruits—the ownership and worthiness of God and the servanthood and indebtedness of man—are as true today as they were in the Old Testament. And surely the gratitude of God’s people should be far greater on this side of Calvary than the other!<br /><br />I hope this helps in your debate. Just sayin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17549259969464622222011-07-02T20:06:05.290-04:002011-07-02T20:06:05.290-04:00I believe that God looks at the heart of the belie...I believe that God looks at the heart of the believer(Born Again)when they give money to help support their pastor who feeds them good food from the Word of God. We are not under the old covenant of giving a tenth to the temple....That was back when the Levites were the priests and relied on the tithe for their living and for the festivals in the Temple because they couldn't work or own land or a home.....So, to what I understand, today we give to the church because we are to pay the teacher who TEACHES the WORD...and not just what they want to say from the stage area.....God loves a cheerful giver, whether it is in the confines of a church bldg. or sowing elsewhere.....Maybe it is time that all believers become good Bereans like Paul said we should be like: they studied the Word to make sure that what was being said from the stage was truth..not just because someone said so...Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02356268221254384535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26751999877552537552011-07-02T19:31:18.290-04:002011-07-02T19:31:18.290-04:00hope and faith,
If you should dare to "quest...hope and faith,<br /><br />If you should dare to "question" the "shepherd" or have the temerity to tell him, based on the Scripture, that he is wrong........you will have his Pharisaical credentials leveraged against you, blind submission demanded of you, be accused of pride and rebellion, charged with past sins, threatened with church discipline...... you will find out that most of those that claim to "love" you will abandon you because they were only "fairweather" friends.<br /><br />Sad to say, it has been my experience that many of these institutional churches revolve around the "cult of personality," and when the individual at the center (senior pastor or teaching elder)decides you gotta go, even being on the side of the Lord Jesus Christ and having approached him biblically does not matter. (Oh yeah, even when you confront him and he acknowledges sin, everyone else will still be led to believe that you are a "troubler" and your departure is all your fault).<br /><br /> The level of betrayal that I have personally experience from so-called "Christians," in my life, is astounding--all of it over doctrine, and not personal issues. Once you disagree, they look at you as a threat, and your days are numbered.<br /><br /> I will never again, by the grace of GOD, be a part of another dead institution with it's legalistic leaders and incompetent "Christians." <br /><br />I have, however, been in *one* fellowship, and only one, where the man that was the teaching pastor was obviously graced by the Holy Spirit to function in that capacity. I knew him, and still do, to be godly and patient man. So I know that healthy churches do exist, but they are rare.<br /><br />JonathanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34095914720549249362011-07-02T19:04:18.120-04:002011-07-02T19:04:18.120-04:00hope&faith 6:05pm. You are right. Scripture te...hope&faith 6:05pm. You are right. Scripture tells us when we pray to go into our own closet. There is this new doctrine "I can do all things through Christ when I give 10% of my gross pay weekly". Do you notice some additional words here? This is what has happened since the Garden of Eden. Pastors adding or taking away from scripture. Those that see it leave and are better off spiritually since the Bible tells us to not be fooled. How can two walk together if they are not in agreement. People have wised up and see what the modern day church has brought upon itself. One additional point. I suppose the 20 million people unemployed don't tithe either? Worse and worse. Stay at home and study the Bible for yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51907141961029154802011-07-02T18:05:17.699-04:002011-07-02T18:05:17.699-04:00Bring your tithe....do not question where it is to...Bring your tithe....do not question where it is to be spent. When Gaines came to Bellevue, he wanted to teach his flock how to pray.....I guess Dr. Rogers did not instruct them well on the art of praying. Then, Gaines decided to build a building specifically for prayer....Money was given for the prayer building...and yet, it was not built years later. I wonder if they put the money to better use... since there is so much need in Memphis....but, don't question the Shepherd....and, for heaven's sake, don't ask his salary....the irony is that there are those who sit in the pews no matter what. Somehow, I think going to a quiet room in your own home, on your knees, might be pleasing to God...hopeandfaithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46200749787614823132011-07-02T16:32:53.819-04:002011-07-02T16:32:53.819-04:00Anon 10:09 says:
"If FBCJ, or any church you...Anon 10:09 says:<br /><br />"If FBCJ, or any church you refuse to support with financial generosity, has leadership you can't support with generous giving,then how can you support it with your weekly presence?"<br /><br />Amen. That is what more and more people are doing. They are checking out of these churches. Their pastors are piling up the guilt for giving something less than 10%. A friend of mine was giving about 2 or 3% a month which was sacrificial for them in their circumstances, and he was joyful and happy to give. But when the arrogant pastor said that anything less than 10% was a blemished gift that puts the church at risk, and then that pastor questioned the manhood of non-tithers, he stopped giving completely, and I mean completely. He attended for a year or so before leaving finally, and gave nothing. He gave to other charities and Christian causes. Said he didn't want to hurt his church by bringing a blemished gift that wasn't wanted.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.com