tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6509976497717182246..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Bully Pastors Put on the Gloves...FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72449001954248698422009-09-28T23:04:59.391-04:002009-09-28T23:04:59.391-04:00This is nothing new,it was mentioned in the Bible,...This is nothing new,it was mentioned in the Bible,The Pharisees still exist,in the form of hypocracy,in our churches today.The Word sais'You shall know them ny their fruits'It is impossible for Christian love to be falsely imitated,and unfortunately,some are in Church leadership for their own gain,be that fanacial and/or power.I myself have been victim of power yielding and malicious people in the church,and to forgive them has been a major struggle for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67760522954226919232009-08-01T15:33:48.457-04:002009-08-01T15:33:48.457-04:00Doing the work of Satan.<a href="http://www.newbbc.accura.net/YoureRobbingGod.WAV" rel="nofollow">Doing the work of Satan.</a>FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83280426077200648792009-08-01T15:18:30.430-04:002009-08-01T15:18:30.430-04:00Is the following true straight quote made by Mac?:...Is the following true straight quote made by Mac?: <br /><br />"those who might disagree with him that the Christians are obligated to tithe and that the Old Testament "storehouse" refers to the New Testament church, are "doing the work of Satan"<br /><br />This is a heretical statement and slanderous.... the leaders should repremand him for such a foolish statemen...his book is posted in a leadership class at SWBTS. Dr. Russell Kelley has a well documented thesis on this issue where baptist never took any such postition until after the turn of the 20th century. Good grief!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69461858419539183972009-07-29T00:37:01.390-04:002009-07-29T00:37:01.390-04:00As Deb and I research these incidents all over the...As Deb and I research these incidents all over the country, we are impressed that all of these churches use a type of "playbook" in response to issues being raise. Instead of responding in love and compassion like our Lord, they respond with the ways of the world. Humility has given way to narcissistic power. I must admit that I struggle to see how guys like Brunson are behaving Christianly.<br /><br />Hang in there. All of the heroes mentioned in hebrews 11 had hard lives. Out of pain is born real faith, one not dependent on men but faith dependent on the source. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you who struggle. We will be publishing your situation in the coming month on our blog.(The Wartburg Watch).<br /><br />BleessingsDeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16091117642278816996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-511659138643003552009-07-26T08:38:23.433-04:002009-07-26T08:38:23.433-04:00By the way (and I'm sure you know this), mater...By the way (and I'm sure you know this), material that is true cannot be defamatory. So go ahead and tell the truth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80698119015653332782009-07-26T08:35:14.248-04:002009-07-26T08:35:14.248-04:00Just a quick late comment from a barrack-room lawy...Just a quick late comment from a barrack-room lawyer - there is no way that copyright law applies to a threatening letter from an attourney, period. The concept is just a joke. Any judge would throw such a case out without even considering fair use.<br /><br />Personally, I'd go ahead and publish the letter.<br /><br />The only thing you have to bear in mind is confidentiality. In some circumstances breach of confidentiality is actionable. But even if he put "confidential" on the letter, that doesn't necessarily mean that you have a duty of confidentiality towards him. I'm not really an expert on this (copyright is more my thing), but it would be hard to argue that you owe him a duty of confidentiality in the circumstances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41995258315316209112009-07-19T18:43:42.827-04:002009-07-19T18:43:42.827-04:00Wow, the way you are being treated, especially wit...Wow, the way you are being treated, especially with the letter threatening you with a lawsuit, is similar to the way that the Church of Scientology treats those former members that dare to speak out against their church. I guess all cults are pretty much the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82434566020189826812009-07-15T09:06:10.780-04:002009-07-15T09:06:10.780-04:00Anyone that was in this church prior to the "...Anyone that was in this church prior to the "Locust Invasion" knows that Jesus was the reason for success. Lindsay made sure that Jesus was THE preeminent focus as HE should be. The failure to do this is the real cause for this churchs (any church) failure. Any preacher can give a lukewarm performance in the pulpit. Sayng semi-spiritual things, tipping the spiritual hat to the SAVIOR. But someone like Lindsay who really knew the Lord and who really lived to preach "JESUS" to the lost and to grow the church in the knowledge of the Word. that man would succeed behind a pulpit because Jesus was his reason for being there. We don't see these men anymore.<br /><br />But please Osteen, Stanley Jr., and Young Jr., are a worse thought to contemplate for a sick church than we currently have, if you are looking for a spiritual Christ centerd church where SALVATION is the focus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38991507214809628302009-07-14T13:23:29.160-04:002009-07-14T13:23:29.160-04:00Funny how no one was caring what Mac and Maurilio ...Funny how no one was caring what Mac and Maurilio had to say before they inherited FBC Dallas, and then moved on to FBC Jax. It is their positions they now hold that gives them any credibility with the next generation. Yet, ironically, Mac has never built or started or grown anything. And then, he still hasn't shown he can take something already existing, to the next level, as Joel Osteen, Andy Stanley, Ed Young, Jr. were able to do. Mac has done nothing but take, criticize, promote himself, and then leave for the next job. <br /><br />The emperor has no clothes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13481230632715477812009-07-14T13:20:24.061-04:002009-07-14T13:20:24.061-04:00Good observations anons. The most surprising thin...Good observations anons. The most surprising thing to me is how quickly Mac and Maurilio were able to kill it. I thought it would take longer since they inherited a church that was taught to love Jesus and was taught to tithe obediently. And a church that had the Bible preached via Lindsey and Vines for decades. No shallow, lukewarm Christians here, but as Vines and Lindsey used to tell us, the cream of the crop. And M & M were still able to tear it down in under 3 years. <br /><br />Not that big a deal really, in the eternal view of things. The only thing that really bothers me is that this guy (both guys) are leading and influencing the next generation of pastors with their marketing and branding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55637917829145622902009-07-14T12:31:49.552-04:002009-07-14T12:31:49.552-04:00I would say, in my opinion, that FBCJ would have ...I would say, in my opinion, that FBCJ would have to climb several steps upward just to become mediocre. Most of the people that through the years helped make this church great (if still living) have had the forsight to LEAVE. Taking their spiritual wisdom and service with them. Those that have stayed with the "spiritually sinking ship", NOW have the church they want and deserve. What a sad end to what was a strong fortress for the Lord. The MAIN theme for FBCJ in the past was getting people saved and growing them and other members in Grace and knowledge of the SAVIOR! It is now a political business existing for the benefit of the "ruling class". Very, very sad! And NO everyone is NOT welcome!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83996696735853698182009-07-14T11:20:19.480-04:002009-07-14T11:20:19.480-04:00" Someday, you all will learn first hand how ..." Someday, you all will learn first hand how dirty these guys fight."<br /><br />LESSON LEARNED - TRUE STATEMENT!<br />Members know the "staff players" and their "select chosen" . . .members who are on the books but no longer attend and have stopped giving to the Bank of FBC . . <br /><br />Sad that this one top church in the nation has become to be just "mediocre".<br /><br />The Mayor of Jacksonville appointed individuals to be a part of a group to be a "watchgroup" to help with the "crime" in our city. <br /><br />Florida Times Union printed article with attendance of the community leaders - the appointed FBC representive attended one (1) time throughout the year (as best my memory recalls) and was on the bottom for his attendance. <br /><br />Look around FBC defenders and critics of this blog - it is reality that we at FBC have become a "Mediocre Church" and no longer recognized as top dog in the city of Jacksonville. <br /><br />We members of FBC are not "bullies" or "trouble makers" and have never been - we are the very people who made this church to be ranked as one of the top in the nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32996613541155184882009-07-13T23:52:56.298-04:002009-07-13T23:52:56.298-04:00Just think of how refreshing that might have been ...Just think of how refreshing that might have been had you revealed your real name when you started this blog. People might have actually found you believable.<br /><br />July 12, 2009 7:52 PM<br /><br />Well,since we know what snake in the grass strategies they used to GET his name, we can only imagine what they would have done. It would not be pretty and Tom probably would have been hurt worse. I have witnessed what these guys do with dissenters. It ain't pretty. I know in one case where rumors were started on a dissenter that he was a homosexuals. By a mega church pastor protecting his turf! This same type rumor was also started on someone who dared disagree with another SBC entity. Someday, you all will learn first hand how dirty these guys fight.<br /><br /> Since they have proven what type of people they are, leaders who ignore scripture and will stoop pretty low to protect their turf...just remember, you have been warned. But as long as you always agree and hand over your money, you should be ok.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13041718932854968622009-07-13T21:52:34.394-04:002009-07-13T21:52:34.394-04:00Anon 2:37 You are very astute. Back when John and ...Anon 2:37 You are very astute. Back when John and Charles Wesley preached they started at Sun up and quit at Sun down in open fields with crowds of a few thousand to twenty thousand all over England. Times have changed and unfortunately a lot of these large buildings are just that "large buildings" where nothing spiritual happens anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63569490249376023302009-07-13T14:37:24.195-04:002009-07-13T14:37:24.195-04:00I was speaking to my wife about mega-churches last...I was speaking to my wife about mega-churches last night and weddings. One thing about the old stye of church buildings is that they worked very well in conducting weddings. Mega-church auditorium styles make everything feel distant. The personal approach seems to be disapearing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54908175430333553442009-07-12T21:59:18.694-04:002009-07-12T21:59:18.694-04:00It was very hot today. I am glad I found a SHADY p...It was very hot today. I am glad I found a SHADY piece of LAND to get out of the sun. Free shade, what a DEAL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90274005779749561422009-07-12T21:58:12.063-04:002009-07-12T21:58:12.063-04:00I find Tom, and this blog, very believable since i...I find Tom, and this blog, very believable since it pointed out the land gift that I later confirmed by a public records deed. He spoke of a commercial for Collins Builders, which was confirmed by those in attendance. He spoke of by-law changes and how that was handled which was confirmed by deacons and other members. He pointed out nepotism, which is truth for all to see. He pointed out the pastor living on Amelia Island in a million dollar ocean front condo, which again, was not refuted. He pointed out what the pastor wrote in his guidebook while doing exactly what he counseled others not to do. So what part would have been more "believable" had he put his name on the blog?<br /><br />And once he DID "put his name on it", he was called a sociopath by the pastor on the front page of the largest newspaper in north Florida.<br /><br />And HIS believability is an issue for some of you blind, gullible, kool-aid drinkers? Give us a break.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69529966240648039542009-07-12T19:52:42.677-04:002009-07-12T19:52:42.677-04:00Hurrah for openness, honesty, and transparency! I...Hurrah for openness, honesty, and transparency! Its great to see that you are now telling your real name on Baptist Life. <br /><br />Just think of how refreshing that might have been had you revealed your real name when you started this blog. People might have actually found you believable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72557298229908524122009-07-12T19:39:42.422-04:002009-07-12T19:39:42.422-04:00Have you ever wondered why the Great Shepherd was ...Have you ever wondered why the Great Shepherd was a good shepherd. Think about it. <br /><br />He was the one looking after the sheep. He protected the sheep. He told them where to find a meal, where to locate a coin, where to find an inn, a colt, a place to find water. He prepared them a meal. He went without so that they would not. He prayed for them. He showed them the way. He cried for them. He looked turned the other cheek. He never threw a stone, told a lie, or compromised. He healed their sick relatives and friends. He raised the dead. He never embarrassed anyone at anytime. He shed his own blood not theirs. He died for them. You won't find much of anything of consequence that they did for him.<br /><br />Why can't pastors pick up on this attribute of the Father and the Son and be a blessing to their flock rather than a stumbling block? Such a pity to have all of the above and many more facts about the Lord, and have pastors ignore it as though it never happened. And they opt for having praises given to them. So narrow minded. So unloving. So unkind. Nothing like the Son.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18927763187561901542009-07-12T17:42:38.114-04:002009-07-12T17:42:38.114-04:00Well everyone knows by now that SLyon is Watchdog....<i>Well everyone knows by now that SLyon is Watchdog</i>...<br /><br />I've been wondering why no one seems to have figured that out before now. It's been right under your noses the whole time, at least since <a href="http://newbbcopenforum.blogspot.com/2009/04/whos-really-sociopath-here.html" rel="nofollow">April 9th</a>.<br /><br />Did anyone read the subpoenas from the JSO to Google? Watchdog posted those on <a href="http://fbcjaxwatchdog.blogspot.com/2009/03/subpoenas-unmasking-baptist-bloggers.html" rel="nofollow">March 28th</a>. Hint: Read the second one.<br /><br />For some inexplicable reason they put the SLyons e-mail address and the NBBCOF on the same inexplicable subpoena. Still scratching my head over that one.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21035591678357422812009-07-12T16:02:49.020-04:002009-07-12T16:02:49.020-04:00Mannnn....what is IT with pastors these days? Used...Mannnn....what is IT with pastors these days? Used to be pastors were Men of God and politicians were Noble Statesmen. Now it's one dirty scandle after the other. When you can't trust the government or the church, who can you trust in the public. Just makes me want to wash my hands of the whole mess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22211047042426773602009-07-12T15:58:15.250-04:002009-07-12T15:58:15.250-04:00It was no accident that I revealed at BL that slyo...It was no accident that I revealed at BL that slyons is the watchdog. Wilcox sent me a private msg leading me to believe he would out me. Frankly (popular word these days) I am surprised it wasn't disclosed earlier since I did not attempt to conceal slyons was subpoened by the sherrifs office. Lately my posts at BL as Slyons were to defend myself against the accusations and false statements posted by wilcox. More on this later...I will continue to post at BL using My real name as soon as they activate my acct.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1557359615351963042009-07-12T15:05:51.084-04:002009-07-12T15:05:51.084-04:00Well everyone knows by now that SLyon is Watchdog,...Well everyone knows by now that SLyon is Watchdog, for Watchdog revealed <a href="http://forums.baptistlife.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7116&start=25#p98921" rel="nofollow">here</a>,in Baptist Life Forums. Also <a href="http://forums.baptistlife.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7381" rel="nofollow">this post</a>.<br /><br />I am convinced this outing (self-outing) was not accidental. I am sure lot of people sympathize with Watchdog here, for his tireless efforts to defend himself and turn the arguments more on Fbc Jax and Mac Brunson, rather than on him. Also it is very hard to maintain pseudonyms or remain anonymous with lot of writings of posts and comments.<br />-----------------------------------<br />Off Topic:<br /><br /><a href="http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/12/who-is-upton-sinclair-weekend-comment-competition/" rel="nofollow">The Baseline Scenario > Who Is Upton Sinclair?</a>.<br /><i>Then <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton_Sinclair" rel="nofollow">Upton Sinclair </a>published <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle" rel="nofollow">The Jungle</a>. No one could look at meat packing or its products in the same way again, and this directly and immediately helped produce stronger federal legislation regulating the industry.<br /><br />So who is our Upton Sinclair and when will they write the definitive piece that captures imaginations and changes the terms of the debate? Is it about how consumers were mistreated, politicians captured, or the public treasury ransacked? Will it be a novel or nonfiction?</i>.<br /><br /><a href="http://baselinescenario.com/2009/07/11/how-to-win-friends-and-influence-people/" rel="nofollow">The Baseline Scenario > How to Win Friends and Influence People</a>.<br /><i>An old friend of mine asked me for some advice about how to increase readership for his blog. I was going to write him a long email, but I thought if I put it here other people can chime in as well</i>.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30314939609473974602009-07-12T12:21:14.548-04:002009-07-12T12:21:14.548-04:00Slightly off topic …
Pastor accused of identity ...Slightly off topic …<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ocala.com/article/20090707/ARTICLES/907079955" rel="nofollow"> Pastor accused of identity fraud in car purchase</a><br /><br />Now don’t forget to send your credit card info to that dude in Texas with a cell phone if you want to go on the Danube River Cruise ….Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613931887262871062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27789988399519422482009-07-12T10:05:37.817-04:002009-07-12T10:05:37.817-04:00BBCOF, You have inspired me:
Find the riddle here...BBCOF, You have inspired me:<br /><br />Find the riddle here,<br />Read this post carefully,<br />And don't forget to look for clues,<br />None are hard to find,<br />Know that you are warm,<br /><br />Hang on you're almost done,<br />About to be complete,<br />Read a few more lines,<br />But read between them too,<br />Every line begins with importance,<br />Realize the subject of this post.Former FBC Insiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14110678455091719881noreply@blogger.com