tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6710335482094588972..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Disgraced Preachers - The Word is "Malpractice"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25043211180023638812010-07-10T15:19:16.152-04:002010-07-10T15:19:16.152-04:00The truth of the great Caner conspiracy is finally...The truth of the great Caner conspiracy is finally out:<br /><br /><a href="http://babyloniansquirrel.blogspot.com/2010/07/difficult-confession.html" rel="nofollow">A Difficult Confession</a>Junksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14422651080120306816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57146113438425977602010-07-09T10:46:48.279-04:002010-07-09T10:46:48.279-04:00I am amazed by the amount of minimizing that conti...I am amazed by the amount of minimizing that continues to go on concerning Michael Caner. His supporters call him "innocent" and his detractors just charge "lying." Both miss the mark. The record seems pretty clear that Michael Caner transformed into Ergund Caner after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. He used the deaths of nearly 3,000 human beings as his big break into the "show business" of Evangelical Christian church in America. With the skillful eye of one well-practiced in deceit, he saw fear in his "marks" and played them. HE CONDUCTED HIMSELF LIKE A CON-MAN. Ergund Caner exploited the deaths of nearly 3,000 men, women and children in order to gain status and wealth. He isn't just a liar, and he doesn't belong in a seminary classroom. He belongs in prison.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30697218598320347712010-07-09T10:45:38.660-04:002010-07-09T10:45:38.660-04:00Watchdog,
Check this one from Pyromaniacs
And ple...Watchdog,<br />Check this one from Pyromaniacs<br /><br />And please note Geislers take on a different mythmaker.<br /><br />How I Learned the Hard Way that Pious Gullibility Is No Virtue<br />by Phil Johnson<br />http://teampyro.blogspot.com/gary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18609484078391193112010-07-08T23:52:03.914-04:002010-07-08T23:52:03.914-04:00Hey,
Someone send Brumley this.Hey,<br /><br />Someone send Brumley <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7871463/BP-oil-spill-churches-demand-compensation-from-BP-after-loss-of-income.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90317130212628386912010-07-08T23:26:19.082-04:002010-07-08T23:26:19.082-04:00An anonymous poster posted the following comment t...An anonymous poster posted the following comment tonight, on a previous article:<br /><br />"You'll be happy to know that NJBC has cancelled Dr. Caner's appearance. So now, instead of talking bad about a man of God that you know NOTHING about, perhaps you can stop. Not all preachers are bad people for pity's sake. "<br /><br />Anon who posted this - how do you know that NJBC canceled, and it wasn't Ergun Caner? And why on earth would they cancel Caner?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18209712318744081172010-07-08T21:17:05.959-04:002010-07-08T21:17:05.959-04:00If this had not spread to the print media,Caner mi...If this had not spread to the print media,Caner might still have his job.<br /> I think the internet is a two way street. Sometimes the print media feed off the work done by bloggers, sometimes it's the other way around. Keep up the good work.Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11104981732733112853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89717426239985737142010-07-08T20:05:31.587-04:002010-07-08T20:05:31.587-04:00Some of these megas want it all...money, power, an...Some of these megas want it all...money, power, and above all PRESTIGE. Jesus NEVER HAD any money, HELD BACK his power, and taught how a pastor or leader should be a SERVANT not the HEAD an organization or business. <br /><br />There is going to be an accounting in Heaven for all of these apostate preachers. Unfortunately, the members who suffer down here will have to wait awhile longer for this accounting to take place. Seldom do the deacon boards ever say they are sorry. They will hide things to proclaim "we didn't want to embarrass the church". What they really mean is that they didn't want everyone to know just how bad their decisions were in hiring some of these personalities!!!<br /><br />You do realize some of these pastor contracts carry very high penalties if the church removes them prior to their contract ending date. Some just never learn and its called discernment. There needs to be a school for discernment because it is surely LACKING!!!! Spiritual discernment is rare in most pulpits today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50253838935975763862010-07-08T18:34:20.745-04:002010-07-08T18:34:20.745-04:00"I say that guys like Mitchell should stay th..."I say that guys like Mitchell should stay there and fight for their school, and do their best to hold their leadership accountable."<br /><br />That sounds nice but let's take a look at that in practice. The "leadership" signs his paycheck. He answers to the Board and to Falwell. <br /><br />So far, what have we seen from the board and Falwell?<br /><br />These types of places are extremely hierarchical. If anything, they will have more influence on Dan than he will have on them.<br /><br />I am always astonished that people will take "words" and believe them over actual deeds.<br /><br />Will we hear more "words" from Dan on his position of Caner's innocence and Liberty's continuation of allowing a liar to teach young minds?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31932830316498199442010-07-08T18:14:03.623-04:002010-07-08T18:14:03.623-04:00Anonymous at 11:06 obviously doesn't know Dan ...Anonymous at 11:06 obviously doesn't know Dan Mitchell. Mitchell and many of his colleagues have been invested in Liberty for decades. They've watched as this or that "celebrity" (singer, coach, preacher, professor, etc.) would come and go, and have stayed the course. Liberty has done well in naming Mitchell as the interim dean. It will be to their discredit if they pass him over for consideration as a permanent dean in order to bring in a "name".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17530395782606478562010-07-08T17:21:58.813-04:002010-07-08T17:21:58.813-04:00Off Topic.
Your views on tithing
Tithing — givin...Off Topic.<br /><br /><a href="http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-07-08/story/your-views-tithing" rel="nofollow">Your views on tithing</a><br /><br /><i>Tithing — giving 10 percent of your income to a religious organization — may be relatively easy to practice in good times. But what about when times get tough? If you're someone who has adjusted your tithing due to economic circumstances, or kept your giving steady, contact Times-Union religion writer Jeff Brumley at jeff.brumley@jacksonville.com. Be sure to include a daytime phone number and let us know if you are willing to be contacted for an interview.</i>Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613931887262871062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14634530494314321012010-07-08T16:26:28.053-04:002010-07-08T16:26:28.053-04:00Yeah, go the church discipline route and watch the...Yeah, go the church discipline route and watch the internet explode with websites that will bring Baptist to their knees, literally.<br /><br />It was be the nail in the coffin and the Armageddon for that denomination! <br /><br />Three years later I am still battling those who thought that church discipline without notification was the best way to handle me exposing sin in the camp of a pastor and his staff.<br /><br /> When you expose the Pastor's son FOR being in PORNOGRAPHY AND HIS MUSIC MINISTER FOR PORN.... AND THEN HIS "DISCIPLED DEACONS" WANT TO Tell THE THE CHURCH A LIE SUCH AS " WE ARE GOING TO TELL THE CHURCH, HE IS RESIGNING DUE TO HEALTH REASON".........<br /><br />I just did the simple thing and told the truth. <br /><br />Truth is something many of those "within the Baptist Mafia" hate!<br /><br />Need I say more...Church discipline? Yeah get the shovels ready BaptistDoug Pittmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47813129520522030462010-07-08T16:00:48.499-04:002010-07-08T16:00:48.499-04:00I cannot speak for Dan Mitchell's leadership s...I cannot speak for Dan Mitchell's leadership skills beyond the level of the classroom, but having taken his theology classes, he is a good choice for this time. He seeks theological precision, but does not do so as contentiously as Caner (who taught two of my classes). In many ways, he is the opposite of Caner, which makes sense in the given situation. <br /><br />If he leads as dean with the same level head that he exercises in training people in theological matters (including opponents), the school will be able to make critical adjustments and move forward gracefully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13215573244868641092010-07-08T13:52:12.667-04:002010-07-08T13:52:12.667-04:00Just wait my friends, Mac Brunson will some way fi...Just wait my friends, Mac Brunson will some way find a reason to bring Caner back to the pulpit @ FBCJ to defend the two of them - they both feel bloggers are their "Public Enemies" because of mispoken words they said. Of course they will do so with fake sobbing.<br /><br />Debbie Kauffman is right, we are a mess and reason people are leaving the environment of celebrity preachers and the mega churches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67957024148160132152010-07-08T13:32:12.254-04:002010-07-08T13:32:12.254-04:00"...we grieve, Lord, about those people who h..."...we grieve, Lord, about those people who have been in spiritual leadership and have sinned and have lost their integrity and when their integrity was lost, Your honor was lost and they have dishonored You and they have not adorned the doctrine of God, but they've smudged it and smeared it with their iniquity. <br /><br />O Father, may we be like David who shepherded in the integrity of his heart and the skill of his hands. We want to be skillful but with the skill must come the integrity. Give us leaders of integrity who are faithful. Make us Christians with integrity, for we too have a world of influence among believers and unbelievers. We too bring glory to Your name when we live lives of integrity, when we live what we say we believe. Keep us consistent, Lord, that You might be honored, that we might be offering up our lives as spiritual acts of worship to You. And, Father, we're so grateful that Your Holy Spirit can accomplish this in us which in our flesh we could never do, so we plead with You to be gracious and grant us the Spirit who alone can uphold our integrity, for Your glory in Christ's name. Amen." (That's all MacArthur on 2 Cor. 5:11)gary dilworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06447173908213258470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85906581791302438792010-07-08T12:33:03.526-04:002010-07-08T12:33:03.526-04:00And I would add: it is somewhat ironic that many B...<i>And I would add: it is somewhat ironic that many Baptist pastors are advocating to a return of "biblical church discipline" to hold churhc members accountable for their public sins....but Baptist pastors steadfastly refuse any system of accountability for themselves. In fact as we see now, they not only don't want accountability, they are overtly excusing the public sin of one of their biggest named preachers. How sad.</i><br /><br />It is sad, frustrating too. We are a mess. No wonder our numbers are going down. <br /><br />I also agree with you that I am glad Dan Mitchell was chosen after reading the article he wrote. I pray he still believes it as strongly as he did at the time he wrote it. He will be a needed addition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90546955334457543442010-07-08T11:19:16.271-04:002010-07-08T11:19:16.271-04:00Anon - no, that never occured to me. So any person...Anon - no, that never occured to me. So any person who stays at Liberty is not concerned with integrity and truth? I say that guys like Mitchell should stay there and fight for their school, and do their best to hold their leadership accountable.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11594591274979862562010-07-08T11:19:16.272-04:002010-07-08T11:19:16.272-04:00EC's issues must have effects at LU that we do...EC's issues must have effects at LU that we don't hear about. There are certainly some there who recognize and understand the impact of the problem on the school, students and themselves. There is just a lot of downside and no upside to making a fuss.<br /><br />It is time to keep your head down and hope that no student raises the question during some ethics discussion. But I am confident that some are having problems with that.Bennett Willishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01200940136846753450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30721954539917511382010-07-08T11:06:46.502-04:002010-07-08T11:06:46.502-04:00And I would add: it is somewhat ironic that many B...And I would add: it is somewhat ironic that many Baptist pastors are advocating to a return of "biblical church discipline" to hold churhc members accountable for their public sins....but Baptist pastors steadfastly refuse any system of accountability for themselves. In fact as we see now, they not only don't want accountability, they are overtly excusing the public sin of one of their biggest named preachers. How sad.<br /><br />Reminds me of the Catholics: any minister can be defrocked and have his credentials stripped to prevent him from ministering....all except the pope, he can't be defrocked.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21402070076416603302010-07-08T11:06:46.503-04:002010-07-08T11:06:46.503-04:00Has it occured to anyone that if Dan Mitchell were...Has it occured to anyone that if Dan Mitchell were so concerned about integrity and truth, he would leave Liberty? The Leadership of Liberty have already shown their lack of scruples by their reactions and response to this scandal. And they still employ a liar to teach young people.<br /><br />Yes, Dan would be more concerned with truth and integrity than his personal comfort. But that never seems to be the case. Therefore, these men think their "words" mean something. They don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com