tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6736678543840464097..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Pastor's Guidebook: "Do as I Say, Not as I Do" - Part 1FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17467314027291688302008-06-05T18:40:00.000-04:002008-06-05T18:40:00.000-04:00J - it sounds like you have an accurate understand...J - it sounds like you have an accurate understanding of the problems and you have the demeanor to perhaps help lead a turn around? What can be done? Blessings to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40137411181948681552008-06-05T06:16:00.000-04:002008-06-05T06:16:00.000-04:00I stand corrected.If the fellowship and Sunday Sch...I stand corrected.<BR/>If the fellowship and Sunday Schools are not what they were 10 years ago, and they haven't been that way in over 4 years, then perhps FBC is reaping what it has been sowing. Dr. Lindsey taught us, and many many churches followed, that reaching the lost was an intimate, personal work that was accomplished one to one. If that has not been the focus for many years, then the focus has defininately been redirected, and perhaps letting the wrong turn continue. <BR/><BR/>We often discussed what a hard blow it would be when Dr. Lindsey was lost to us, but I never dreamed that in such a short time his leading this flock to keep their eyes on Jesus alone would so quickly diminish. <BR/><BR/>I am truly sorry that the heritage that the Lord produced has been slipping. It does seem that there are many people posting here who see what is going on - perhaps the emails and individual conversations are not enough. In no way would I encourage a "split", but it sounds as though the situation is far too serious for dealing with in the shadows of a blog...perhaps - any deacons here? this should be an open forum - face to face - to address concerns as well as answer questions. My last semester of undergrad work I did an indepth study of Martin Luther. He was an amazing man that God used mightily. He boldly posted his concerns. I do not mean to literally post on the church door, but address them openly with appropriate leaders. <BR/>FBC, however, is merely a symptom. The Body of Christ as a whole is ill. May God heal our lives, homes, and churches to be better representatives of Him.<BR/><BR/>J<BR/><BR/>Peace to all involved. May the Lord be glorified.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53969447721733777852008-06-04T17:07:00.000-04:002008-06-04T17:07:00.000-04:00"You know, all of those books that follow the Old ..."You know, all of those books that follow the Old Testament, the ones that talk about sin, repentance the Blood and the Cross, and how to be Saved."<BR/><BR/>Love the "Quarrelsome" comment.<BR/><BR/>That seems to be the flavor of the blog. Your comment (above) was taken with a sarcastic tone...apologies if mistaken.<BR/><BR/>Do you consider the OT irrelevant and inapplicable in the NT church? As I understand the OT does as well point to sin, repentence, the blood and the cross as well. The Bible need be taught from a wholistic perspective. However, I will not continue this line of chatter because I don't think my pointing out that Dr. Brunson does in fact preach from the N.T. would be sufficient because however much he does would not be enough. Good Day.<BR/>We shall move to the next thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33923371259511494842008-06-04T15:24:00.000-04:002008-06-04T15:24:00.000-04:00Annon 2:36 You are easily confused or just quarrel...Annon 2:36 <BR/>You are easily confused or just quarrelsome. The point being made is,that there is a heavy emphasis on earthly, history rather than the importance of what the word says SPIRITUALLY. History is history is history. The Bible is so much more than that. Jesus said, "MY Word shall not pass away." Not my history shall not pass away. (My wording.) The other point being we get very little preaching or doctrine from the New Testament.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8122501686919499052008-06-04T14:36:00.000-04:002008-06-04T14:36:00.000-04:00Anon of 1:11So are you implying that the Gospels (...Anon of 1:11<BR/><BR/>So are you implying that the Gospels (the N.T.) (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) are not historical of the life of Jesus and that Biblical history is not related to World History? That the historical letters written to the churches in Corinth, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc. are not historical? The fact that Jesus died on the cross for our sin already happened and isn't historical....even lost people consider Jesus an historical figure.....are you trying to confuse me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9869308185050826572008-06-04T13:11:00.000-04:002008-06-04T13:11:00.000-04:00Annon. of ll:50 Concerning your...Annon. of ll:50 <BR/><BR/>Concerning your comment about the Bible being history. The Bible is about BIBLICAL history, not about world history used as Bible history. Plus, there is the future spoken of in the NEW TESTAMENT.<BR/>You know, all of those books that follow the Old Testament, the ones that talk about sin, repentance the Blood and the Cross, and how to be Saved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73596363597213903162008-06-04T12:56:00.000-04:002008-06-04T12:56:00.000-04:00Anon 12:10,That's fine. You can call me a blind, g...Anon 12:10,<BR/><BR/>That's fine. You can call me a blind, gullible sheep. It's not the first time. What else you got?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55798843140552268182008-06-04T12:48:00.000-04:002008-06-04T12:48:00.000-04:00Anon - I'll run the blog as long as I want. It's m...Anon - I'll run the blog as long as I want. It's my blog. If you don't like it, tough. Or start your own blog about my blog, and how I should stop my blog. I will not be blogging forever, and I will wind it down when I'm ready.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3763820266465896742008-06-04T12:43:00.000-04:002008-06-04T12:43:00.000-04:00I think you forgot to say "Yeee Haaawwwwww", Anon ...I think you forgot to say "Yeee Haaawwwwww", Anon 12:22 PM.<BR/><BR/>Dog, I'm not suprised you can't stop your own blog. You say one thing and do another. How ironic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31556267911859869052008-06-04T12:22:00.000-04:002008-06-04T12:22:00.000-04:00I am personally tired of all sermons starting off ...I am personally tired of all sermons starting off with statements like "In 1492,Columbus sailed the ocean blue". Who cares! Give me that Old Time Religion!!! Its all about JESUS, if not its not worthwhile, PERIOD!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60973522826877550572008-06-04T12:10:00.000-04:002008-06-04T12:10:00.000-04:00Robert: You might be one of those sheep on the fro...Robert: You might be one of those sheep on the front of Brunsons book, being led into Purpose Driven, while being assured you are not going there. There are those that are adept at getting their way, while reassuring us who oppose them.... Cells, Satellites,,School,Any Bible Version,(your copy of Gods Word),Visitation doesn't work,Sunday School workers are now Facilitators, the lost are now Unchured,(it makes them feel more Seeker Sensitive comfortable, Ecumenicalism( from the GREEK meaning from the whole world) History as opposed to Doctrine,and one of the BIG marks of Purpose Driven is to Mark those who voice any opposition, or resistance to going PD. Rick Warren states "You may have to get rid of the pillars of the church as they just hold things up" This is certainly a Godly perspective isn't it. Many of us are not blind sheep to be led in any direction. As for myself, I have never blindly followed anyone because they told me too. I follow JESUS AND THE WORD OF GOD. <BR/><BR/>Robert, as some others, I think you may be Star Struck. I think you mean well, but climb over the fence and take another look. Where there is SO Much smoke there is certainly fire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41608533301407873282008-06-04T11:50:00.000-04:002008-06-04T11:50:00.000-04:00Excuse me, but is not the Bible itself History? Is...Excuse me, but is not the Bible itself History? Is it not refreshing to see how the Bible which many of us cling to and use as the authority of our faith and the guidebook by which we try to live our lives by is relevant and real and happened. Understanding historical context and how the Bible fits within the "history" we were taught in school growing up. I believe my Christian walk and biblical understanding is improving and my biblical thinking is growing in everyday life. The Bible is the ultimate History Book!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8737673936246221792008-06-04T11:36:00.000-04:002008-06-04T11:36:00.000-04:00Jon that Theology Driven stuff won't hunt here bro...Jon that Theology Driven stuff won't hunt here brother. That is late coming elite talk. We know that Smyrl brought that in from Southeastern presbyterians. It Ain't BAPTIST. Look around you. The church is filled with Purpose Driven. The pastor continues to say one thing and do another. Jon, it is what the PD preachers do. They will deny it until there is no turning back. Jon you tell me where the changes are coming from? I will check you out. Brunson sent Rodney to Hybels church for some training. Go ask him. Call up Willow Creek Association and see if we did not send a group out there for training. Is Hybels PD? You know he is! Check me out. Facts are Facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69658917745998282822008-06-04T11:06:00.000-04:002008-06-04T11:06:00.000-04:00WRITTEN,Pastor Brunson said he is not implementing...WRITTEN,<BR/><BR/><BR/>Pastor Brunson said he is not implementing the purpose driven ideaologies into our church. So why are you stuck on this issue and why do you continue to think our church is becoming a purpose driven church? We aren't. Our church is not purpose driven, it's theology driven. That's where we're headed. So get on board or look for another ship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-39074818466738665982008-06-04T11:00:00.000-04:002008-06-04T11:00:00.000-04:00The problem with Dr. Brunson is,he is using his wr...The problem with Dr. Brunson is,he is using his wrong MAJOR from college. He majored in HISTORY and Bible. When you step into the pulpit you are to MAJOR ON BIBLE not on history. He has become the Dr. of history rather than the Dr. of doctrine. I love history but as someone has said I would rather hear HIS-story.(Jesus) Yes, stay the course Watchdog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44812410106023212332008-06-04T10:56:00.000-04:002008-06-04T10:56:00.000-04:00Robert I am not calling Dr.Brunson a false prophet...Robert I am not calling Dr.Brunson a false prophet,but Rick Warren "is" and PD is an apostate philosophy.Apologists Dave Hunt and Dr.John MacAuthur have both refuted Warren's books(purpose driven life and church).Even Rick Warren himself and Hybels have both publicly admitted that this(PD) ideaology has left their church member Biblically ignorant.Now if Dr.Brunson is attempting to implement this ideaology into 1st Baptist what do you think the end results will be?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90332032358573820692008-06-04T09:35:00.000-04:002008-06-04T09:35:00.000-04:00WRITTEN,Our pastor is not a false shepherd if that...WRITTEN,<BR/><BR/>Our pastor is not a false shepherd if that is what you are implying. And he is not teaching any false doctrine.<BR/><BR/>An example of a <B>false shepherd</B> teaching false doctrine would be someone like <B>JEREMIAH WRIGHT</B> or <B>JOEL OSTEEN</B>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25931923403022827382008-06-04T09:31:00.000-04:002008-06-04T09:31:00.000-04:00WD We are witnessing a conflict in our country. T...WD We are witnessing a conflict in our country. The conflict between CHANGE and that which has worked. We who have grown up here at FBC JAX have used the word change to mean; improve upon that which has worked. We have been led by faithful ministers of the word. Those men who have preached Jesus from cover to cover in the bible. Those who believe in the NEW meaning of CHANGE say that you can not do that which has worked any more. So there is the conflict. Here at FBC JAX many of our members believe that these NEW changes that the Brunson team has brought with them are in error; and have come from a man who is in error. Rick Warren. Many across the country are anxious and fearful that this PD movement will damage the cause of Christ and will destroy many more churches. As a high profile church,FBC JAX is seen as a pivotal church. If we can be duped into following this apostate movement then others may think that the PD movement must be right. We members of FBC JAX who are against this sort of change will war against it. This blog, I hope, will continue to show both sides. If I am wrong God will reveal that to us. If the change agents are wrong then they must change. Therefore WD, stay the course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56337129017265552852008-06-04T09:09:00.000-04:002008-06-04T09:09:00.000-04:00If some of you are not willing to examine what I c...If some of you are not willing to examine what I consider legitimate concerns by Watchdog then please explain to me the consistant warnings in the New Testament to BEWARE OF FALSE SHEPHERDS AND FALSE DOCTRINES.Paul commended th Bereans for verifying what Paul said by the scriptures[Acts 17:11].Paul also warned of a coming APOSTASY; Is it confronting the world to today or is that only for future generation? Someone please explain to me what the Apostle Paul was referring to concerning the great apostasy in 2Thes.2:1-3.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86517076164532854132008-06-04T09:08:00.000-04:002008-06-04T09:08:00.000-04:00The church will never be the same again.This is no...<I>The church will never be the same again.</I><BR/><BR/>This is not always a bad thing. It can be a bad thing but because some people do not like the direction or the leadership does not make it bad.<BR/><BR/>I listened to a few of Dr. Brunsons sermons (on Inlight) where he is listed as Pastor of First <B>Baptist</B> Jacksonville (there goes the PD theory).<BR/><BR/>I then read a few of Dr. Vines books, which are basically his sermons in print. <BR/><BR/>Both are good expositions of the passage covered. Some could take Dr. Brunson's words personally and probably ought to.<BR/><BR/>The problem most do not see but quickly convey is that things are not the same.<BR/><BR/>A few questions...<BR/><BR/>1 - What did Dr. Vines make?<BR/>2 - Did he ever receive any gift of significance, other than at retirement?<BR/>3 - Did he ever travel and was invited to travel because he was pastor of FBCJ?<BR/><BR/>Question follow up for # 1 - Are you sure and can you show it? # 2 - Are you sure and if you found out differently would it be of concern? # 3 - Absolutely.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-75731247308054931922008-06-03T23:18:00.000-04:002008-06-03T23:18:00.000-04:00Anon - I get many more emails from people to keep ...Anon - I get many more emails from people to keep it open...and the readership continues to increase in number and geographic reach. Over 500 vists and 1000 page view per day, and growing.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59500976859825330942008-06-03T23:15:00.000-04:002008-06-03T23:15:00.000-04:00Yes WD you need to keep this blog open. From wh...Yes WD you need to keep this blog open. From what we have seen here today there are people from all over the country who are interested in what is happening at First Jax. There is Sin in the camp. They see it everywhere and they are surprised when they find it here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91619305774139561202008-06-03T23:00:00.000-04:002008-06-03T23:00:00.000-04:00I was going to shut it down very soon, but I keep ...I was going to shut it down very soon, but I keep getting egg'd on my Mr. BB - he helps me see that the people of FBC Jax are in need of a watchdog. So I think maybe we'll just have to keep it going a bit longer, as I have a number of more posts before the final post. We shall see. Keep those God honoring emails a comin' BB!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71415298119672073722008-06-03T22:54:00.000-04:002008-06-03T22:54:00.000-04:00I thought this blog was shutting down? Perhaps it...I thought this blog was shutting down? Perhaps it is high time for that to happen since it seems to have degenerated into something that surely does not honor the Lord. <BR/><BR/>Please end it soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9758528454148740982008-06-03T22:33:00.000-04:002008-06-03T22:33:00.000-04:00Anon 8:05 The question you ask is important. Wh...Anon 8:05 The question you ask is important. What is Macs philosophy concerning Winning Souls or Making Disciples. Rick Warren said, "Simply stated,we are to make disciples,not converts. This means we have the responsibility to consciously do things that will result in new christians growning tword spiritual maturity." If Mac is following Rick Warren, Mac's friend, that could be why there is no emphesis on SOUL WINNING at FIRST JACKSONVILLE . I have heard that the Bylaws have been changed to major on education. If we are to make disciples not converts, does that take us out of Soul Winning? And, if there is no need for Soul Winning, does that make us CALVINIST? If the members are waiting to see if they will be a strong SOUL WINNING church again, they may have a long waite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com