tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post6906621199984157387..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Let's All Go to the Holy Land!!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30893881055759371262008-06-12T21:13:00.000-04:002008-06-12T21:13:00.000-04:00First let me say, thank you to Mr. Peeples for bei...First let me say, thank you to Mr. Peeples for being a man of honor and integrity. Only bitter, resentful people start nasty, venom-spewing blogs like this Watchdog person. I am disgusted by the way this Watchdog criticizes OUR Pastor, the leader of our flock....I know Dr. Brunson personally and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is a man of God. I have not frequented this blog as I truly feel it isn't pleasing to the Lord, especially when it is full of bitterness, complaining, resentful and petty opinions expressed by a handful of people. The majority of people at FBC love our pastor and support him. Mr. Watchdog......isn't it time to stop this nonesense? Don't you realize you are the one that is not being Christ-like? Don't you realize you are being used by the Devil to do his work? I am praying for you, that you stop this absurd blog. You are trying your best to drag a Godly man and his family through the mud, let's do something constructive and stop this before damage to our beloved pastor and his family is done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32095586120443267042008-06-09T12:23:00.000-04:002008-06-09T12:23:00.000-04:00Mr. Peeples, you are a fool if you think Mac Bruns...Mr. Peeples, you are a fool if you think Mac Brunson is paying his on way and his family's way!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38353636600607000002008-06-09T12:21:00.000-04:002008-06-09T12:21:00.000-04:00You can bet that "the Brunson family" means just t...You can bet that "the Brunson family" means just that. If it meant just Mac and Debbie it would have said that. And you can bet all of them will play some role to justify it, like teaching a Bible class, or maybe Trey is "putting it all together all by himself" like he did at one of the conventions. They did this when they were at FBC Dallas and got by with it so why should they stop now? But people can post comments all day long on this blog and it will do no good. Unless the church members get together and do something about it, it will keep on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1959773682910356572008-06-06T20:22:00.000-04:002008-06-06T20:22:00.000-04:00robert l. peeples said:"God wants you to be in a c...robert l. peeples said:<BR/><BR/>"God wants you to be in a church where you can grow as a believer and minister to the lost in your town or city. If you feel that there is a hindrance in your current church, (such as a CEO pastor that many people think is a greedy and selfish pastor) preventing you from doing these things, then PLEASE find another church. It's what God wants for each of his children."<BR/><BR/>June 6, 2008 2:25 PM<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Since you seem to know what God wants for other people, at least back that up with Scripture. I don't know of anywhere in the Bible that tells us to ignore the wrong in the church, and if we don't like it, to go away. Show us, Robert. With Scripture, in context.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43214133424658113792008-06-06T16:03:00.000-04:002008-06-06T16:03:00.000-04:00Annon: 2:19 & 2:25Thank you both for providing exa...Annon: 2:19 & 2:25<BR/><BR/>Thank you both for providing examples to support my comments. This type of attitude to those of us who helped build this church, but have either been "advised" to move on so we can be blessed, or disparaged personally is exactly what many of us have faced. But like most experiences in life I guess, you must have it happen to you before you understand. Remember what your attitude has been toward others when you face similar experiences in life.<BR/><BR/>Remember this one "Do unto others as you would have done unto you."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89775030242732217992008-06-06T14:25:00.000-04:002008-06-06T14:25:00.000-04:00Anon 12:42,I have a few comments regarding this pa...Anon 12:42,<BR/><BR/>I have a few comments regarding this part of your comment:<BR/><BR/><I>I have heard the callous remarks: "Well, if you don't like it leave." Who are they to tell , to LEAVE. Thus, adding insult to injury.</I><BR/><BR/>God wants you to be in a church where you can grow as a believer and minister to the lost in your town or city. If you feel that there is a hindrance in your current church, (such as a CEO pastor that many people think is a greedy and selfish pastor) preventing you from doing these things, then PLEASE find another church. It's what God wants for each of his children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86370175231434356022008-06-06T14:21:00.000-04:002008-06-06T14:21:00.000-04:00Has Mac Brunson lost his first love? Are the worl...Has Mac Brunson lost his first love? Are the worldly things in life more important, than the GOSPEL. Are riches and lust getting the best of him? He rarely preaches the GOSPEL. WOE, is right. Were does he get that kind of heart? Some have said it comes from Rick Warren or Bill Hybels. It could be Rick and Bill's MENTOR Robert Schuller. Is Mac Brunson following the MENTOR? Here is what Schuller said about REPENTING. "I don't think anything has been done in the name of Christ and under the banner of christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and , counter productive to the evangelism enterprise than often CRUDE, UNCOUTH, AND UNCHRISTIAN STRATEGY OF ATTEMPTING TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THEIR LOST AND SINFUL CONDITION." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Schuller That is what he said and that is what he believes. He also said that Jesus never said a negative word. Schuller also said "if the gospel of Jesus Christ can be proclaimd as a THEOLOGY OF SELF -ESTEEM, imagine the health this could generate in society." Is this the new THEOLOGY DRIVEN ministry here at FBC JAX? If Dr. Brunson has changed his heart and thinks that Schuller is right; it is no wonder that we seldom here the GOSPEL at FBCJAX. Is this where PURPOSE DRIVEN originated? So, let us see how often Mac preaches the Gospel! Week one: NONE 6/01/2008Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73157246081383681892008-06-06T14:19:00.000-04:002008-06-06T14:19:00.000-04:00maybe, perhaps, possibly, could, wonder...all dang...maybe, perhaps, possibly, could, wonder...all dangerous words. they are words that plant doubt--not state fact. I have read your blog and thought that the point was to point out fact...but these words make yours ideas seem less like facts and more like wishful thinking and uneducated rambling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71085283455224651852008-06-06T12:42:00.000-04:002008-06-06T12:42:00.000-04:00WD: What we have here is a run-away train. Many of...WD: What we have here is a run-away train. Many of these mega preachers do this stuff, and if one does it the others follow suite. The money is there and the temptation is great. What I don't understand is, why does the "church" allow it? I guess they have NO power or say so in the church they support. I guess this is why some churches get the tag "social church". Where is the Spiritual church. To be fair many try to stay and hold on, praying that the church they love(which is sick right now) will survive. I have heard the callous remarks: "Well, if you don't like it leave." Who are they to tell long time members who have built the church to where it is today, to LEAVE. Thus, adding insult to injury. It's like telling someone that has built a beautiful home, that they share with others, to leave, as someone else has taken your home over and you have to leave, no recourse, just leave. Oh, maybe you can stay if you keep your mouth shut, don't make waves, and smile, smile, smile. Makes you sick doesn't it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84695798818177462262008-06-06T11:50:00.000-04:002008-06-06T11:50:00.000-04:00Anno. of 10:42 Maybe the preacher will pay for you...Anno. of 10:42 Maybe the preacher will pay for your trip out of his profits, he has that option to allow some to go free if he chooses, I believe. Then you won't have to be jealous any more. <BR/><BR/>Annon. of ll:29 You forget these "traps" are lined with money! <BR/><BR/>As to talking face to face, you must be kidding. Others have tried that, others have sent SIGNED e.mails with no results or have been marked as disenters. Please make a REASONABLE suggestion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9273573644029854332008-06-06T11:49:00.000-04:002008-06-06T11:49:00.000-04:00Anno. of 10:42 Maybe the preacher will pay for you...Anno. of 10:42 Maybe the preacher will pay for your trip out of his profits, he has that option to allow some to go free if he chooses, I believe. Then you won't have to be jealous any more. <BR/><BR/>Annon. of ll:29 You forget these "traps" are lined with money! <BR/><BR/>As to talking face to face, you must be kidding. Others have tried that, others have sent SIGNED e.mails with no results or have been marked as disenters. Please make a REASONABLE suggestion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4420042024153900412008-06-06T11:41:00.000-04:002008-06-06T11:41:00.000-04:00Anon 10:42You say "all churches do these".But this...Anon 10:42<BR/><BR/>You say "all churches do these".<BR/><BR/>But this trip is not our church, it is a trip hosted personally by Mac Brunson, using his personally selected travel agent in Irving, Texas. This has nothing to do with a ministry of FBC Jax, and thus should not be promoted on our website.<BR/><BR/>This is the same argument I made with the "Night to Stand with Israel". But Mac chooses to use our church resources for events that are not related to the ministry of our church. I don't know why he does it - I suppose because he can. How sad. Where is the "honor" in that?<BR/><BR/>This has nothing to do with my personal jealousy. I'm pointing out that the pastor is abusing his authority by using our church website to promote his own Holy Land trip.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry that my fellow Christians can't see that this is wrong, and that someone in our church, maybe a deacon or trustee should go to the pastor and demand that he not use our church resources in such a manner. Mac Brunson is familiar with practices in the business world, and he uses many of them in the operation of his church, and rightly so. This is a case though where its in his best interests to do something that would never be tolerated in any business - the CEO using the corporate website to advertise a private venture.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32170733252546582112008-06-06T11:29:00.000-04:002008-06-06T11:29:00.000-04:00Please schedule a meeting with Dr. Brunson to addr...Please schedule a meeting with Dr. Brunson to address these issues. He is your brother in Christ and if you feel that your brother is in sin or you have a grievance against your brother, go to him directly. Speak the truth in love. Above all, pray for him and others mega-church pastors that you feel have fallen into the same traps.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87968042070240791872008-06-06T10:42:00.000-04:002008-06-06T10:42:00.000-04:00All churches do these trips, the big churches anyw...All churches do these trips, the big churches anyways. Whats the difference? I myself personally just wish i could go to the Holy Land one time in my life but it doesn't look too likely. It makes me jealous when some people get to go over and over. Don't you think thats your problem too watchdog, you are jealous? I admit i am. I am JEALOUS. Cause i always wanted to go to the Holy Land, and right now i am having trouble getting to San Jose Blvd from my house. But I guess thats God's chosen path for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66493245796851992222008-06-05T20:14:00.000-04:002008-06-05T20:14:00.000-04:00Many things break God's heart. When you quench th...Many things break God's heart. When you quench the Holy Spirit, when you grieve the Holy Spirit, when you have no emphesis on winning souls. Paul said,"For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, WOE is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!" I Cor 9:16 We have discussed many things here brothers and sisters. Do you think maybe we should be thinking of WOE IS UNTO ME; IF I PREACH NOT THE GOSPEL?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9914267189851083072008-06-05T18:02:00.000-04:002008-06-05T18:02:00.000-04:00I wonder which breaks God's heart more. The seekin...I wonder which breaks God's heart more. The seeking of truth in a man's life or the truth giving of the Lord's life?<BR/><BR/>It seems some believe their call is to expose the guilt of another (whether real or perceived) rather than tell lost people about the life changing gift of Jesus.<BR/><BR/>Who knows... not I. Watchdog may be a great soul winner. I hope so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43589571991923431122008-06-05T16:48:00.000-04:002008-06-05T16:48:00.000-04:00Good point Anon. Even if the Watchdog got his answ...Good point Anon. <BR/><BR/>Even if the Watchdog got his answers and they were above reproach, the dog would still be hungry. He would look for the bad and the ugly, even if it wasn't there to begin with. That's what money envying preconceived notions can do to a man's life.<BR/><BR/>Watchdog holding the pastor accountable, doing God's job; Making sure his car isn't to pricey, his house isn't too luxurious and that his church trips are paid for in the proper manner; Reaching into the character of a pastor and trying to destroy it. Questioning a man's leadership, a man who is trying to obey the Lord according to God's call for his life, a man who is trying to reach the lost in Jacksonville, and doing the best he can..<BR/><BR/>How sadAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19845843300245667772008-06-05T16:03:00.000-04:002008-06-05T16:03:00.000-04:00Brother Dog,If all the answers to your questions w...Brother Dog,<BR/><BR/>If all the answers to your questions were given and nothing, I mean nothing, showed any source of wrong, impropriety or anything less than above reproach... where would that leave you?<BR/><BR/>Satisfied, until you get a whiff of some other possible stink. I doubt it. See, what you do is work on possibilities of impropriety or your definition of what improprieties are. I agree with the previous poster who said, basically, there are enough checks and balances in place to keep real wrong from happening on a continual or large basis. If they are not in place then I would recommend that you go back 10 or more years for facts.<BR/><BR/>Longevity does not make a wrong right (as you infer concerning the pastor receiving gifts).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88646630918525573512008-06-05T15:50:00.000-04:002008-06-05T15:50:00.000-04:00How sad. Church members who don't care if their pa...How sad. Church members who don't care if their pastor is fleecing them or not. In fact not only do they not want to know, they want to criticize and demean someone who does demand to know. Pastors chiming in saying they don't owe an answer to the congregation over actions that are questionable.<BR/><BR/>How sad.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79248615992199437282008-06-05T15:46:00.000-04:002008-06-05T15:46:00.000-04:00I've heard it put "it's all about the money". I th...I've heard it put "it's all about the money". I think in your case Dog, it is. That seems to be the hard line throughout this blog. <I>Could it be that you are more concerned about the money than the ministry of the church</I>?<BR/><BR/>I'm not going to play the "What would you think" game with you Watchdog. That's childish and illogical. As you always tell me, so I will tell you........you're smarter than this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80810948282937801742008-06-05T15:42:00.000-04:002008-06-05T15:42:00.000-04:00As a pastor, just because something I do bothers s...As a pastor, just because something I do bothers someone in the pew is no reason I owe them an explanation. If this were true then we who pastor would be explaining something to someone all the time. Then we would have to explain why we are not getting all the other needed work done.<BR/><BR/>Your call for explanation because something bothers you, if practiced, opens Pandora's box. I don't expect you to agree but the reality is there...<BR/><BR/>From one who serves as a pastor in our great but imperfect convention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60848841032368209992008-06-05T15:36:00.000-04:002008-06-05T15:36:00.000-04:00WD: Why are some so angry and hateful to you? Have...WD: Why are some so angry and hateful to you? Have they not noticed that a lot of people that are members of FBC have brought up the lack of visitation, removing Outreach and Care group Leaders, History, History, History, Jazz/rocknroll in young dept, cells that might not bring fruit, a school downtown where no one lives with gasoline above $4 per gallon, the A-Group, branding, satellite church, on and on we go and they believe this is all a figment of the WD's imagination? Get real. They need to go back and read all of these blogs and they might learn something. Also, just look at the Sunday School attendance. Its less than 20% of the total church enrollment. This is where individuals can discuss the Bible and zero in on their particular needs not in the Main Worship Service...this is the Heart of the church!!!Is this also WD's fault?? <BR/><BR/>I wonder if they have read any of the savingbellevue.com entries? If they took the time to read it they might find that disturbing. Mac Brunson has done nothing illegal...please note that...it has never been said here by anyone. It's the new modern methods and changes that are being discussed here.<BR/><BR/>You know sometimes those on the outside looking in know more than those on the inside looking out. That could be why Sen Grassley and his Senate committee are investigating super rich ministries. Thus, you have Grassley on the outside looking in. <BR/><BR/>The people onboard the Titantic were told it would never sink, guess what? It sank anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2564076016492821122008-06-05T15:09:00.000-04:002008-06-05T15:09:00.000-04:00Hi Robert - I can't reason with you Robert on this...Hi Robert - I can't reason with you Robert on this, because you've already stated that you wouldn't have a problem with our church paying Mac's travel to the Holy Land. Your judgement is clouded, and I hope that if that is how you view the role of the church - to collect money from God's people to give travel benefits to the pastor - that you are never in a role of responsibility in a church.<BR/><BR/>But can you agree with me here:<BR/><BR/>What would you think if the travel agent, in his pricing, is charging a 15% premium to the travelers so that he can provide a cash or travel benefit to the Brunson family. If that were true, would it bother you? Would you think that is behavior becoming of a pastor, especially a pastor that by any objective standard does not need that money as he is well compensated by his church, drawing a salary from the church, and taking two weeks away from his ministry to the church to go on the trip?<BR/><BR/>If that WOULD bother you, then Mac owes an explanation to his church to let us know that he is different and doesn't accept benefits from the travel agent. Am I assuming facts? Yes, I'm assuming, unless Mac tells us otherwise, that he is getting a financial benefit from the trip. Why? Because that is how it is done, its the standard practice for hosted Holy Land trips - so if he is a man of integrity he will tell us that HE doesn't do that. And when I observe his other actions the first two years of his tenure, I'm not inclined to just assume that he is different and wouldn't be taking a benefit for hosting the trip.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22219454125002888922008-06-05T14:47:00.000-04:002008-06-05T14:47:00.000-04:00Mr. Dog,The ad states that there is a Holy Land Tr...Mr. Dog,<BR/><BR/>The ad states that there is a Holy Land Trip with the Brunson Family and Dr. Charles Ryrie.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the form does say near the bottom that the trip is hosted by the pastor but that is stating nothing more than he is taking the lead on such a trip. He is putting the news out, inviting any and all and going to be their go to person during the trip.<BR/><BR/>I think you ought to find the money and go and get to know the pastor. If I had the money I would pay your way, but my economic position will not allow such a privilege.<BR/><BR/>Who knows you might begin to love that which you find unlovable.<BR/><BR/>The breakdown on expenses seem cut and dry. Ca you trim any cost off of what is listed? Try it. Apples to apples though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51580129436264289432008-06-05T14:44:00.000-04:002008-06-05T14:44:00.000-04:00Watchdog,You are posing valid questions regarding ...Watchdog,<BR/><BR/>You are posing valid questions regarding this trip to the Holy Land. But I think the questions are unnecessary to ask.<BR/>Yet, you tend to ask them. And not only do you ask, you automatically assume the answers you would want to hear without presenting any relevant facts with your answers.<BR/>Credibility is lacking and continues to do so along with a lot of other things associated with this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com