tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post711322760208025732..comments2024-03-07T00:24:23.674-05:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: In the Langworthy/Prestonwood Story, Bloggers Once Again Show They are Sorely Needed to Get Truth OutFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-72020745710140910692012-02-11T21:20:20.236-05:002012-02-11T21:20:20.236-05:00HA! So one poster gives PW credit for asking a gay...HA! So one poster gives PW credit for asking a gay person to leave? Well I had an abusive cheating spouse I begged for help with at PW- Jack Graham AND his pastors turned their backs on me. My ex is now attending PW with the other person involved and they both are treated like saints. So Graham is ok with abusers, cheaters and protecting child molesters but let's give him credit for asking gays to leave. Let me tell you something- PW is a business. Graham gives favors and endless plugs from the pulpit for his buddies like Ziglar and Kenneth Cooper. He even has security detail at PW for Ziglar to keep him coming. He knows the deep pockets. Graham lives in a mansion and his pastors make huge sums as well. His family is on the PW payroll. Come to watch the Sunday show, pay your tithe and go home please and don't bother us. Jack Graham name-drops and plugs his buds at the pulpit. And he brags about PW's children's ministry-oh God help us. And Jack Graham needs to be held to account for his disgraceful and hideous betrayal of children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58474578710555570622011-09-08T22:00:40.730-04:002011-09-08T22:00:40.730-04:00Mr. Langworthy is an amazing man… bottom line.
...Mr. Langworthy is an amazing man… bottom line. <br /><br /><br />Try to tell that to the numerous children he has now been accused of molesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71250307338804939902011-08-20T22:51:15.324-04:002011-08-20T22:51:15.324-04:00I know Mr. Langworthy personally. I must say when ...I know Mr. Langworthy personally. I must say when I found out about this I did not believe it. I understand families are hurt and people are concerned, but this occurred 20 something years ago!! Ever heard of forgiveness, not judging others, or giving others another chance? I am sorry for his victims but I believe the ultimate judgement will come from God. Mr. Langworthy is an amazing Man and is a BIG reason why alot of college students have been saved. When sitting in college choir with him it is hard to explain the passion in his voice and what he does… we ALL have made mistakes… there are thousands out there who have been accused of sexually motivated crimes BUT do they not deserve forgiveness? If your answer to that question is no… then all I can say is…. God will have the ultimate judgement. Also, I have grown up believing and being taught that all sin is equal. Mr. Langworthy is an amazing man… bottom line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69770557186272803582011-08-16T15:13:34.011-04:002011-08-16T15:13:34.011-04:00I am an older Pastor who years ago attended Presto...I am an older Pastor who years ago attended Prestonwood while Jack Graham was there. To me the main point is being missed. This is a question of sufficiency of Scripture. The Bible has clearly told Prestonwood what to do. Their training in church growth, psychology, sociology gave them human wisdom to think they knew better. Now they refuse to admit this sin. They should have immediately followed Scripture and announced from the Prestonwood pulpit, “John Langworthy has admitted to sexually abusing children in this congregation. H e has been fired and we have contacted the police and CPS to thoroughly investigate this matter as to possible criminal charges.” <br />I would encourage readers to listen to or read the following sermon which is case on point. Here are a few excerpts to whet your appetite-Excerpts from last half of Restoring Biblical Eldership, Part 2 by Pastor John MacArthur<br />http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/54-41_Restoring-Biblical-Eldership-Part-2 <br />I Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.<br />We need to be supportive of our Pastor and not entertain or even listen to gossip, slander, hearsay accusing him of any wrongdoing. The evident exception to this is when there is corroborating testimony from another witness or two. At that point the church and Christians are obligated Scripturally to investigate and see whether or not it is true. If untrue stand with him and defend him. If true, go to verse 20. (I would personally add-If the sin involves criminal activity such as sexual abuse of children the obligation is increased. We are to consider government as God’s ministry of justice. We are to obey all laws. The only exception is a law that forces you to disobey God’s Word. Are laws regarding abuse of defenseless children good laws? You should go immediately to the police and if they are negligent get the media involved to force them to do their duty. Further the church doing the defrocking has an obligation to follow the abuser and warn other churches and communities.)<br /><br />I Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.<br />Them here in verse 20 refers to an elder in verse 19. A Pastor or Associate who is found to be in sin loses protection. There are no steps listed as a process. Once it is ascertained that sin has occurred that Pastor is to be immediately fired and publicly rebuked (exposed, reproved, brought to conviction) before all-the whole church, nothing here confines this to a board of the church. The sin of one in that position is more serious and to be punished more severely because its implications are greater. If you're the model of spiritual life, if you're the model of godliness, if you're supposed to be the example and you do not live the example that pleases God,.. 99.9 chances out of a hundred the man would instantly repent, say, "I'll never do it again," if he thought that would let him stay where he is and nobody would ever find out publicly. But that serves no good at all. If the man has been found to be in a pattern of sin, then he is disqualified by 1 Timothy chapter 3, he's no longer blameless so he's out of the ministry anyway and he is to be publicly rebuked for his sin because there has to be some explanation about why he's out. … you put a man of dubious character in a continuing ministry because you're afraid to say the truth about the man because you're more concerned to protect the man than you are to protect the name of the Lord God whom he says he serves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5987708547748924422011-08-12T11:48:09.417-04:002011-08-12T11:48:09.417-04:00sickeningsickeningAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31531061894736137162011-08-12T00:32:06.219-04:002011-08-12T00:32:06.219-04:00How about we just acknowledge that Satan exists an...How about we just acknowledge that Satan exists and is alive and present in the churches, leaving his mark of rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3894108349331436792011-08-12T00:26:26.957-04:002011-08-12T00:26:26.957-04:00How about we just acknowledge that Satan exists an...How about we just acknowledge that Satan exists and is alive and present in the churches, leaving his mark of rule.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74748322678787702612011-08-12T00:22:49.647-04:002011-08-12T00:22:49.647-04:00How about we just acknowledge that Satan exists an...How about we just acknowledge that Satan exists and God allows his existence in troubled Churches filled with pleasures of men, greedy for power, unable to lead sinners to grace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35465027742140637012011-08-11T21:24:20.420-04:002011-08-11T21:24:20.420-04:00Thank God for this blog? How about we just acknow...Thank God for this blog? How about we just acknowledge that Satan exists and God allows his existence and allows his manifestation ... case in point ... this blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21086341962728220012011-08-11T15:55:41.723-04:002011-08-11T15:55:41.723-04:00This is nothing but a little wave on the horizon o...This is nothing but a little wave on the horizon of a big ship called Prestonwood Baptist Church. Your bloggers won't cause a ripple in that church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20607593610756785822011-08-11T10:13:12.627-04:002011-08-11T10:13:12.627-04:00Anon 9:58
The article was not "random"....Anon 9:58<br /><br />The article was not "random". it includes serious questions that should be answered. I think this whole thing did rattle Jack a bit and the tweets are evidence of that. <br /><br />Of course, him and Buster have a playbook for how to handle things like this and they will stick too it. I also suspect they have some influence with local media. <br /><br />There are not enough people at Prestonwood who have any interest in all of this or would dare ask questions. Leadership knows that and they are expecting this to just go away. Maybe it will, or maybe the bloggers will prove you wrong.Pwood Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24199943182345096582011-08-11T09:58:12.669-04:002011-08-11T09:58:12.669-04:00Jack is totally safe and secure at Prestonwood. I...Jack is totally safe and secure at Prestonwood. If you think some random article by the Dallas Morning News is going to worry him then you are sadly mistaken and I can assure you that he will never answer to a blog or bloggers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13110159383060748012011-08-11T09:53:46.670-04:002011-08-11T09:53:46.670-04:00Anon 10:32 said
"Jack is on the way OUT! No ...Anon 10:32 said<br /><br />"Jack is on the way OUT! No way he can survive this self-made disaster."<br /><br />There is not nearly enough pressure on Jack Graham or Prestonwood to force them to do or say ANYTHING at this point. They have issued the official statement and Jack has posted his veiled tweets. That is all you will hear from them unless this gets more attention. The local news media seems to have stalled out on this. Brett Shipp has bigger fish to fry. Yesterday Mr. Shipp was the victim of a physical altercation with embattled Dallas County Commish John Wiley Price. That story will get the headlines.Pwood Observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12906663488685767522011-08-11T08:17:13.259-04:002011-08-11T08:17:13.259-04:00Arce - I agree completely. I hear the term "m...Arce - I agree completely. I hear the term "man of God" used over and over again by people to refer to the pastor.."he is a wonderful, faithful man of God", as though he is separate, unique, and above others.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55119509278079563342011-08-11T08:15:01.160-04:002011-08-11T08:15:01.160-04:00WD
Every Christian man is a "man of God"...WD<br /><br />Every Christian man is a "man of God", and similarly for every Christian woman. We are all part of the body, and none is more important than any other. All are sinners redeemed by grace through faith, and all are to be in mutual submission to each other. None is more worthy than any other, and all are subject to the human tendency to sin.<br /><br />Calling the pastor a "man of God" is misleading at best.Arcenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9092430098014705592011-08-11T02:44:03.689-04:002011-08-11T02:44:03.689-04:00Christa Brown said...
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Well at least you...Christa Brown said...<br /><br />........<br /><br />Well at least you can dream, as this just ain't going to happen.<br /><br />The Biggies in charge of the SBC are only interested in "new" unfamiliar converts who can be trained to be loyal followers of the growing Mega Church, Anointed Pastor movement.<br /><br />Them's you don't question as they deal with all problems internally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7773647767132132012011-08-11T01:05:02.954-04:002011-08-11T01:05:02.954-04:00A database of convicted, admitted and credibly acc...A database of convicted, admitted and credibly accused ministers could have made a huge difference in this case. By keeping records on credibly accused ministers, Southern Baptists could assure that trained professionals -- people outside the accused minister's immediate circle of trust (and also outside the cover-uppers' circle of trust) -- will assess accusations to determine their credibility.<br /><br />For example, look at what happened in this case. Amy Smith, the former Prestonwood staff member who is quoted in the WFAA report, had been trying for over a year to get someone to do something. Trying hard. That’s over a year in which still more kids were left at risk, and parents unwarned (that’s in addition to the 21 years’ worth of additional risk that Prestonwood had already allowed by its original inaction). If there had been a denominational office to which Amy could have provided her information – an office with trained professionals -- kids could have been better protected much sooner. That office could have responsibly assessed the allegations, reported on its assessment to Morrison Heights, and then kept a record if the allegations were found credible. (And if a church chose to keep a convicted, admitted or credibly accused minister in the pulpit, the SBC could conceivably choose to disfellowship.)<br /> <br />Such denominational review processes are common for clergy abuse allegations in other major faith groups. If Southern Baptists provided such a process (and if it were truly a safe and welcoming place staffed by trained professionals), there would likely be many more clergy abuse survivors who would bring forward reports of abuse. But as things now stand, there is nowhere within the faith community for them to turn, and most won't even attempt to go to the church of their perpetrator. Since most cases are too old for criminal prosecution, this leaves them with little recourse. <br /><br />In effect, the creation of a denominational database would help to protect churches against the inaction of their sister churches because it would allow that reports could also be received from knowledgeable church staff members (i.e., people such as Amy Smith) and from abuse survivors. As things now stand, a single church that ordains a minister on minimal standards or that turns a blind eye to egregious conduct can effectively unleash a predator into the larger body of SBC churches. By implementing a denominational system of assessment and record-keeping, Southern Baptists could assure that churches have a chance to be better informed about their clergy. They could also provide a compassionate hearing within the faith community to those who have been horribly abused within the faith. And even if denominational assessments can’t put a predatory preacher in prison, they can at least assure that he will not be able to use the power and trust of his ministerial position as a weapon.Christa Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04560409585720043015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79988526075942325932011-08-11T00:36:49.874-04:002011-08-11T00:36:49.874-04:00Louis, what if the SBC established a policy to &qu...Louis, what if the SBC established a policy to "withdraw fellowship" from ANY church not reporting credibly accused minister or staff sex-abuse. Can't be a autonomy issue...that tactic is used on churches that call female pastors or refuse to condemn gays in their congregations. A data base would be to create and maintain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7583064335466428712011-08-10T23:26:04.230-04:002011-08-10T23:26:04.230-04:00Anon said: "Actually watchdog as of this week...Anon said: "Actually watchdog as of this week I am officially tired of bloggers. They seem to have the same effect that protest singers do. They build sympathy on issues but do they really resolve the issue? What are the laity to do with the info? "<br />-------------------<br />I understand. But as I have said before, exposing the nonsense, the hypocrisy, the abuse, and the false teachings IS doing something. As more people have their eyes opened, as they are challenged to think about what they see in their churches and what their preachers are saying, change will be accomplished slowly.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83298814930822846472011-08-10T22:37:56.175-04:002011-08-10T22:37:56.175-04:00Oh, Dog, grammar correction.
I think it's &qu...Oh, Dog, grammar correction.<br /><br />I think it's "tack" not "tact".<br /><br />If I am right, correct and remove this comment.<br /><br />If I am wrong, leave all alone.<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31626967006312195782011-08-10T22:36:41.232-04:002011-08-10T22:36:41.232-04:00oops!
That last post was mine. Forgot to sign.
...oops!<br /><br />That last post was mine. Forgot to sign.<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48011153536295362112011-08-10T22:35:28.560-04:002011-08-10T22:35:28.560-04:00Also, this is one of the many reasons why a databa...Also, this is one of the many reasons why a database (which I am against for lots of reasons) would not do what its proponents claim.<br /><br />No one at Prestonwood reported this when it happened. They don't want to talk about it now - 22 years later.<br /><br />Churches that don't want to cooperate cannot be counted on to cooperate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74657404457228017592011-08-10T22:32:33.944-04:002011-08-10T22:32:33.944-04:00Jack is on the way OUT! No way he can survive thi...Jack is on the way OUT! No way he can survive this self-made disaster. Maybe they ought to just clean house and tell ALL STAFF to leave by Sept. 1. And then, maybe 'ole Mac will give him a job at FBC Jax? Could be quite the pair -- "The Dynamic Duo! Mac and Jac" -- 2 guys who will take you and your kids for all they are worth! Bring your wallets and your kids and give 'em all to us... you'll be glad you did (or NOT!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32903940592049290442011-08-10T22:32:05.867-04:002011-08-10T22:32:05.867-04:00This story needs to be told. I thanked New BBC for...This story needs to be told. I thanked New BBC for posting it, and I am thanking you.<br /><br />If crimes are committed, particularly against children, they should be reported to the police. It does not matter that the parents might not like them reported. Parents cannot stop the report of crimes to the authorities. The identities of the children would be protected anyway.<br /><br />LouisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37915314642835581232011-08-10T21:37:04.879-04:002011-08-10T21:37:04.879-04:00Well, he came to Prestonwood in 1998, and had an i...<i>Well, he came to Prestonwood in 1998, and had an immediate problem as well as numerous staff members over the years with sexual issues.</i><br /><br />Jack Graham came to Prestonwood in 1989.New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.com