tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7533548825016077762..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: FBC Jax Completes $3.5 Million Auditorium Renovation - Debt FreeFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger89125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53703331096951161802011-01-30T00:28:12.569-05:002011-01-30T00:28:12.569-05:00A friend of mine that went to FBC was was walking ...A friend of mine that went to FBC was was walking around downtown Jax and he came across a man begging for change. He gave the man some money and invited him to church the following Sunday.<br /><br />The beggar replied "I can't go in there, I don't have any good clothes and everyone would look at me funny".<br /><br />That story illustrates everything wrong with FBC.Crystalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28113841792783374922011-01-30T00:14:04.281-05:002011-01-30T00:14:04.281-05:00As a member of the local Jacksonville community it...As a member of the local Jacksonville community it sickens me that FBC would throw away money like they do. Jacksonville has one of the highest foreclosure rates for the state and high unemployment. Where was FBC Jesus like compassion for the people of Jacksonville?<br /><br />Oh wait they don't give a rats butt about the city or the people as they glide to their services with their elevated pedestrian walkways to make sure they don't come across any poor people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63489209229173820042011-01-18T17:03:19.945-05:002011-01-18T17:03:19.945-05:00So is this FBCJax's architectural invitation t...So is this FBCJax's architectural invitation to the gospel?<br /><br /><br />How did we let such stupid people run our churches?<br /><br /><br />Oh yeah, they were the first to claim God's Will and we were too apathetic to call them on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40939784635022221772011-01-17T22:19:50.264-05:002011-01-17T22:19:50.264-05:00I see your point. Even if Ergun publicly repented,...I see your point. Even if Ergun publicly repented, it could all just be part of the act. But that would be between him and God. Even so, it would still be a bigger gesture than what we've heard so far.<br /><br />January 17, 2011 9:56 PM<br /><br />If Caner ever experienced true repentance he would not stay in any limelight at all no matter how small the venue and he would stay off stages for a long time. It is like putting an embezzler back in charge of the offering right after being caught. <br /><br />If truly repentent, the embezzler would be convicted of his sin (true repentence) and would know to stay away from tempting venues such as handling other people's money.<br /><br /> He would strive to serve the Lord quietly with no fame or profit attached. <br /><br />Few understand that true repentence brings real brokenness and godly sorrow. We rarely see it so we don't recognize it.<br /><br />Most think it means "sorry" or admitting one did wrong. No. It is a complete change of heart and mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23517824106493118952011-01-17T19:47:03.301-05:002011-01-17T19:47:03.301-05:00@ Lynn
I'm in high school at FBC.
With a mat...<b>@ Lynn</b><br /><br />I'm in high school at FBC.<br /><br />With a mature name like Lynn, I don't suppose you are 15-18 years of age (I mean, face it, no disrespect to you personally, but Lynn isn't really a teenage name in this day; like naming a newborn girl today Edith).<br /><br />But that's just an assumption.<br /><br />Which I'm pretty sure is what you are making about "mission trip-vacations".<br /><br />Yes, the HS Department lets us do fun things on these trips but it doesn't take away from the heart of what we've done/did in those places for the glory of God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77086521693165491542011-01-17T14:52:24.548-05:002011-01-17T14:52:24.548-05:00Is there are more boring person on the face of the...Is there are more boring person on the face of the earth than John Blount?<br /><br />Yes there is. I hate to say it but it is my friend Bobby Barton.<br /><br />My children really flourished under his ministry and yet they would always complain. We would just keep encouraging them that being bored is not the point.Longtime Friend of Bobbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56147691123694442562011-01-17T13:23:21.079-05:002011-01-17T13:23:21.079-05:00One final point of irony.
If you are so glad that...One final point of irony.<br /><br />If you are so glad that the naysayers and pessimists are gone, why do you continue to read this blog that is a site FOR naysayers and pessimists in your opinion?<br /><br />Then again, that statement makes just as much sense as anything else you have written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44764154955379746992011-01-17T13:17:23.021-05:002011-01-17T13:17:23.021-05:00Let's see how many unbiblical principals can b...Let's see how many unbiblical principals can be gleaned from Anonymous Ben's one short post.<br /><br />"$3.5 million reasons I love my Church!!!"<br /><br />Arrogance, Greed (lavish spending on facilities you will be using and not meeting the needs of others), also contributes to the notion that mega-churches are all about money and power.<br /><br />Yes, sit in your state of the art air-conditioned luxury building while the world dies just outside.<br /><br />I'm sure that Christ would approve.<br /><br />"Can't wait till tomorrow and here Pastor preach in that new building...what a day that will be!"<br /><br />It's all about ME! Ignore the unbiblical principles used to raise the money and the moral failings of the pastor. Let's focus on ourselves and make it opulent. Like the expensive social club downtown.<br /><br />"We are bringing in the sheaves and I, for one, am thankful that the naysayers and pessimists are gone!"<br /><br />This philosophy is in direct contrast to Christ's teaching who invited "whomsoever will" to come. <br /><br />And his teaching to leave your offering (sheaves) on the altar and be reconciled first to your brother or your offering is of no value obviously made no impression on you. <br /><br />Is this the teaching you are receiving from FBC JAX? <br /><br />And your definition of "naysayer" is someone who confronts sin which we are taught to do in scripture. <br /><br />Your proclamation is in direct conflict with Christ's teachings. <br /><br />"It's revival time!!!"<br /><br />Anonymous Ben. I see you have finally stopped with the ALL CAPS. Unfortunately, three exclamation points after each of your immature statements amounts to the same thing. Is it possible that you could write your comments not in the style of an Urban Legend?<br /><br />I guess one immature uneducated man-worshiping pew sitter in a mega-church doesn't surprise me.<br /><br />What does surprise me is that a local so-called pastor like Jon "too much time on his hands" Estes would encourage it. Sad and self-serving.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14597269263644753392011-01-16T23:13:48.470-05:002011-01-16T23:13:48.470-05:00What's so wrong with renovation? Are you watch...What's so wrong with renovation? Are you watchdog types jealous? FBC is more than a remodel. It funds mega outreach and missions projects, hosts an accredited school and reaches many worldwide via the Web. Check your jealousy at the door. This church does great work in the local and global community. Church attendance is growing. More people are coming to Christ. You should be pleased to see God moving via FBC ministries instead of throwing mean spirited barbs.<br /><br />January 16, 2011 11:06 PM<br /><br />Anyone who knows scripture would never be jealous of fbcjax. they quake in their boots for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8954189556005515882011-01-16T23:06:47.714-05:002011-01-16T23:06:47.714-05:00What's so wrong with renovation? Are you watch...What's so wrong with renovation? Are you watchdog types jealous? FBC is more than a remodel. It funds mega outreach and missions projects, hosts an accredited school and reaches many worldwide via the Web. Check your jealousy at the door. This church does great work in the local and global community. Church attendance is growing. More people are coming to Christ. You should be pleased to see God moving via FBC ministries instead of throwing mean spirited barbs.Lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77916851460411702252011-01-16T20:27:06.184-05:002011-01-16T20:27:06.184-05:00Has anyone thought about this mathematically? In ...Has anyone thought about this mathematically? In big metropolitan areas, you are going to have big mega churches. I am all for being responsible and helping the poor and needy, missions, etc ahead of fancy buildings. I was just wondering if anyone has done the math on smaller churches vs. bigger churches. For example, I attend a church that has about 400 members with a budget of around 500K a year. It has a modest older building and is active in missions. It is very careful with its money from what I can see. When you divide out the money, you come to about $1250 a member a year. How many people attend FBC Jax and what is their yearly budget? What does it come out to per person? It is possible they aren't really spending anymore per person than smaller churches, it just looks big because of the scale of things?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64326804156840774402011-01-16T11:53:45.341-05:002011-01-16T11:53:45.341-05:00God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to s...God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to shut up the mouths of those who come against God's Anointed.<br /><br />Gods anointed rulers of the slaves and animals.<br /><br />January 15, 2011 8:10 PM<br /><br />You and Jon make a good team. He loves lemmings like you who follow men and think of them as rulers of slaves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55260926671646207022011-01-16T11:09:21.962-05:002011-01-16T11:09:21.962-05:00Keith, Very interesting observation. It would, ...Keith, Very interesting observation. It would, in fact, follow the Purpose Driven recipe for a "successful" church ( AKA more nickels and noses) if they eliminated the Baptist designation. <br /><br />Question- Wouldn't FBC risk losing even more members if they did away with Baptist? Especially the older members who have more money to contribute. And what about the whole SBC organization? FBC is one of the biggest organizations in that convention. It seems like it would be silly to claim to be a member of the SBC after having removed Baptist from your name. <br /><br />These are interesting times as these 501(c)3 organizations, <br />......er "churches" attempt to remain viable.Sweet Tea Drinkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43106506632620438752011-01-16T10:20:44.246-05:002011-01-16T10:20:44.246-05:00Is there are more boring person on the face of the...Is there are more boring person on the face of the earth than John Blount?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19966706516688512402011-01-16T00:43:48.490-05:002011-01-16T00:43:48.490-05:00Have you seen the billboard on I295 advertising FB...Have you seen the billboard on I295 advertising FBC ? First and Church are very prominate. Baptist is in itsy bitsy letters. This bunch has sucumbed to every trick as outlined by Rick Warren. Is the SBC moving towards " New Evangelicalism" or becoming the " Emerging Church"? Looks like FBC will be known as FC. Baptist is too strong to attract the young. Sad!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09784468706066381626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40279346275433742802011-01-15T23:10:33.787-05:002011-01-15T23:10:33.787-05:00Honestly Dog...what is up...
I am the author of t...Honestly Dog...what is up...<br /><br />I am the author of the post you refer to. It is your Blog and I respect that. Did you leave my post off intentionally?<br /><br />Anyway, thanks for your response. There for a minute I thought we had lost you. Your response is the same old that I have grown to expect from you. Don't let me get under your skin. I am pretty harmless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68568506874603617042011-01-15T21:44:38.858-05:002011-01-15T21:44:38.858-05:00Some Anony Mouse said:
"thankful that the nay...Some Anony Mouse said:<br />"thankful that the naysayers and pessimists are gone!"<br /><br />Now hold on here. Wasn't Mac Brunson in that Nay Saying crowd as well? His 'SHUT EM DOWWWWWNN" mantra sounds pretty nay say.<br /><br />But his anointed, or at least you say he is. His actions drown out his words and credibilty as a pastor/leader.<br /><br />Maybe Jon can help you understand that, he is a fountain of knowledge lately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7598278769966078942011-01-15T21:40:57.065-05:002011-01-15T21:40:57.065-05:00Some clueless anonymous said:
(God gave His Churc...Some clueless anonymous said:<br /><br />(God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to shut up the mouths of those who come against God's Anointed.)\<br />Is this the same 'anointed, or anointing' that Benny Hinn has?<br /><br />How about Creflo Dollar, or that heretic Jesse Duplantis? Does the Mac-Daddy have that same anointing?<br /><br />You need a wake-up slap, stop with the man worship, and this personality cult. Once you mature past puberty, adult things may be more understandable to you. <br />Maybe.<br /><br />GarlandoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3644926242891577172011-01-15T20:59:14.393-05:002011-01-15T20:59:14.393-05:00I cannot argue the relative merits of spending $3....I cannot argue the relative merits of spending $3.5 million for the auditorium renovation, it does look good though. However, in the economy of God does $3.5 million really matter? After all, no matter how nice the auditorium looks today, the day will come when it will all have to be done again. <br /><br />So what matters in the economy of God? Is it not souls? Is it not only the souls of the lost but also the souls of our brothers and sisters? Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy of declaring “whosoever will may come” on one hand while placing trespass orders against a brother and his family on the other? And don’t even get me started on the abuse of power by law enforcement. <br /><br />I know that it has become popular to regard members as expendable in order to establish the unquestioned authority of the preacher but I do not believe that this is of God. Does scripture not direct the pastor to gather the sheep and protect the sheep and not to disperse the sheep?<br /><br />Does scripture not teach us to be reconciled to the “brother who has something against me?” I may be completely innocent but God still makes it my duty to be reconciled to my brother or don’t even bother leaving my offering at the altar.<br /><br />Celebrate the completion of the renovation but do not forget what is truly important.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42239175108445925162011-01-15T20:22:49.544-05:002011-01-15T20:22:49.544-05:00Anon
"$3.5 million reasons I love my Church!...Anon<br /><br />"$3.5 million reasons I love my Church!!!<br /><br />Can't wait till tomorrow and here Pastor preach in that new building...what a day that will be!<br /><br />We are bringing in the sheaves and I, for one, am thankful that the naysayers and pessimists are gone!<br /><br />It's revival time!!!"<br /><br />Thank you for supporting the man God called to lead FBCJax. I know personally he appreciates those who pray for him. I want to encourage you to not get discouraged because of the few who would disagree with you.<br /><br />Enjoy your meal in the word tomorrow and remain thankful for the renovations the Lord led the church to accomplish.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91790796227077056122011-01-15T20:10:09.611-05:002011-01-15T20:10:09.611-05:00God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to s...God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to shut up the mouths of those who come against God's Anointed.<br /><br />Gods anointed rulers of the slaves and animals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6248425959059400632011-01-15T19:54:01.426-05:002011-01-15T19:54:01.426-05:00So, in actuality there no longer is a storehouse.So, in actuality there no longer is a storehouse.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42542755432312685882011-01-15T19:43:16.203-05:002011-01-15T19:43:16.203-05:00"The Bible says in Psalm 107:24...The upright..."The Bible says in Psalm 107:24...The upright see and rejoice, but all the wicked shut their mouths.<br /><br />God is shutting the mouths of all of His Critics!<br /><br />God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to shut up the mouths of those who come against God's Anointed.<br /><br />January 15, 2011 5:45 PM<br />===============================<br />This my friends is good example of the kind of people running FBCJ and why I'm so glad to have left this arrogant group of people - Anon 6:44 pm, I couldn't had said it better!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-50718137699099477222011-01-15T18:44:59.368-05:002011-01-15T18:44:59.368-05:00"God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did i..."God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to shut up the mouths of those who come against God's Anointed." <br /><br />Oh, I see now. Thanks for enlightening all of us "critics". How could we have missed that receiving millions of dollars is God's way of showing who is anointed and who He approves of and as a notification for critics to shut up. <br />Wow. I guess that is great news for all the work God must be doing with His anointed in the 13 BILLION dollar porn industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47476956555624570452011-01-15T17:45:55.640-05:002011-01-15T17:45:55.640-05:00The Bible says in Psalm 107:24...The upright see a...The Bible says in Psalm 107:24...The upright see and rejoice, but all the wicked shut their mouths.<br /><br />God is shutting the mouths of all of His Critics!<br /><br />God gave His Church 3.5 million and He did it to shut up the mouths of those who come against God's Anointed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com