tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7723462805520066777..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "Heart" and "Annointed" PreachingFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19250374698621992492008-11-23T16:13:00.000-05:002008-11-23T16:13:00.000-05:00Mac is a SHOWMAN. Its that simple. People like sho...Mac is a SHOWMAN. Its that simple. People like show business. Another thing, they are too lazy to read up on the mushrooms in Washington state, the trade winds in the Med, and the Roman legions and just eat it up, laugh, and applaud these historics. Pitiful, pitiful. And the beat goes on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1917797131219246512008-11-23T14:40:00.000-05:002008-11-23T14:40:00.000-05:00Mac can't help but keep trying to defend himself, ...Mac can't help but keep trying to defend himself, making the sermons about him.<BR/><BR/>He said that people think that he has a great life, living with no problems, "living the high life" as he said, then decided to tell us about Deb's car accident, and when Will's transmission fell out of the car and there was a period of time that Mac thought his son was dead. Good stories, but the point was for him to tell us how full of faith and trust he is. <BR/><BR/>But no one thinks Mac is immune from the regular heart aches and tribulations of life. Its just that we KNOW he has enriched himself and his family by taking a huge salary, and accepting a large land gift from one of our donors. Of course Mac won't address that. <BR/><BR/>Tuition rates for the Academy are now available, as is another promo video for the school.<BR/><BR/>And Mac's preaching on slander and deceit and malice and hypocrisy rings HOLLOW to his congregation. Mac has done it all in his first 2 1/2 years. He slanders from his pulpit, he shows malice towards us in how he talks about us and talks down to us...he is a hypocrite.<BR/><BR/>He also defended his angry, vindictive preaching style by saying he would be "no good to us" if he just came and smiled and patted us on the heads and said everything is OK. The man has no capacity to understand what he is doing...he is an angry man in the pulpit, and doesn't know how to be humble or loving.<BR/><BR/>But the people love it. They are enthralled during each episode of the Mac Brunson show.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88331360817496345832008-11-23T14:36:00.000-05:002008-11-23T14:36:00.000-05:00May I ask why people who left are no longer welcom...May I ask why people who left are no longer welcome? If I were to go back I think I would be welcomed like I never left.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15628007254268712472008-11-23T13:57:00.000-05:002008-11-23T13:57:00.000-05:00The emotion and crying this am on TV was unbelieva...The emotion and crying this am on TV was unbelievable. One question. How can a person get so emotional about something that happened 3000 years ago to people who he does not know and yet not release one tear on those that no longer attend the church they loved and are no longer welcome? Hard to believe tears are shed for those long ago while tearing down those all around him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15588222624185564842008-11-22T23:07:00.000-05:002008-11-22T23:07:00.000-05:00The 8 represents the "8th generation" of our churc...The 8 represents the "8th generation" of our church.<BR/><BR/>Very good Thy Peace. Not surprising at all.<BR/><BR/>And now that we know Mac is about sales, marking, and promotions...we can now see what he is up to with the passion play. Remember, he has said he wants to establish the Easter passion play to be a fixture, a tradition in Jacksonville. That would be a huge revenue generator! Thus, you can expect in the next year or so we too will charge admission! <BR/><BR/>Maurilio: get busy please and come up with a pricing plan to segment our market so we can maximize revenue. And please look at selling promotions...we can put adds up on the Imags as people come in waiting for the program o begin.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21624993211670301212008-11-22T22:57:00.000-05:002008-11-22T22:57:00.000-05:00Thanks anon 11:12 about the heads up on the Next G...Thanks anon 11:12 about the heads up on the Next Generation link. Did I miss the reason for the "8" replacing the letter "G"? And the "8" is also in the background...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2341349660581971122008-11-22T22:56:00.000-05:002008-11-22T22:56:00.000-05:00Guess What?BBC (Bellevue) is charging money for ti...Guess What?<BR/><BR/>BBC (Bellevue) is charging money for tickets to a church show.<BR/><BR/><I>" New BBC Open Forum said...<BR/>Bellevue LO♥ES Memphis so much this year they aren't giving tickets to anyone. Depending on how far from the stage or how far to the side you sit, tickets all cost $3, $6, or $12 this year.<BR/><BR/>I'll repeat what I said last year because it's still timely...<BR/><BR/>"This isn't something new to BBC. I've always said that no church should ever charge people to come to their Christmas and Easter programs. If a church can't afford the program without selling tickets, then cut back on the size of the program! It's as if all the mega churches have to one-up each other with their elaborate sets, special lighting, corny 'acting,' Broadway dancing, flying angels, live animals, tallest SCT, etc. The music usually ends up suffering with most of the emphasis being on 'the show.'"<BR/><BR/>9:23 PM, NOVEMBER 22, 2008"</I><BR/><A HREF="http://newbbcopenforum.blogspot.com/2008/11/sex-sells.html#3171961776305508899" REL="nofollow">Above Comment</A><BR/>Sorry, NewBBC permalinks are not working properly for comments. Go to the link and scroll down to the bottom to see this comment.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10410885366206738432008-11-22T22:16:00.000-05:002008-11-22T22:16:00.000-05:00I know one Anon on this blog commented on TDM and ...I know one Anon on this blog commented on TDM and it's source in August.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=25305" REL="nofollow">BNNews: Sanctification examined at 2-day conf.</A><BR/><I>Sinclair Ferguson, senior pastor of First Presbyterian Church in Columbia, S.C., focused his lectures on the pastor’s role in sanctification during the Theology-Driven Ministry Conference at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C., March 26-27. </I><BR/><BR/>Also, Danny Aiken gave this talk at the same conference:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.founders.org/blog/2007/03/akins-8-theological-essentials-for-sbc.html" REL="nofollow">Akin's 8 Theological Essentials for the SBC</A><BR/><I>Dr. Danny Akin, President of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, spoke today at the "Theology Driven Ministry" conference hosted by the seminary. Other speakers include Sinclair Ferguson and Paul Tripp. Following is the handout that accompanied Dr. Akin's talk.<BR/><BR/>The eight points that he emphasizes are matters that must become the subject of serious dialogue and reflection if we hope to see spiritual health return to the SBC. One cannot read through this outline without coming away with great respect for Dr. Akin. He is both insightful and courageious to speak plainly about the problems that plague us and to call us back to submission to the teachings of God's Word. This is the kind of leadership that Southern Baptists desperately need at this time.<BR/><BR/>The issues that he raises ought to be taken to heart by every pastor and church member who longs to see Christ honored in our local churches. I look forward to hearing the audio of this message when it becomes available.<BR/><BR/>****<BR/><BR/>CAN THEOLOGICALLY DRIVEN PREACHING HELP RESCUE THE SBC?<BR/>By: Daniel L. Akin<BR/><BR/>The Conservative Resurgence gave Southern Baptist a second chance but it did not secure our future. Has there been a Resurgence? Yes. Has there been a Restoration? Doubtful. Have we experienced genuine Revival? Clearly the answer is no.</I>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33590727869474063142008-11-22T22:02:00.000-05:002008-11-22T22:02:00.000-05:00PC2009: SeminarsTheology Driven Ministry (TDM)What...<A HREF="http://www.jaxpastorsconference.com/seminars.html" REL="nofollow">PC2009: Seminars</A><BR/><I>Theology Driven Ministry (TDM)<BR/><BR/>What is Theology Driven Ministry? A Theology Driven Ministry is a ministry that seeks to develop godly believers. We have erased the pragmatic measurements for ministry success and formulated a biblical ministry plan that is measured by lives that glorify God.</I><BR/><BR/>Here are the articles posted by Jim Smyrl on his blog on TDM:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.fbcjaxblog.com/jimsmyrl/?s=TDM" REL="nofollow">Elvis and TDM Part 1<BR/>Birth, Breast, Beast<BR/>Anselm and Theology Driven Ministry</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.fbcjaxblog.com/jimsmyrl/2008/10/bible-in-the-voting-booth-part-1/" REL="nofollow">Bible in the Voting Booth Part 1</A><BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.founders.org/blog/2007/04/theology-driven-ministry-mp3s-available.html" REL="nofollow">FOUNDERS MINISTRIES BLOG: Theology Driven Ministry mp3s available</A>Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56357723471245214162008-11-22T20:56:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:56:00.000-05:00Dog, if you really want my opinion. The fact that ...Dog, if you really want my opinion. The fact that in every single session listed at the PC is run through the filter of TDM sounds like an indoctrination process. Are these sessions showing how things are done or are they sales pitches for this created scheme of things? <BR/><BR/>I don't know anything about TDM but the fact that EVERY SINGLE MINISTRY is run through it now makes me wonder what is missing. For all the complaints about PD, as I have said I have been in churches that have done the PD life study, churches that have adapted some of the concepts, but it doesn't take over EVERYTHING! <BR/><BR/>Not knowing anything about it I can't comment on whether it is a good thing or bad thing. TDM may be the greatest ministry program ever created. I just get concerned when it seems like the scheme is more important than the ministries themselves. And at least from looking at the seminar listings, that is what it looks like to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76492957355321522882008-11-22T20:34:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:34:00.000-05:00Anon - I think you're mistaken. There is one poste...Anon - I think you're mistaken. There is one poster here who has been trying to educate us all on the PD movement. The majority of posters here are NOT here to bash PD.<BR/><BR/>I know this blog is NOT here to go after PD. <BR/><BR/>I share your concern over TDM and the Catholic bashing of Smyrl. This is a signal, this is a sign of things to come under TDM. Excellent point too Anon, that the Pastor's Conference IS set up to show just how wonderful TDM is. If TDM is about Catholic bashing I don't think most pastors will want to hear about it.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68698023375437535652008-11-22T20:32:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:32:00.000-05:00I agree with you. I believe Catholic doctrine lead...I agree with you. I believe Catholic doctrine leads one to hell. But I do not believe you should start bashing those who practice that faith. <BR/><BR/>I also agree with something I believe you said earlier, that this is far different from Vines's Islam comment in 2002. Although someone said it was the truth so that is what differs. There are also some other differences as well that I will compare and contrast.<BR/><BR/>1.)Jerry Vines made these statements at a Pastor's Conference where he was invited to speak before the Southern Baptist Convention began in the next day or two after. Jim Smyrl is making these statements from a public blog that can be read by anyone. <BR/><BR/>2.)Jerry Vines, due to the setting, IMO did not make these comments true or false representing First Baptist. Yes, he was the pastor, but it wasn't an endorsed engagement if you understand what I am saying.I feel like he was there representing himself when he preached there. Smyrl's blog by looking at it appears to be in concert and association directly with First Baptist. <BR/><BR/>3.)Since there was nothing controversial as I recall it being brought up at the 2002 SBC, the media felt the need to concoct something and this was as good as anything they could come up with for sensationalism. Also, keep in mind how hypocritical the media was. They have perpetuated this line that Christians should keep their religion in church and out of the world. Well, where was Vines again when he made those comments?! I don't recall Jerry Vines asking the media to come and make a big deal over his sermon. On the other hand, Jim Smyrl is BEGGING for negative media attention with his blog commentary. <BR/><BR/>4.)Dr. Vines came back and made his statement and other than one other time a few months later, I don't think he ever addressed it again. Will Jim Smyrl be willing to make a statement defending his blog if need be? That's one we don't know the answer to yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61237937557914275362008-11-22T20:20:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:20:00.000-05:00To all of the people who can't answer a single que...To all of the people who can't answer a single question I asked about where something is forbidden and instead hurl insults, point proven. Many of those things such as smoking and drinking may not be specifically mentioned in the bible, but they are IMPLIED by other things considered sins and warned against in the bible. I have yet to see where there is any implication yet regarding churches who use some of the PD methods, but if you want to continue to go this road, please do. <BR/><BR/>Theology Driven Ministry, don't know much about it but if it involves bashing Catholics and everyone else who doesn't agree with Jim Smyrl, why don't you go after that? Hey, looks like the entire pastor conference sessions involve talking about how great and wonderful the TDM is, why don't you go bother someone about that instead? In fact, hey, that's directly related to First Baptist. So why don't you discuss that? No, instead you rant, rave, and insult those who don't share your beligerent hatred for the PD movement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5903365258968777422008-11-22T20:17:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:17:00.000-05:00Some other thoughts on Smyrl's Catholic series:Whe...Some other thoughts on Smyrl's Catholic series:<BR/><BR/>Whether you agree with Smyrl on the Catholic church being a cult or not, you have to at least acknowledge how this is hurtful to Mac's own plan of reaching "unchurched" people through "life links". Many unchurched today have some connection to the Catholic church in their family, and many unchurched at the very least view Catholics as being interested in ministering to the poor and to the needy, unlike baptists who put much more money to the salary of the pastor and his wife and his son and their home and their land than they ever care about the poor. So to overtly go after the Catholics like Jumbo Jimbo is doing here, will only serve to make the people we are trying to reach with the truth wary of our sincerity. We can only hope for the sake of our church that Jim's little series on the Catholic Cults doesn't gain local media attention.<BR/><BR/>Its ironic how much THIS blog has caused Mac grief and how he preaches against the things this blog says...but its his own right hand man who is going to use a blog that will bring unnecessary grief to our church by trying to point out that Catholics are a cult. <BR/><BR/>So go get 'em Jim!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69829239015152053702008-11-22T20:01:00.000-05:002008-11-22T20:01:00.000-05:00Isn't that wonderful. Smyrl is going after the Cat...Isn't that wonderful. Smyrl is going after the Catholics.<BR/><BR/>Wake up FBC Jax. We have two amateurs at the helm of our church. <BR/><BR/>Theology Driven Ministry perhaps has cultish overtones itself. Mac and Jim will tell you what all of the correct theology is, they will create small groups to tell you what to believe and how to apply it to their lives, and they will tell our Catholic friends that they are a cult. <BR/><BR/>When it comes to "Christian" cults (oxymoron I know), but cults that use Christianity must FIRST convince their followers that other believers are wrong and only their church has the correct theology. I've seen churches take this dark turn, where instead of preaching the truth and letting the holy spirit convict of truth and righteousness, the pastors must go after all other forms of Christianity.<BR/><BR/>YOU GO JIM!!! Go after our Catholic friends! But just be sure that if we decide to host the city wide day of prayer that you keep the Catholics out, and any other "cults".<BR/><BR/>I'm sure your articles will help us in our quest to reach the city with the gospel.<BR/><BR/>Anybody know anything about Smyrl's pastorship in North Carolina? Any readers here from Cary, NC where Jim was a pastor?<BR/><BR/>Was he a legalistic and a preacher calling out the Catholics as a cult when he was up there? Or is this all new for Jim now that he is under the tutelage of Brunson?<BR/><BR/>Hey Maurilio - and you call ME a fundamentalist?FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76868015347802858572008-11-22T19:52:00.000-05:002008-11-22T19:52:00.000-05:00Enough is enough. Small groups are not bad or evil...Enough is enough. Small groups are not bad or evil in a church. My family is a small group. We can study the bible and pray. Some Sunday School classes are small groups.<BR/><BR/>This blog is not about the PD movement or about small groups.<BR/><BR/>Its the abuses of Donald M Brunson.<BR/><BR/>As the anon said above, even a liberal, PD church doesn't deserve to be abused by the likes of Brunson.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56812540817084671612008-11-22T19:46:00.000-05:002008-11-22T19:46:00.000-05:00http://www.fbcjaxblog.com/jimsmyrl/2008/11/catholi...http://www.fbcjaxblog.com/jimsmyrl/2008/11/catholic-cult-series/<BR/><BR/>Smyrl's doing an anti-Catholic series of blog posts. While I think the Catholic church preaches a false gospel, "cult" is NOT the right word.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51874104667267383012008-11-22T19:31:00.000-05:002008-11-22T19:31:00.000-05:00Come on already...let's knock off the slaps at eac...Come on already...let's knock off the slaps at each other over PD.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77213643402351786452008-11-22T17:12:00.000-05:002008-11-22T17:12:00.000-05:00Do you understand the term "thick headed"? There i...Do you understand the term "thick headed"? There is not time or space to reiterate all of the PD sins "again". But, if you will reread former blogs., you will see complaints re:, PD listed. Also, many web sites have been previously supplied to back up the evils of PD. Until then if you are in a PD church, be happy there, as I am sure it fits you and you fit it. We, however, who know what PD does will continue to fight against it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43305120849712560512008-11-22T16:58:00.000-05:002008-11-22T16:58:00.000-05:00This blog is not about PD. It is about a charlata...This blog is not about PD. It is about a charlatan and his greedy wife, and his consulting firms, and his lies and hypocrisy.<BR/><BR/>Even PD churches should not have pastors that abuse them like Mac has done us. In other words, Shiloh Baptist and Trinity Baptist had monsters in the pulpit. That is a bigger concern than whether they were being PD or not.<BR/><BR/>Mac is an unregenerate, unrepentant charlatan no matter whether he is PD or not. You can blog about PD, I will stick with blogging about Mac's constant abuses and shenanigans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63156749118822967782008-11-22T16:54:00.000-05:002008-11-22T16:54:00.000-05:00You posters who ask where does the Bible "specific...You posters who ask where does the Bible "specifically" forbid something, you sound like a child or non-believer who says "where in the Bible does it say I can't...(fill in the blank: smoke, drink, watch R-rated movies, play Nintendo games all day long, have to go to church 3X week, etc.<BR/><BR/>I would ask you. Where is blogging forbidden? Where does it say I can't question those in leadership? Where does it say if a question or comment is anonmyous, then God's man must ignore it? Where does it say a person who wished to pose questions anonymously is a coward. Grow up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19678853546897049392008-11-22T16:41:00.000-05:002008-11-22T16:41:00.000-05:00No Anon 4:20 it is NOT trivial. You (or someone el...No Anon 4:20 it is NOT trivial. You (or someone else) basically said it was ungodly to have small groups because Men of God needed to stand up and say no to this. If that's the case WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? WHERE IS YOUR AUTHORITY TO SAY IT IS WRONG?<BR/><BR/>I realize the bible doesn't say anything about the other things you mentioned. Therefore, you cannot say they are wrong either because it is the IMPLEMENTATION AND USE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT DETERMINE WHETHER IT IS JUST OR SINFUL IN NATURE. <BR/><BR/>And I am still waiting on you (or another one of your anti PD counterparts) to explain where you derive this idea that the entire movement is evil, cancerous, or whatever else you want to call it when I can talk about churches that use many of those ideas and continue to find success and teach very biblical truths.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57417993337338147822008-11-22T16:20:00.000-05:002008-11-22T16:20:00.000-05:00You people amaze me: You don't want to discuss Pur...You people amaze me: You don't want to discuss Purpose Driven, you don't want to discuss small groups. It's like this: The patient died but, lets not discuss what killed him.<BR/><BR/>PD and it's methods, varied as they may be ARE part of what kills churches.<BR/><BR/>As for "finding where in the Bible that it speaks against small groups". Get real the Bible is the Holy Word of God, please stop being so trivial. It also doesn't address parking lots, dining rooms,or grocery stores. Silly, silly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54364120213540805472008-11-22T15:32:00.000-05:002008-11-22T15:32:00.000-05:00it is Written, since you want to refer to Dr. Lind...it is Written, since you want to refer to Dr. Lindsay and FBC. Vines didn't do anything "purpose driven" either but church attendance also declined. <BR/><BR/>Again, I am NOT defending the PD movement. I am just tired of the blanket indictment of it. There are plenty of judgemental narrowminded people sitting in traditional churches today, but I don't come here and say they are all awful either. I see some contemporary churches that veer way to liberal for me and I am sure some others, but that doesn't mean I come and criticize the idea of it. <BR/><BR/>There is nothing in the bible that condemns small groups, contemporary services, traditional services, some aspects of the pd movement, etc. so on and so forth. It is in the implementation and mindset of the leadership, and the congregation that the difference is made.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-48999145308026597952008-11-22T15:20:00.000-05:002008-11-22T15:20:00.000-05:00Small group setting: most men are not apt to take ...Small group setting: most men are not apt to take to small groups as they (if they have any brains at all)can see the non-importance to tell some other man how you feel about something. Most could care less. Yes, they may give lip service but being around men for over half a century I know they are more interested in Logic and reasoning. They are not emotional.<BR/><BR/>The small groups are best suited for women as they are more apt to cry on each other's shoulder and we know from what Mac said they are more spiritual don't you know.<BR/><BR/>If SS grows under this setup it could be in the female classes, but I doubt it in the men's classes. Most will subscribe to it as they do not want to be called divisive or out of touch with LEADERSHIP. What rubbish. <BR/><BR/>The SS at FBC grew out of good sound strong Bible teaching. To leave this is to turn your back on 70+ years of SUCCESS. I might add that "small groups" if anything like some women's class meetings are fertile ground for gossip. Some women are somewhat "prone" to talk too much about "things". Not a very good use of Bible time!<BR/><BR/>But change is coming.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com