tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post7758304366724295462..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: FBC Jax Deacons to Vote 2/23 on Fate of Couple Accused of Being the "Watchdog"FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger125125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84741760218838147182009-04-09T23:09:00.000-04:002009-04-09T23:09:00.000-04:00I can honestly say today I am enbarassed to be a m...I can honestly say today I am enbarassed to be a member of the church and will admit I have not been to a single service since the first mont mac took over and know I never will again this is a shameful use of authorityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13358084907891434882009-02-25T22:40:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:40:00.000-05:00How can they shut this down without going to court...How can they shut this down without going to court? And how can they go to court? I thought it was against their rules.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-16374009299911896662009-02-25T22:03:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:03:00.000-05:00How can you have a business meeting unannounced?How can you have a business meeting unannounced?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42647243106120400812009-02-25T21:53:00.000-05:002009-02-25T21:53:00.000-05:00What was the motion? To approve shutting WD down. ...What was the motion? To approve shutting WD down. Please someone explain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12520565339798904482009-02-25T21:48:00.000-05:002009-02-25T21:48:00.000-05:00Revised, left off the applause line:I would charac...Revised, left off the applause line:<BR/><BR/>I would characterize the 5 minute motion thusly:<BR/><BR/>"We took steps to shut him down."<BR/><BR/>"We will shut you down if you do likewise - in the name of God, of course."<BR/><BR/>"Those in favor stand."<BR/><BR/>"Motion carried"<BR/><BR/>"[Applause]"<BR/><BR/>"Let's all sing a hymn to Jesus."<BR/><BR/>Sad.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-9241638394199636202009-02-25T21:46:00.000-05:002009-02-25T21:46:00.000-05:00I would characterize the 5 minute motion thusly:"W...I would characterize the 5 minute motion thusly:<BR/><BR/>"We took steps to shut him down."<BR/><BR/>"We will shut you down if you do likewise - in the name of God, of course."<BR/><BR/>"Those in favor stand."<BR/><BR/>"Motion carried"<BR/><BR/>"Let's all sing a hymn to Jesus"<BR/><BR/>Sad.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60316347430173274042009-02-25T21:40:00.000-05:002009-02-25T21:40:00.000-05:00For the sake of those of us who do NOT currently a...For the sake of those of us who do NOT currently attend FBCJ, could someone state what was said at tonight's service?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82507086324950003012009-02-25T21:36:00.000-05:002009-02-25T21:36:00.000-05:00It is absolutely pointless to try and say anything...It is absolutely pointless to try and say anything in reaction to any of the people on this blog, because you already have your minds made up that you are going to do what ever it takes to drag someone else down to your level just so you can feel better about your own personal downfalls. <BR/>It reminds me of that passage in Matthew 7 (NIV): <BR/><BR/><BR/>1. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4. How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5. You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.<BR/><BR/><BR/> It looks to me that everyone other that the couple who is going through this situation has no right to be dragging this pastor and congregation through the mud, especially if you have not in any way been affected by the situation. The way the situation was handled was horrible; but just remember, God will hold each of us accountable, and who are we to judge other people? And don’t reply back with "What about the couple who was judged?" like I said before, God will deal with the situation; He doesn't need your help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73101065309003991882009-02-25T21:19:00.000-05:002009-02-25T21:19:00.000-05:00I saw several people who remained seated. The sam...I saw several people who remained seated. The same people stood with everyone else for the hymn which followed. In spite of what the minutes will probably reflect, it was <I>not</I> a unanimous vote.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79924716647083526302009-02-25T19:07:00.000-05:002009-02-25T19:07:00.000-05:00How do you silence the "Nays?" Ask the congregati...How do you silence the "Nays?" Ask the congregation to stand if they agree. That way, those who would say "nay" would be sitting, but not given a true voice to be heard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66526770119090145082009-02-25T18:17:00.000-05:002009-02-25T18:17:00.000-05:00Anon - appreciate your input here, but its just to...Anon - appreciate your input here, but its just too hard to believe.<BR/><BR/>To believe what you're saying I have to believe that the entire process against the accused is 1000 times the sham I thought, and that someone decided to lie to the deacons so as to compel them to take the action of issuing trespass papers to ban the man and his wife from the church and start the disciplinary process.<BR/><BR/>Its too much to consider, really that the pastor and his supporters would go to such lengths in their zeal to silence a blog that they don't like. I just can't bring myself to believe it.<BR/><BR/>So I will reserve judgment, and think everyone else should too until additional information is received from the accused after he hears back from JSO, the SA, and Comcast, and maybe corroborating testimony is received from another deacon as to what was said in the meeting.<BR/><BR/>But the really sad part is, even if it turns out true...that the accused was lied about, and this was used to convince the deacons to ban the man, and used to get Comcast records - people at the church won't care. They'll assume the guy had what was coming to him. I'll say it again, Mac could moon the congregation and they would stand and applaud such a beautiful, full moon.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31210448477057624782009-02-25T17:30:00.000-05:002009-02-25T17:30:00.000-05:00Watchdog:You say you refuse to believe the church ...Watchdog:<BR/><BR/>You say you refuse to believe the church has stooped that low -- that is, to contact the State Attorney? Believe me they did stoop that low. Or at least that's what the deacons were told the other night. That's how they convinced the deacons of the seriousness of the situation! They just had to track down the owner of the blog because there was slander on the blog. <BR/><BR/>Even crazier than the mention of the photo taking of Mrs. Brunson in her jogging attire is that the picture taking apparently occurred way back when they lived out at Amelia Island while their house was being built. It makes even less sense now! How could the deacons go for that lie? But I'm telling you that is what they were told at the meeting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74279181848524666892009-02-25T15:57:00.000-05:002009-02-25T15:57:00.000-05:00anon 12:00are you serious that no matter who's in ...anon 12:00<BR/>are you serious that no matter who's in the wrong it doesn't matter now? How about if it had been you or someone you care about? This wife is banned from the church she has selfishly served in for many years and that's o.k? Does the shepherd of the church not have the responsibility to be an example of what God's word says? (Note I did not say a pastor has to be perfect) But loving one another is pretty basic even without a seminary degree or knowledge of Greek.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73638390763201718592009-02-25T13:57:00.000-05:002009-02-25T13:57:00.000-05:00To the anon wondering what is wrong with the givin...To the anon wondering what is wrong with the giving and receiving of large gifts directly to the pastor and not to the church...why don't you ask Mac Brunson that question. It is his Pastor's Guidebook that warns preachers to not accept such gifts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15659953890685303942009-02-25T12:00:00.000-05:002009-02-25T12:00:00.000-05:00I’m amazed at just how much all of the comments on...I’m amazed at just how much all of the comments on here ooze with the love of Christ. This is so incredibly encouraging to see how Christians can build each other up. This whole situation has gotten way out of hand, and nobody is willing to be the bigger man, turn the other cheek and get on with their lives. I feel sorry for the couple, and I pray for them every day, but regardless of who was in the wrong, it doesn’t matter now, it is over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85256385429890332972009-02-25T11:56:00.000-05:002009-02-25T11:56:00.000-05:00Readers: below is a post made by an Anon this morn...Readers: below is a post made by an Anon this morning in a previous thread...sometimes new visitors or those who come across the blog from a Google search will post in an old thread that no one is reading but still relevant.<BR/><BR/>Below is the post.<BR/><BR/><I>Why all the jealousy of a pastor receiving property? Are you not robbing the man who gave the gift his joy in being able to give? Are you not robbing the builder his joy in being able to give? A pastor does not need to reveal this to anyone! I think it is a very small mentality to dwell on this. And trying to place any pastor in the same light as Dr. Graham is equally silly. Dr. Brunson does not owe anyone anything in this regards. I too have given substantial gifts to men of God in the past out of my surplus and being directed of the Lord to give. Perhaps it is sin on everyone's part who is questioning the direction of God in these men who gave to the pastor. Not one of you blogs has mentioned that. Who cares about what someone is given. Do not rob the giver the joy of giving, and do not rob the receiver the joy of the gift. Frankly, I of this petty talk sounds like envy, which is also a sin the last time I checked. </I>FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23200750264376746912009-02-25T11:29:00.000-05:002009-02-25T11:29:00.000-05:00Anon 10:55am...EXCELLENT chronology explaining the...Anon 10:55am...EXCELLENT chronology explaining the methods used by PD movements proponents..Thank You.it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19194346537050039292009-02-25T11:07:00.000-05:002009-02-25T11:07:00.000-05:00Ghost - I directed that comment to myself as well,...Ghost - I directed that comment to myself as well, as I jumped the gun. The sad thing is that the accused will likely never know what was said about him, or the basis of the charges against him unless someone speaks up. I seriously doubt if the SA was brought up in the meeting, or that a concern was raised that the accused may have been photographing the pastors wife. The first can be easily verified by contacting the SA or sheriff's office to see what complaints may have been filed. But if accusations were made by someone in the church to smear the accused by saying he was photographing the pastor's wife, well, unfortunately that can't be corroborated unless a deacon who was present speaks up.<BR/><BR/>Until that time, I for one refuse to believe the church would stoop so low.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24613551934326051392009-02-25T10:55:00.000-05:002009-02-25T10:55:00.000-05:00Sorry if I may have jumped the gun a little. I did...Sorry if I may have jumped the gun a little. I did preface it by saying we do not know for sure, but I also misread and believed that was actually heard on the recording of the meeting. <BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, what I thought we may have come upon is the answer to the question of how this church obtained information on this couple. If this is not the answer, then we are still looking for that answer. Whatever means the church used to obtain information about a church member is at very least unethical, and would not surprise me if it was illegal. <BR/><BR/>Also, thanks for posting that comment left by a Brunson supporter. Doesn't that just ooze with the love of Christ?Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17901919314077124630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-64605865138144675432009-02-25T10:25:00.000-05:002009-02-25T10:25:00.000-05:00the deacons were told to identify those who talk d...the deacons were told to identify those who talk down the church and turn them in....<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>THE PURPOSE DRIVEN PLAYBOOK FOR CHURCH TAKE OVERS.<BR/><BR/>In the past ten years a lot of churches<BR/>in America and in other countries have changed from a traditional New<BR/>Testament church model to a contemporary Purpose Driven model, most<BR/>with sorrowful pitiful results. Thousands of churches have split,<BR/>closed, or had significant reductions in attendance. Most churches,<BR/>after having a brief upsurge in growth, either reverted back to their<BR/>original size or suffered church trauma by introducing the PDC model<BR/>in their congregation. It is important that EVERY church member know<BR/>if their church is targeted for a PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH (PDC)<BR/>takeover. Initially a small clique of church staff including the<BR/>pastor plans the change without telling the rest of the church<BR/>membership. Church Transitions (a PDC training arm) trains the clique<BR/>initiating the change in eight steps. The church is not to be<BR/>informed of the transitions until the fourth step. After the sixth<BR/>step if there are some members in the church who voice concerns the<BR/>following is suggested:#1- Identify those who are resisting the<BR/>changes.#2- Assess the effectiveness of their opposition.#3-<BR/>Befriend those who are undecided about changes.#4- Marginalize more<BR/>persistent resisters or questioners.#5- Vilify those who stay and<BR/>fight.#6- Establish new rules that will silence all resistance. Then<BR/>the members either accept the changes or leave the church. Rick<BR/>Warren, author and director of the PDC movement, says,'When you<BR/>reveal the vision to the church the old pillars are going to leave.<BR/>But let them leave ... they only hold things up.' So what are the<BR/>signs that your church is targeted for a PDC change?#1- Change in<BR/>music to a contemporary rock style.#2- Removal of hymn books...often<BR/>words on a screen.#3- Eliminating the choir or introducing a choral<BR/>'entertainment type' singing group. Repetitive praise lyrics are<BR/>used.#4- Replacing the organ/piano with rock music type instruments.#5- Dressing down to casual informal attire.#8- A repetitive 40 day<BR/>PDC study program stressing psychological relationships with each<BR/>other, the community and the world.#10- Sunday morning, evening,<BR/>and/or Wednesday prayer meetings are changed to other times, named<BR/>differently or eliminated.#14- New versions of the Bible are used.#16- The decor may be changed to eliminate any resemblance to the<BR/>'former church.'#17- The name 'church' is often removed and may be<BR/>called a 'campus.' Denominational names are often removed.#18- An<BR/>emphasis on more fun and party times for the youth.#19- Elimination<BR/>of altar calls or salvation invitations.#20- The elimination of such<BR/>words as 'unsaved,''lost,''hell, and 'sodomy.'#21-<BR/>Reclassification of the saved and lost to the 'churched' and<BR/>'unchurched'#22- The marginalizing or ostracizing of all who are not<BR/>avid promoters of the new PDC program. <BR/><BR/>http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wilkesboro-nc/T3435LK785LB5EROGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59749849566195398872009-02-25T08:46:00.000-05:002009-02-25T08:46:00.000-05:00Does 9:38 PM not feel well, or can he just not spe...Does 9:38 PM not feel well, or can he just not spell?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59624574472643768162009-02-24T22:52:00.000-05:002009-02-24T22:52:00.000-05:00Anon 9:20pm...No they did not..But I wish them the...Anon 9:20pm...No they did not..But I wish them the best and may the Lord heal them from this ordeal..it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-67841661120763024042009-02-24T21:38:00.000-05:002009-02-24T21:38:00.000-05:00Readers - below is a post that some blogger tried ...Readers - below is a post that some blogger tried to post here 6 times. I've deleted the name of the accused that he has peppered in here. <BR/><BR/>Very revealing. And great timing that this post comes in after the deacons met to discuss the accused. I guess now that the accused family's name is out there, more of these kinds of emails will come forth.<BR/><BR/>Its a sad time in the life of FBC Jax. <BR/><BR/><I>"zzzzzzz, why don't you stop the charade and move on with your life? All of this petty jealousy about this and that you and other have expressed. Who cares if a pastor is given a property? Only those like you zzzzzzz in your $zzz,000.00 home you purchased in 2001 and other petty people who think that this gift is anything other than a gracious gift from a very good man who has done this many time that I have known him over the last 30 years. zzzzzz, how about putting your money where your mouth, blog is and file suit. Under Florida law you will obviously recoup all of your legal fees and damages, because everyone knows that all of the hearsay, yes hearsay that has been published on the blog is just that. But obviously zzzzzz, you must be a pretty smart fellow. Go ahead and get legal counsel and sue FBC's socks off. I know than you will be able to take your multi-million dolar judgment and buy that dream home you always wanted and move out of your zzzzzz s.f house once you get rich from your slam dunk lawsuit from all of the evil, wealthy members of FBC. zzzzzz, go ahead and make something happen. you obviously have the "facts". Go ahead zzzzzz, come out of the closet, and oh buy the way, you can get New BBC open forum, thy peace, it is written, ghost, and all of the rest of the folks to join in. If all of y'all go together, all of you can get rich. Make it happen, stop talking and MAKE IT HAPPEN. Or maybe just take all of the aforementioned folks with you and start your own church. You can even blog it. I am glad that I don't go to FBC and have to put up with all of the lies and hatred spewing from your website. Maybe you can quit your cushy sales job and start blogging all of the churches. I am sure zzzz that you can make a substantial living slandering and stalking other churches in northeast Florida, but why stop just here. Why not go nationwide with all of the abuses of all of the evil people in all of the evil churches in all of the evil towns in America, but why stop there go world wide. zzzzz I am sure that your wife and daughter would be proud. But it all starts with going after the evil Team Brunson. After all he is pastor of that evil First Baptist Church, and zzzzz we all know that you would like to get rich because everyone knows that your writings are as tru as the Gospel. Thy Peace, Ghost, and It IS Written sure seam to think so. zzzzz I bet they would help you in your quest to terminate Team Brunson and all of his eeeevvviiilll henchmen. GO FOT IT111 SHUT EMMM DOWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNN. "</I>FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84957244204221259732009-02-24T21:25:00.000-05:002009-02-24T21:25:00.000-05:00Thy Peace,Don't you have a job or something else t...Thy Peace,<BR/><BR/>Don't you have a job or something else to do during the day?<BR/><BR/>It's sad that you constantly have to give superfluous chatter to this blog daily. Does everyone up there ignore you/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76467645740105286252009-02-24T21:23:00.000-05:002009-02-24T21:23:00.000-05:00anon 7:44Right, why don't you perjure yourself on ...anon 7:44<BR/><BR/>Right, why don't you perjure yourself on Wednesday night.<BR/><BR/>What a warped sense of what fun is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com