tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8089573343072825880..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Pastors' Mutual Admiration Societies or "Cult of Personality" - It Borders on "Creepy" at TimesFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86971701977415221582013-06-03T19:27:03.675-04:002013-06-03T19:27:03.675-04:00We are all adults here.No one grabbed my wallet w...We are all adults here.No one grabbed my wallet when I was there,in fact I didnt even hear about a collection until the last 50 secs of the service and it was stated if you want to give you can.Nobody twists your arm,unlike the little home town Methodist Church I grew up attending where an offering plate was passed twice a sermon ,lol.I was made feel more welcome there than ANY other church ever.Besides, its about you and gods relationship not you god and the pastor.If you are looking for a pastor to save you ,then you obviously dont understand the word period.The preacher is just a speaker,you accept the holy spirit.I hope I have helped you,peace and love<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47222014292777614472013-03-12T15:12:04.264-04:002013-03-12T15:12:04.264-04:00Say what you want about these money hungry church ...Say what you want about these money hungry church builders, what do they care. They don’t believe in God, or else they would not so foolishly gamble away eternity, and they don’t care what anyone says just so the money keeps rolling in.<br /><br />Their followers are like those who cried out “crucified him,” blindly following their blind leaders. Will the Son Of God find faith when he returns to earth? Not much, for sure. The smell of burning flesh will be horrific.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77114853428085510652012-07-07T22:48:00.705-04:002012-07-07T22:48:00.705-04:00No criticism? No one gets critiqued until they di...No criticism? No one gets critiqued until they die? No wonder xtian churches struggle with the basics so much.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-88852365359007461712012-07-07T16:57:54.208-04:002012-07-07T16:57:54.208-04:00Judge not lest you be judged guys - God is big eno...Judge not lest you be judged guys - God is big enough to take care of His Household but criticism and slander is not endorsed by the New Testament so please be careful what you say about God's kidsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77200376529995690752012-06-29T14:33:25.209-04:002012-06-29T14:33:25.209-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29935436873072429362012-06-29T14:31:50.326-04:002012-06-29T14:31:50.326-04:00Charasmatics have been doing this since I was a ki...Charasmatics have been doing this since I was a kid. I remember watching Fred Price and Kenneth Hagin butter each other up to their respective audiences (I won't call them churches). Kenneth Copeland made this practice a regular part of his show.<br /><br />Televangelists learned early on that, rather than competition, fellow televangelist interaction actually increased the financial pie. It is like getting the Avengers all together in one movie... audiences eat it up.<br /><br />Nice to see Evangelicals are discovering the tricks to the money trade that Charasmatics have been milking for decades.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12494823779999456396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44645904423611349712012-01-26T11:53:13.954-05:002012-01-26T11:53:13.954-05:00If you look at the early church as it is defined i...If you look at the early church as it is defined in the New Testament, a church is supposed to have elders to oversee the church and how it is run. He has 5 guys(other pastors who are not members of his church) They don't even live in the same city or state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2638547787589665602011-10-30T01:58:08.422-04:002011-10-30T01:58:08.422-04:00Karen,
The 5 people who set his salary are chosen...Karen,<br /> The 5 people who set his salary are chosen by him, and like his salary, are not disclosed. I'll say it again: Furtick says there are 5 people, chosen by him, but he won't tell you who they are, who set his salary. The people who attend Elevation continue to defend him, and when you bring this up, they'll say things like "all the financial info is on the web-site," or one of my favorites "he tithes 40% of his salary." I asked the person who said that "how do you know he tithes 40% if you don't know his salary?" Obviously, we also don't know the dollar amout of the 40%, or we would know the salary, assuming the 40% info is correct. Why it doesn't bother the people who attend this "church" is beyond me. If a "pastor" won't disclose his salary, how can you trust them with your money? I have never once heard of a pastor who won't disclose his salary. In most cases, the church board sets the salary, but this church has no board...it is run by Furtick and his LLC. His latest book is $50 a copy, and he has a "conference" that you can attend for something like $700. The man makes millions, and continues to expand. He has to have a large following, because it's mostly 20 somethings that are attracted to his circus, and they obviously don't make that much money for the most part. The church actually has a post on its web-site stating something like "for detailed financial info, just contact the church." I have done so not once, not twice, but 3 times, and guess what...you guessed it, no info. It absolutely boggles the imagination why anyone would listen to anything this person has to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87135333057239930262011-10-18T16:18:45.080-04:002011-10-18T16:18:45.080-04:00I don't know if you're old enough yet to h...I don't know if you're old enough yet to have figured this out WD, but this might be the moment...<br /><br />When you screw up (as apparently you did), you can apologize sincerely, be repentant, and know that God will forgive you...the victims might forgive you....but the howling mobs will never let it go. Ten years from now, "anon #56783" will remind you of it. It's their "edge"....that which demonstrates (in their mind) their superior spirituality....that they are "not like that watchdog, thank the Lord!"Ed Franklinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878045658191730881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-82707374356141880112011-10-18T10:42:33.460-04:002011-10-18T10:42:33.460-04:00David - yes, I am truly sorry for that post. It wa...David - yes, I am truly sorry for that post. It was a lapse in judgment. I assume the family is aware of the post and that it caused them grief, and if so I would like to personally apologize to them and ask their forgiveness.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-23585202248667761142011-10-18T10:20:02.982-04:002011-10-18T10:20:02.982-04:00Hey Dawg, If you are truly sorry for the baptismal...Hey Dawg, If you are truly sorry for the baptismal debacle (or for you Tom a complete lapse of Judgment and forethought) then why don't you say so not in convoluted posts of an unrelated thread? Maybe you could entitle your apology: I Officially Suck as a Human Being. Seriously, if you are wrong about something this horrific then why don't you hold yourself to the same standard that you "watch" these other guys? Time to come clean, Dawg, I cannot think of a better place to start than your own blog. Let's see what a man of integrity that you are.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37417913128504494742011-10-18T00:33:33.862-04:002011-10-18T00:33:33.862-04:00Does anyone know who the five people are who set S...Does anyone know who the five people are who set Steven Furtick's salary?<br /><br />Someone mentioned Ed Young, so that's one. I would bet that Perry Noble would be one of the five. And, given the love fest between Groeschel and Furtick, how could he not be a part of the gang? <br /><br />I find that Elevation puts out information that gives folks the idea that everything they do is above board (group that sets the salary, annual report, 12% of all monies coming in go to missions, etc.) when in reality it stops way short of telling the whole truth. Transparency is not a strength of Steven Furtick or Elevation Church. <br /><br />KarenM in Charlotte, NC (yes, the place that supports religious hucksters)Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01683889145037000073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78790570196276980032011-10-17T23:55:21.899-04:002011-10-17T23:55:21.899-04:00The congregation must have ultimate confidence in ...The congregation must have ultimate confidence in the trustworthiness and quality of its leaders. What better way than to have very important people continually dropping in to reinforce that confidence? Without the constant affirmation of greatness, they might begin to harbor doubts about their leaders' apotheosis. Then where would they be? No, guest appearances constitute essential services in the megachurch world.cheezewhizchurchhttp://cheezewhizchurch.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44544313650838757052011-10-17T22:51:37.727-04:002011-10-17T22:51:37.727-04:00I did remove the post featuring the little girl be...I did remove the post featuring the little girl being baptized. I did see a video of her family's testimony, and I am very sorry for using that picture. My sincerest apologies to the family for any hurt I might have caused in that post.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27347349752340027722011-10-17T20:49:50.082-04:002011-10-17T20:49:50.082-04:00Wait a minute...Is it legal for a Pastor to have h...Wait a minute...Is it legal for a Pastor to have his friends set his salary???<br /><br />Do the 10,000 members know this stuff?<br /><br />Could Franklin Graham have his friends set his salary at the BGEA?<br /><br />Oh?<br /><br />Have you read this little article about Brother Franklin (Charlotte NC gave us Jim and Tammy, Steven Furtick, and Franklin Graham....what is wrong with those folks?)<br /><br />"I enjoy and love what I do…It’s not a job, it’s a calling…. I’d do it for nothing.” -Franklin Graham<br /><br />I’d say $1.2 million – what Billy Graham’s son makes double-dipping a full-time salary from Samaritan’s Purse and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association – is quite a bit more than nothing for a job he is “called” to do. <br /><br />I wonder how many shoe boxes he could fill for $1.2 millionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22295968241785195982011-10-17T19:02:47.068-04:002011-10-17T19:02:47.068-04:00Yikes! I thought Steve was going to bend Craig ov...Yikes! I thought Steve was going to bend Craig over backwards and plant a big sloppy one right on the lips! Gag me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19450409586631142822011-10-17T13:30:44.018-04:002011-10-17T13:30:44.018-04:00Is an Occupy Pastor Street in the near future?Is an Occupy Pastor Street in the near future?Scottienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47053306615459262772011-10-17T11:39:56.660-04:002011-10-17T11:39:56.660-04:00By the way, Rev. Ed Young Jr. is one of the "...By the way, Rev. Ed Young Jr. is one of the "influential" Pastors that sets up "Pastor" Steven's salary.<br /><br />Mr. 10,000 square feet, jet flying, limo driving Ed is actually allowed by Elevation Church to set their Pastor's salary.<br /><br />This is like Wall Street where the salaries of the CEO's are set by their "Board" that is made up of other CEO's....<br /><br />Come quickly Lord Jesus!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89504748245675248782011-10-17T11:26:29.752-04:002011-10-17T11:26:29.752-04:00This is from their website at Elevation Church.......This is from their website at Elevation Church....<br /><br />"Who sets the Pastor’s salary?<br />Pastor Steven has a Board of Overseers that he is accountable to and their primary purpose is to set the salary of the Lead Pastor as indicated in the church bylaws. The Board is comprised of five members. Three of the five are senior pastors of large churches in the Southeast and understand the pressures of a fast-growing church."<br /><br />So....his buddies set his salary!<br /><br />WOW!!! Would you not LOVE a job where your Friends set your salary!!<br /><br />The old saying is true....there is a SUCKER born every minute...a lot of them live in Charlotte NC!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51684488689489170972011-10-17T02:36:24.156-04:002011-10-17T02:36:24.156-04:00LOL!!!
'The fact that you cite Wikipedia show...LOL!!!<br /><br />'The fact that you cite Wikipedia shows how little thought you put into it.'<br /><br />The fact that that was the best insult you could come up with shows how little thought you put into it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27889389430855551632011-10-16T19:24:18.512-04:002011-10-16T19:24:18.512-04:00one of the countless anons sez: "let them do...one of the countless anons sez: "let them do church their way in peace."<br /><br />Nice summation! "their way"....never mind God's way, i.e. as prescribed in His Word..but "their" way, according to the dictates of the relevant culture and the preeminent flesh....the Church of Celebrity.<br /><br />"in peace".....for now. "... for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account..."<br />(Hebrews 13:17) Too bad so few "pastors" take that giving of account to God as any serious matter as they continue along "their way"Ed Franklinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05878045658191730881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13751750277592201722011-10-16T16:17:22.888-04:002011-10-16T16:17:22.888-04:00it's hard to imagine how flying somewhere to j...it's hard to imagine how flying somewhere to just introduce someone is good stewardship of church finances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14283111796746873512011-10-16T15:45:11.335-04:002011-10-16T15:45:11.335-04:00Seriously? Find something worthwhile to write abou...Seriously? Find something worthwhile to write about. Maybe even write about something with a heart for the Kingdom of God. The fact that you cite Wikipedia just goes to show the lack of thought you actually put into this. At least lives are being changed and the Kingdom is being advanced through some of the popular mega churches. Which can't be said of most large SBC churches. Legalism and fear of change are crippling the SBC. God is not confined to cultural preferences and traditions. So unless they are being heretical (which despite criticism they are not. Ive worked with Pator Steven many times personally over the last 10 years and he is a guinely passionate guy)l let them do church their way in peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57899672935736868882011-10-16T14:58:20.142-04:002011-10-16T14:58:20.142-04:00BOJAC said:
I have always felt that it is our Lor...BOJAC said:<br /><br />I have always felt that it is our Lord's approval we should seek.<br /><br />You are so right in that comment. That could be a THD disseration right there,and a needed one.<br /><br />My younger brother is a pastor of a small SBC, not a lot of hoopla and accolades from big woo's. Just staying in the call, whatever it takes, no speaking gigs or book signings. All pastors need to be reminded of your one line there. THanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26437722697656337282011-10-16T02:11:58.884-04:002011-10-16T02:11:58.884-04:00False idols
And yes -- it is CREEPY.False idols<br /><br />And yes -- it is CREEPY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com