tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8166211235692506156..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "Holy Ground" Dirt from FBC Dallas Construction Site is Given to Members as a Reminder to "Pray" (and Pay) for the New Church ConstructionFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77582046377273682232011-06-05T11:12:10.940-04:002011-06-05T11:12:10.940-04:00Oh yes, one more thing. About that Hispanic family...Oh yes, one more thing. About that Hispanic family being baptized in Dallas.... No, that fact alone should not be remarkable. But the fact that there were 14 from one family baptized all at once--we'll that's a little unusual, don't you think? And we praise God.<br />You should, too.<br /><br />June 2, 2011 8:04 AM<br /><br />For sucking more gullible people into these temples of entertainment? For following mere men who are really charlatans?<br /><br />Please tell me you are not believing in some sort of baptismal regeneration.<br /><br />If these poor people were not discerning enough to see FBCDallas for what it is, I can only pray they read and study on their own to know the REAL Jesus Christ and to have some pure wisdom and discernment of the HOly Spirit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63821202482453518542011-06-02T23:03:23.726-04:002011-06-02T23:03:23.726-04:00Your blog is very informative and provide lots of ...Your blog is very informative and provide lots of ideas and inspiration. Thanks for sharing your knowledgeRastreatorhttp://noticiasmix.com/rastreator-comparador-de-seguros-online/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-77244080443748911082011-06-02T08:04:41.005-04:002011-06-02T08:04:41.005-04:00Oh yes, one more thing. About that Hispanic family...Oh yes, one more thing. About that Hispanic family being baptized in Dallas.... No, that fact alone should not be remarkable. But the fact that there were 14 from one family baptized all at once--we'll that's a little unusual, don't you think? And we praise God.<br />You should, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30840231639392791192011-06-01T21:30:00.578-04:002011-06-01T21:30:00.578-04:00""It's not how I see you, but more a...""It's not how I see you, but more about how you present yourself."<br /><br />Amen.<br /><br />If you follow Jon closely, as some of us have over many threads, one can start picking up on how he weaves ad hominem into every discussion. <br /><br />He is the master of deflection and deception. He represents a lot of what passesfor "pastor" out there. The internet has been a blessing so we can see it firsthand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41577023714184442702011-06-01T12:27:30.980-04:002011-06-01T12:27:30.980-04:00"I'll bow out for a few days or so and le..."I'll bow out for a few days or so and let you cool down. When I return I will work to deal with the subject matter and not join in any personal bantering. Whether I agree or disagree with where people stand on the subject."<br /> <br />As I have noted many times before, I do not get emotionally involved when contending for the faith. It's about facts and knowledge not feelings.<br /><br />"I do hope that will help you not let me be the focus of your day."<br /><br />Jon, I think this blog has become the focus of not just your day but almost an obsession. I once counted over 30 comments from you on a single topic. <br /><br />How are you able to accomplish anything at work when you spend so much time on this blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68528284477150800062011-06-01T12:24:17.458-04:002011-06-01T12:24:17.458-04:00"This is getting out of hand if you are keepi..."This is getting out of hand if you are keeping score. Maybe the focus is wrong. To me that is just silly."<br /><br />What is getting out of hand if your giant ego that can't admit when you are wrong and I am right.<br /><br />You are right the focus should be on scripture and its proper interpration instead of offering ad hominem attacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4575857382827179182011-06-01T12:22:52.628-04:002011-06-01T12:22:52.628-04:00"Likewise I see no need for your approval or ..."Likewise I see no need for your approval or your final interpretation on all things."<br /><br />Another straw man argument and a silly one at that considering you have already changed your interpretation to match mine after an extended discussion with me on more than one occasion.<br /><br />Again your problem is not with me but with the proper interpretation of the Word.<br /><br />Just as a side note (not that I expect you to understand), but it is hypocritical to accuse someone of trying to impose their view on others when you are doing the very same thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84835378801313131552011-06-01T12:18:11.025-04:002011-06-01T12:18:11.025-04:00"I know how you see me and it really doesn..."I know how you see me and it really doesn't matter but I am unaware of me calling anyone names. I have seen a lot of names being thrown around... even some my way."<br /><br />Again, it's not really about me. It's not how I see you, but more about how you present yourself.<br /><br />Your interpretations are flawed as evidenced by your constantly changing positions.<br /><br />The reference to name-calling is your silly attempt to divert away from the issue by tying to lump all anonymous posters into one category, and then pretend as if you know something about them.<br /><br />It's called an ad hominem attack. Oldest trick in the book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46062480003732095092011-06-01T12:10:59.711-04:002011-06-01T12:10:59.711-04:00"I wasn't keeping score."
That'..."I wasn't keeping score."<br /><br />That's because you are losing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22571180622751276862011-06-01T11:18:06.671-04:002011-06-01T11:18:06.671-04:00"What that means is that all the cheap talk i..."What that means is that all the cheap talk in the world means nothing. Anyone can talk. What counts is the scoreboard."<br /><br />I wasn't keeping score.<br /><br />"You can babble on with your bad logic, straw man arguments, self-serving interpretations and name calling, but in the end it means nothing."<br /><br />I know how you see me and it really doesn't matter but I am unaware of me calling anyone names. I have seen a lot of names being thrown around... even some my way.<br /><br />"I find no such need for men's approval and feel free to use reliable hermaneutic principles."<br /><br />Likewise I see no need for your approval or your final interpretation on all things.<br /><br />This is getting out of hand if you are keeping score. Maybe the focus is wrong. To me that is just silly.<br /><br />I'll bow out for a few days or so and let you cool down. When I return I will work to deal with the subject matter and not join in any personal bantering. Whether I agree or disagree with where people stand on the subject. I do hope that will help you not let me be the focus of your day.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70877369127660537152011-06-01T11:07:38.038-04:002011-06-01T11:07:38.038-04:00""You need to remain anonymous. You need...""You need to remain anonymous. You need to hide from man. You can't hide from God. Or did I misinterpret that last sentence also?"<br /><br />So much for Jon's return to a civil tone."<br /><br />Nothing uncivil intended about it. Just a suggestion and a fact.<br /><br />If it offended you, I do apologize. That was not my intent. The question was intended to be slightly sarcastic. I do see how it could offend, I'll be glad to remove it.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37692506622140115972011-06-01T10:12:46.836-04:002011-06-01T10:12:46.836-04:00"You need to remain anonymous. You need to hi..."You need to remain anonymous. You need to hide from man. You can't hide from God. Or did I misinterpret that last sentence also?"<br /><br />So much for Jon's return to a civil tone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30309321177177751732011-06-01T10:11:52.215-04:002011-06-01T10:11:52.215-04:00"Go ahead and say it. Tell us you interpret s..."Go ahead and say it. Tell us you interpret scripture correctly at all times. Tell us you have arrived and no longer need to be changed. You not only interpret it all correctly you obey it perfectly. Please let us in on your secret."<br /><br />In sports, when one guy starts trash talking when he is losing the game, the other player sometimes uses the phrase "scoreboard."<br /><br />What that means is that all the cheap talk in the world means nothing. Anyone can talk. What counts is the scoreboard.<br /><br />It's the same with you Jon. You can babble on with your bad logic, straw man arguments, self-serving interpretations and name calling, but in the end it means nothing.<br /><br />The only thing that matters is the scoreboard. <br /><br />The scoreboard says that you are losing Jon. You have changed your life-long interpretations to my view more than once and were not able to defend your other positions biblically.<br /><br />On the other hand, you have presented no compeling evidence for me to reconsider my positions.<br /><br />And that's mostly because your interests are divided being a professional Christian. You seem to need to agree with the traditional view for approval from the big names in the busiess.<br /><br />I find no such need for men's approval and feel free to use reliable hermaneutic principles.<br /><br />Scoreboard Jon scoreboard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-63750732233235622492011-06-01T10:03:16.624-04:002011-06-01T10:03:16.624-04:00"I interpret scripture fine and continue to g..."I interpret scripture fine and continue to grow in my understanding of it daily. What I don't do is interpret it exactly like you. That seems to be a problem with you."<br /><br />This sounds good, but it's not really true is it?<br /><br />Let's take the OT tithe for example. You held onto a 50 year traditional (incorrect) view until you discussed it with me for 3 days.<br /><br />Then you changed your view over the weekend and tried to pretend it didn't have anything to do with our conversation.<br /><br />Not only are your interpretation skills sorely lacking, but you are also ungrateful to someone that helped relieve you of your ignorance and are too arrogant to admit the truth.<br /><br />You ended up agreeing with my interpreation anyway.<br /><br />Sorry Jon - there is a paper trail. You aren't allowed to make that claim any longer. <br /><br />Hypocritically you continue to claim that I want you to agree with me while at the same time trying to convince others of your position.<br /><br />In reality, your actions (changing your life long position and agreeing with me) shows for all the world to see that you have no hermeaneutic skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53421199796067532862011-06-01T09:32:10.852-04:002011-06-01T09:32:10.852-04:00"I am sure the Lord wanted them to live with ..."I am sure the Lord wanted them to live with millions of dollars of antiques surrounding them. Even if ALL of it was "gifted" (right).<br /><br />Ater all, God wants His "special people" to be surrounded in luxury. The Bible says so. All we have to do it think of Paul's villa in Corinth. And we forget that Peter furnished his palace (gifted, of course) with artifacts he collected. "<br /><br />Sounds like you have a problem with ministers being wealthy.<br /><br />Since you know so much about the Criswell's can you tell us where their wealth came from?<br /><br />Just a question: If I were to buy something for lets say 10,000.00 and hold on to it for, let's say, a decade or two and someone offers me 1,000,000.00 for it... would I be sinning to sell it the value?<br /><br />"I would think that a pastor who wasn't able to interpret scripture correctly as we are commanded to do would be embarrased to sign his name, but apparently ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand."<br /><br />I interpret scripture fine and continue to grow in my understanding of it daily. What I don't do is interpret it exactly like you. That seems to be a problem with you.<br /><br />Go ahead and say it. Tell us you interpret scripture correctly at all times. Tell us you have arrived and no longer need to be changed. You not only interpret it all correctly you obey it perfectly. Please let us in on your secret.<br /><br />"Such impact for God's glory you were claiming for Criswell.'<br /><br />At least I knew Criswell. One who I never looked for perfection from and saw some flaws in but I learned much from him and those at FBCD.<br /><br />You need to remain anonymous. You need to hide from man. You can't hide from God. Or did I misinterpret that last sentence also?Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60488323374149352842011-06-01T09:28:11.411-04:002011-06-01T09:28:11.411-04:00"I would think that a pastor who wasn't a..."I would think that a pastor who wasn't able to interpret scripture correctly as we are commanded to do would be embarrased to sign his name, but apparently ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand."<br /><br />I have often wondered why more pastors do not defend Jon, here. We know that several read here.<br /><br />I do notice that Jon stays away from certain pastor blogs and those I have seen him comment on in the past, he is very different in how he comes across. <br /><br />I think he takes out his frustrations on us. Obviously, he cannot talk down to those who pay his salary this way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59587372897694361002011-06-01T09:16:09.682-04:002011-06-01T09:16:09.682-04:00"Probably not the last, either. I am not as b..."Probably not the last, either. I am not as brilliantly blessed as many other unknown people. I would think someone with so much to offer would not hide their identity. But maybe some people have things top hide."<br /><br />I would think that a pastor who wasn't able to interpret scripture correctly as we are commanded to do would be embarrased to sign his name, but apparently ignorance and arrogance go hand in hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-45351485766681899772011-06-01T09:13:07.103-04:002011-06-01T09:13:07.103-04:00"What do you know about their home and its co..."What do you know about their home and its cost and how it was furnished? Can you tell me how much of their stuff was gifted to them from people around the world who they help impact for God's kingdom?"<br /><br />Oh, good one, Jon. The old 'gifting' explanation.<br /><br /> I am simply quoting Mrs. Criswell about her shopping trips to Europe for antiques. I am not sure if these articles are online or not. They go way back. <br /><br />I am sure the Lord wanted them to live with millions of dollars of antiques surrounding them. Even if ALL of it was "gifted" (right).<br /><br />Ater all, God wants His "special people" to be surrounded in luxury. The Bible says so. All we have to do it think of Paul's villa in Corinth. And we forget that Peter furnished his palace (gifted, of course) with artifacts he collected. <br /><br />They forgot to have mini busts made of themself for sale, though, like Criswell did. Too bad.<br /><br />Such impact for God's glory you were claiming for Criswell.<br /><br />(Good thing he gave up that segregation thing he preached so long or he would not have ended up so rich)<br /><br />Maurilio, are you reading...mini busts of Mac.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71690531577476115582011-05-31T23:06:31.288-04:002011-05-31T23:06:31.288-04:00"They sure made enough to have home with a mi..."They sure made enough to have home with a million dollars worth of antiques. maybe Mrs. Criswell was secretly working."<br /><br />What do you know about their home and its cost and how it was furnished? Can you tell me how much of their stuff was gifted to them from people around the world who they help impact for God's kingdom?<br /><br />Don't believe everything negative thing you hear about the Criswell's. Not all is true. They were good people who impacted God's kingdom for His glory for many years.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-19662029974637972822011-05-31T22:57:48.762-04:002011-05-31T22:57:48.762-04:00"You are confusing me with someone else."..."You are confusing me with someone else."<br /><br />I wouldn't know and since so many here have the very same name... it does get confusing as a result.<br /><br />"Not the first time you have been comfused."<br /><br />Probably not the last, either. I am not as brilliantly blessed as many other unknown people. I would think someone with so much to offer would not hide their identity. But maybe some people have things top hide.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60579721075232454952011-05-31T18:36:42.955-04:002011-05-31T18:36:42.955-04:00Have you seen the Jordan River lately. Stephen Cob...Have you seen the Jordan River lately. Stephen Cobert showed a picture of all the pollution that would make one choke at being baptized there.<br />His reaction to the picture was classic, "Holy #$%#$@ !"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30186155324149781872011-05-31T18:30:37.380-04:002011-05-31T18:30:37.380-04:00"Not all things we think are deception are. T..."Not all things we think are deception are. To not see it your way does not mean anyone is following men."<br /><br />Sure Jon, As long as we ignore facts, fruit and twist everything including scripture. You can make evil look good! Deception look normal!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68441247571788273472011-05-31T18:28:14.467-04:002011-05-31T18:28:14.467-04:00"Actually that is not true. Dr. Criswell gave..."Actually that is not true. Dr. Criswell gave back everything the church ever paid him. His wealth was made by means outside the church."<br /><br />Oh, that is a good one. You mean books, speaking gigs, etc. Of course, that has NOTHING to do with the church....gee....I wonder what he wrote and talked about that made him all that money.<br /><br />They sure made enough to have home with a million dollars worth of antiques. maybe Mrs. Criswell was secretly working.<br /><br />Jon loves his charlatans. Hopes to be one, I am sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59936321272871734252011-05-31T18:20:16.595-04:002011-05-31T18:20:16.595-04:00Holy just means "dedicated, "set apart.&...Holy just means "dedicated, "set apart." As in Lincoln's famous text at the Dedication of a cemetary. <br /><br />That's all that Holy Ground means. It's not as scandalous as WD would make it. (The Media, including bloggers, must bring the back of their hand up to their forehead in feigned indignation in order to keep viewers/readers.)<br /><br />It's just an arresting image/reminder to pray. <br />No one has yet to report seeing an image of Jesus in the dirt.<br />It just real estate that will be used for a single purpose.<br /><br />Have you ever pocketed a rock or other momento from a vacation? You know, like astronauts and their Moon Rocks. They might even put it under glass, and label it with an engraved caption....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59451063926045904362011-05-31T13:42:12.951-04:002011-05-31T13:42:12.951-04:00"Go ahead and make your caustic statement abo..."Go ahead and make your caustic statement about former FBCJ pastors. Those men of God who have been used as positive examples in the Maurello thread stream (thanks Kyle)."<br /><br />You are confusing me with someone else. <br /><br />Not the first time you have been comfused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com