tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post823306228816798762..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Rude is as Rude DoesFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47377885269151488012009-01-10T10:36:00.000-05:002009-01-10T10:36:00.000-05:00Annon. 8:02 End of A Perfect Day:I, like you and o...Annon. 8:02 End of A Perfect Day:<BR/>I, like you and others that were in the Lindsay Sr., and Jr. era, remember the graciousness with which Jesus was presented. I do not worship the past, but long for a gentler day within the church. I think the elements missing now are harmful to the cause of Christ. I do not respond to arrogance, anger, and pomposity. Nor, do I think, many do. The Lindsays were serious about leading the lost to Jesus. They were gentlemen in the pulpit, and out of it. Both were bold preachers of the Gospel, compromising nothing in the Word. They presented the whole counsel of God and were forceful in their preaching style. But the difference was in the gentle manner they treated ALL people. You cannot "badger" people into salvation. Nor can you talk down to those who have been in the congregation for years. Many having served.<BR/>The difference here is in "class" and allowing Jesus to control your manner. You cannot show forth the love of Christ, that died on the Cross, while angrily "spitting" hatefulness at the people. It is ridiculous to have to endure it week after week, much less be "badgered" into "paying" for it. I have come to question whether Salvation of the lost is still the mandate, and primary reason for the existence of this church. And indeed, the "calling" of this preacher. So many of the important things that go into leading the lost to Jesus are no longer prominent. Such as encouraging witnessing, visitation, just generally showing the love of Christ to ALL. There is a callousness and meaness in the church now. The world is such a cold, hateful place, the church is to be a haven and respite from it. Believers are to be kind to each other. I have not felt kindness for a long time. We must understand that the primary reason for any church is to lead the lost to saving Grace and to Grow in knowledge of HIM, and in HIS Word.<BR/>Indeed we miss the End of a Perfect Day, and the loving graciousness of these two men that encouraged us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7104298921258482542009-01-09T20:02:00.000-05:002009-01-09T20:02:00.000-05:00I never remember anyone leaving the church during ...I never remember anyone leaving the church during the "once again we've come to the end of a perfect day at God's house, with the late Lindsay Sr. <BR/><BR/>Almost everyone in the congregation waited, and would not dare leave during the sermon or invitation because they did not want to miss the blessing of being sent out into the world, workplace and communities without hearing the soothing, reassuring words of "yes, we've come to a perfect day in God's house." <BR/><BR/>I do not worship the past, but some of the gentleness and gracious manner with which members were treated was a standard that Mr.Brunson should honor and emulate for the sake of presenting Jesus first, not self.<BR/><BR/>There are many existing deacons, trustees and members still in attendance who should reflect from whence commeth the present and question the future under the present regime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62712409249398905512009-01-09T18:21:00.000-05:002009-01-09T18:21:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13928385909336911442009-01-09T14:13:00.000-05:002009-01-09T14:13:00.000-05:00"Thanks, Scott, for nailing it on the head. I'd gi..."Thanks, Scott, for nailing it on the head. I'd give more if I had it. I certainly would not bow down to some "watchdog"'s self-imposed gift limit dictate.<BR/><BR/>PS Anon 10:30: My gray crown speaks for itself.<BR/><BR/>January 9, 2009 1:52 PM"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Well, if you feel so strongly...if you don't have enough to impress...get thyself a second or third job, and give it all, not to the church, but to the pompous pastor, and then maybe you will get a commercial featuring yourself which would be displayed during a worship service...<BR/><BR/>Treasure...ochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00910693449008506409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44429752511941241442009-01-09T13:52:00.000-05:002009-01-09T13:52:00.000-05:00Thanks, Scott, for nailing it on the head. I'd giv...Thanks, Scott, for nailing it on the head. I'd give more if I had it. I certainly would not bow down to some "watchdog"'s self-imposed gift limit dictate.<BR/><BR/>PS Anon 10:30: My gray crown speaks for itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54003255879283263182009-01-09T13:11:00.000-05:002009-01-09T13:11:00.000-05:00Sounds great...I suppose then they'll be refunding...Sounds great...I suppose then they'll be refunding the money that attendees have already paid for the premium sessions.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57720077034449879662009-01-09T12:02:00.000-05:002009-01-09T12:02:00.000-05:00A little off topic...I just recieved an email tell...A little off topic...<BR/>I just recieved an email telling me the Premium sessions at Pastors Conference are now free.<BR/><BR/>I am a pastor who made the annual trek to Jacksonville each year to be challenged and encouraged in ministry. I won't be attending this year as budgets are tight at the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84880866251850850592009-01-09T10:30:00.000-05:002009-01-09T10:30:00.000-05:00I am not Watchdog.. but I will say here... Wait un...I am not Watchdog.. but I will say here... Wait until you are "elder" and see if you feel you have an "elder complex", especially when people younger than you are trying to tell you what to do. The advantage of age is ALWAYS EXPERIENCE!!!! As the saying goes..."Youth is wasted on the young".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53604359847448037602009-01-09T09:00:00.000-05:002009-01-09T09:00:00.000-05:00I love how the Dog has to always imply Roberts you...I love how the Dog has to always imply Roberts youth in such a condescending manner.....I think the the dog has a serious elder complex.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2939432125630614262009-01-08T21:42:00.000-05:002009-01-08T21:42:00.000-05:00Good point Anon...the contradictions and hypocrici...Good point Anon...the contradictions and hypocricies are so many its hard to keep up. How sacred is he treating out sanctuary when he holds a fund raiser for an Israeli hospital where abortions are performed...and how sacred is it to charge $12,000 for a "premium promotions package" for the pastor's conference.<BR/><BR/>As I said the brazennes and hypocrisy of Mac the Knife is breathtaking...FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8222412755415575232009-01-08T21:27:00.000-05:002009-01-08T21:27:00.000-05:00After listening and watching the video, I do have ...After listening and watching the video, I do have a problem with Mac saying "we should treat this place a little more sacred that we treat it. This is God's house."<BR/><BR/>The very stage he was standing on and expounding these words of wisdom is the very same stage he has placed for sale to the highest bidder during the upcoming pastor's conference. Some respect he is showing, don't you think? <BR/><BR/>Double standards for the pastor and hypocrisy at in action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70909189634010093042009-01-08T21:10:00.000-05:002009-01-08T21:10:00.000-05:00Does Mrs. Brunson serve in the church in any capac...Does Mrs. Brunson serve in the church in any capacity? I know she is on staff. That is her paid position. I mean does she teach a Sunday School class, does she visit the sick in the homes or hospitals? Does she visit for the purpose of leading someone to Jesus? I assume she visits friends, but what about the lost. I have heard that she has given a testimony on mission trips. But how does she participate in the local church she is in? Has she ever given her salvation testimony? I know it isn't required, but it is good to hear a pastors wife give her salvation testimony. Maybe she has and I missed it. Shirley would talk about Jesus as long as anyone would listen, anytime, anywhere. I am not being critical, I just wondered about these things. I truly don't know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76948277667303539722009-01-08T20:43:00.000-05:002009-01-08T20:43:00.000-05:00No one in leadership wants to admit they made a mi...No one in leadership wants to admit they made a mistake in bringing Mac to Jax,(star struck) after all he was from Big D. People are so shallow when they believe that being from Big D, New York, or Chicago means something. Mac grew up in a little small place called Greenwood, South Carolina...not the other three places. Fortunately, it's not where you are from that counts. It's what you bring with you that counts...humility, kindness, graciousness, able to say no as well as yes, able to learn, able to adjust to others opinions, not wear your feelings on your sleeves. If one cannot do this it really doesn't matter where they were born. Hope this helps in evaluating the encumbent employee. It's also not the suit one wears but who is in the suit, how they show their behavior to others, the manner in which they treat others, especially those to whom they disagree. Paul visited Derbe, Iconium, Antioch, and Lystra. While there he was beaten and stoned. Yet, he returned even willing to die to share the message of salvation. This should make most pastors consider themselves unworthy to call themselves God's man. Paul was Gods man! Many are called but few are chosen. At our best we are but filthy rags!!!! To consider ourselves as worthy in the light of the Cross, is arrogant. To be gracious to ones friends and followers is easy. To be gracious to those that do not agree or even like you is the mark of maturity in Jesus. What's the old saying..."To err is human, to forgive is divine". We all wanted Mac to succeed when he came here. Because that meant the church would succeed, and we would continue in the Lords work of winning souls to Jesus. Somehow, the train left the track.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84931128248609924722009-01-08T19:13:00.000-05:002009-01-08T19:13:00.000-05:00Scott - absolutely, you have every right in the wo...Scott - absolutely, you have every right in the world to offer to a pastor a meal, a vacation, or a $300,000 tract of land. However, I seriously doubt you would give a quarter million to a pastor that you had only just met, would you?<BR/><BR/>And just because a gift is offered, doesn't mean its right for a pastor to accept it - especially if you wrote a book for other pastors saying they shouldn't accept gifts; that makes you look like a hypcrite.<BR/><BR/>Most corporations have rules for their employees to follow when it comes to accepting gifts from vendors or customers - they recognize that its possible for gifts to have an influence on the decision making ability of the employee. I see this as no different at all...pastors should not be accepting large gifts from donors of the church unless it is fully disclosed to the church.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34109065281172660942009-01-08T17:59:00.000-05:002009-01-08T17:59:00.000-05:00"SG says of people leaving early during service, t...<I>"SG says of people leaving early during service, that it would be fun to close the church doors on them while they are leaving, so they will be like bugs hitting the windshield. Then he laughs about it."</I><BR/><BR/>With pleasure...<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://freetostay.multiply.com:80/video/item/5" REL="nofollow">Like bugs on a windshield</A>!New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44127319328135722282009-01-08T17:54:00.000-05:002009-01-08T17:54:00.000-05:00First Baptist may soon be a "paper tiger". They wa...First Baptist may soon be a "paper tiger". They way this economy is going, Mac may soon be holding a whole "lot'a nothin".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-40320601419207608212009-01-08T17:45:00.000-05:002009-01-08T17:45:00.000-05:00I have read this blog for several months now and h...I have read this blog for several months now and have never left a comment until now. I was a member of FBC Dallas for about about two years while I lived there and upon getting married my wife and I left when we moved to another town. During my time there, I really enjoyed Dr. Brunson's syle of preaching, his passion for the Word, and his persistance to share the gospel with the lost world. We left Dallas before he did, but I have continued to follwo him. <BR/><BR/>This blog is a real disappointment. All you people do is spread gossip about your pastor, his family, and other members of your own Church. You want to relive the "Glory Days" of past preachers and not embrace today or the future. <BR/><BR/>Bottomline, it is perfectly legal for me to give my current pastor if I so choose a dinner at McDonalds, A new car, or a new home. That is between me, him, and God. Not any of you. <BR/><BR/>I would encourage you to really examine yourselves in 2009. What are you really doing to further the kingdom? Are you building it up or tearing it down? Because what you are doing on this blog is talked about in Ezekiel and Revelation... you are persecuting the Church my friend. I hope you see that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38507675752747144472009-01-08T17:05:00.000-05:002009-01-08T17:05:00.000-05:00The Mac supporters will back him no matter how bad...The Mac supporters will back him no matter how bad things get. They think that he is God's man. They believe that no pastor ever does anything wrong;THAT ALL PASTORS ARE GOD'S MEN. They refuse to believe that he was the PULPIT COMMITTEES MAN. FBC JAX just rubber stamped him. Hey!!! We only heard him preach one time then voted on him. Give me a break! We had no idea who this guy was. <BR/><BR/>Now we find out that he is making a huge salary and perks. Where is it going to end?<BR/><BR/>When are we going to change the bylaws again?<BR/><BR/>Check out Kenneth Copland bylaws. Copland is the President, his wife is the Vice President and there are other family members who help run his 100 million dollar church. How many millions do he and his family earn? TONS!!!<BR/><BR/>Mac is not going to Wait before he continues to grab further control of the church. <BR/><BR/>The Mac supporters will just sit there and let it happen. Can't you just hear them.<BR/><BR/>IF GOD WANTS MAC TO MAKE MILLIONS, LET IT HAPPEN. HE IS GOD'S MAN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28906641575316836872009-01-08T16:41:00.000-05:002009-01-08T16:41:00.000-05:00Robert: You need to study the Bible seriously for ...Robert: You need to study the Bible seriously for yourself. And pray for wisdom. To study is a commandment from the Lord. "Study to show thyself approved of God". Do not allow yourself to follow a man. Like Dr Lindsay use to say, man will disappoint you everytime. When you know the truth it will set you free from these hangups like following a man...any man. Get it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7086486456514235462009-01-08T16:22:00.000-05:002009-01-08T16:22:00.000-05:00Whoever is angry with his brother without a cause ...Whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, "Raca!" shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, "You fool!" shall be in danger of hell fire (Matt 5:22).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91496210583696182842009-01-08T15:25:00.000-05:002009-01-08T15:25:00.000-05:00Robert.....I FOR ONE SAY YOU ARE CLUELESS,A STOOGE...Robert.....I FOR ONE SAY YOU ARE CLUELESS,A STOOGE FOR MAC,ARE A FOOL!!!!!!it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2797878617467521362009-01-08T14:52:00.000-05:002009-01-08T14:52:00.000-05:00Robert - you demonstrate a lack of discernnment yo...Robert - you demonstrate a lack of discernnment young man because you believe it best for a person to stay home and not come to church if they can't stay the last two minutes of a sermon...among other foolish things you've said here in your zeal to defend Mac Brunson at all costs. <BR/><BR/>But that's OK, I understand. Its very difficult to face the truth about an abusive, angry pastor. Our previous pastors taught us to respect the position of pastor, but they never met the likes of Mac Brunson. <BR/><BR/>More and more people are catching on to Mac and his antics, you're just a bit slow but you'll come around I'm sure.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-78768883079069907292009-01-08T14:49:00.000-05:002009-01-08T14:49:00.000-05:00I feel sorry for you Robert. You're letting Mac re...I feel sorry for you Robert. You're letting Mac really cloud your judgment.<BR/><BR/>Dr. Poop,<BR/><BR/>Are you insinuating that because I don't agree with you, I do not posess the ability to discern for myself? My ability to rationalize is clouded because I agree with a pastor and not some bitter, anonymous blogger who claims to be a genuine concerned church member but who is actually a wolf in sheeps clothing. Give me a break.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87130928787038230222009-01-08T14:20:00.000-05:002009-01-08T14:20:00.000-05:00Some men that strut consistently across the pulpit...Some men that strut consistently across the pulpit platform are entertainers or performers. Those that stand behind the pulpit are called genuine preachers. I've noticed a lot of self professing preachers today like to be admired and praised and if they arn't they get an attitude. They insist on always being thought of as "perfect" and dislike being viewed otherwise. That's why its very hard to deal with any of them, since they have such a high opinion of themselves. Spurgeon raised chickens on the side so he could give the eggs produced to the poor. OH, to have Spurgeon types back with us. The business world has these super ego types who take all they can and provide little incentive to their workforce. They get rich quick and then leave an empty shell and the employees have to find another job as the firm folds. The employees did their job but the big shot ran off with all the money and destroyed the business by his actions. Its a real shame that the church has fallen for these type men coming in and ruining a church. Its all about them don't you know. But, GOD knows the genuine servant pastor and missionary worker and HE keeps perfect records!!! There are genuine pastors and lay workers that serve God and their fellow man, they are just hard to find, as they are becoming rare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-74534532875814840592009-01-08T12:21:00.001-05:002009-01-08T12:21:00.001-05:00Dear "Thy Peace,"Thanks for the shout-ou...Dear "Thy Peace,"<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the shout-out to my husband and his book. I usually have to find not-so-subtle ways to spread the word, but you've done it for me :). Thanks!<BR/><BR/>He also has another one coming out next week: <BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/Godology-Because-Knowing-Changes-Everything/dp/0802482554/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231434897&sr=8-1<BR/><BR/>And yes, Scotland is beautiful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com