tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8269538014872277007..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: URGENT MESSAGE: Spread the Word of Brunsons' GreedFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-8321974432701168312008-10-17T10:15:00.000-04:002008-10-17T10:15:00.000-04:00I did not, nor have I ever, condoned or condemned ...I did not, nor have I ever, condoned or condemned things about Mac Brunson or FBC JAX---because simply put on this blog there is a 1 sided story. If this stuff is true, then it proves Mac is a man and susceptible to making mistakes---God will deal with him. Two wrongs do not make a right however and this blog is clearly a violation of scripture no matter who you put it. The use of the world Hell in a cursing context did bother me most, because I was trying to be objective and that blew it for me because to me that was hate on display---just all out bitter rage. As for me having a spine, I do thank you. Mistreatment of women? SBC doesn't endorse women to teach over mean and nor does the Bible, which is what we go by so you get a spine and stand by God's Word and quit interpting it in such a way that it fits your life and choices. Brunson is not my pastor, FBCJAX is not my church, but one thing I can agree with on this blog is that---there is a lot of confusion, caused by actions of both FBC Leaders and this blog, and the devil is author of confusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-33090320038031381292008-10-16T16:58:00.000-04:002008-10-16T16:58:00.000-04:00Chris you are either a stooge for Brunson or a dec...Chris you are either a stooge for Brunson or a deceived fool.What Watchdog has revealed concerning FBC Jax is indisputable and proof that Brunson is nothing but a greedy self-absorbed charlatan who is leading First Baptist into the great falling away.It is truly ashamed that this once great church in which I was baptisted is being reduce to a market place and a den for theives and fools like You attack the messenger.The Bible is littered with references of gullible scripturally ignorant people like you who are lead astray by the sleight of hand by deceitful covetous men(pastors).Dr.Watchdog continue to expose this imposter for who he is and one day may be we will get a chance to meet one another.it is writtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714871619485847739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-87114658031952573382008-10-16T12:31:00.000-04:002008-10-16T12:31:00.000-04:00Please tell Chris that "Hell" even when used in an...Please tell Chris that "Hell" even when used in an expression in not a bad word. I think Pastor Robert Jeffries wrote a book call "Hell NO!". Of all the things written on this blog....the use of the word Hell has him the most bothered? I think he is grasping....Mistreatment of women doesn't get him furious? I think he needs to get a spine .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1553355181250970122008-10-16T12:06:00.000-04:002008-10-16T12:06:00.000-04:00I quit mostly because of what happened at another ...I quit mostly because of what happened at another southern baptist church, not this one....oh and chris, you would have fit right in dude. Thats EXACTLY the attitude that drives people like me OUT. <BR/><BR/>I don't believe in being critical of a pastor for a long period of time, and if you are going to be, you need to LEAVE. I felt I was starting to go down that road when my email got banned by the mysterious "someone", so I left. I hope I've done the Biblical thing. I don't agree with watchdog about this blog. You have to pick your battles in life, and fighting against a church and a pastor is not mine. I was only in that church for a year though.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10506926841698204953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38677822389565472702008-10-16T02:28:00.000-04:002008-10-16T02:28:00.000-04:00Watchdog, I have a couple of questions for you. So...Watchdog, I have a couple of questions for you. Some of these I've asked before but got no reply. <BR/><BR/>Have you considered using action at a church business meeting? The meetings are run under Robert's Rules of Order Revised and there are provisions in there that would allow for people to debate motions. <BR/><BR/>Did you vote no on the loan for the school?<BR/><BR/>I don't agree with everything you say, but in general I'm supportive of you and your efforts. I'm concerned about the direction of the church.<BR/><BR/>Please don't take this the wrong way.<BR/><BR/>Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57870919802091574192008-10-16T01:40:00.000-04:002008-10-16T01:40:00.000-04:00Oh, how my heart hurts for the true believers at F...Oh, how my heart hurts for the true believers at FBC JAX. We've been through something similiar at Bellevue Baptist in Memphis.<BR/><BR/>You know, if something like this happened at Fed Ex (Memphis) or the Scott-McRae Group (Jacksonville) the police would have been called in a long time ago. Steve Gaines and Mac Brunson have stolen our churches. Last I checked, stealing was a criminal activity.<BR/><BR/>If these guys want their own church, I don't have any problem with them starting their own. <BR/><BR/>What Mr. Brunson and his son are doing with the Pastor's Conference is selling their own souls to the highest bidder. Where does that money go? Mercy!<BR/><BR/>Please know that there are many sheep in Memphis praying for y'all. The Shepherd is coming back soon, and He <B>will</B> take care of things!TN Lizziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09774706701590920470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18487612269227181242008-10-16T00:45:00.000-04:002008-10-16T00:45:00.000-04:00Well Watchdog, here we are several months from wh...Well Watchdog, here we are several months from when I first looked at this sight. I knew then that Mac was doing some bad things. That he was bent on a complete makeover of our church. Unfortuneately, it all came true. There were many on this blog who were filling in bits of information as they occured and the BIG PICTURE WAS GRADUALLY BECOMING CLEAR. We now know Mac Brunson for who he is and the picture is not too becoming. You have shown the rest of the world what can happen when church members do nothing when their pastor gets out of control. When he becomes too big for himself. When he no longer is afraid of the rath of ALMIGHT GOD. When he is willing to follow manmade corperate methods and forgets to spend time in the PROVERBS. When he forgets what a BAPTIST is and will not stand up for what BAPTIST have stood for. When money and the getting of it becomes all incompassing. When church control means more than church people. When he thinks that all tradition should be stamped out and his liberal mind set should become the new tradition. <BR/><BR/>Watchdog, the brainwashing will continue. All of these meetings with the deacons, with the teachers, with the workers, are designed to solidify control of the church. To, by group control, gain control. <BR/><BR/>IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT IS AHEAD OF US READ RICK WARREN'S THE PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH. It is all there. We are all there. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Thanks Watchdog for not quitting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-31929784240214573762008-10-16T00:42:00.000-04:002008-10-16T00:42:00.000-04:00It is sad to see what is taking place at a great c...It is sad to see what is taking place at a great church - one that has had such a powerful influence in our community.<BR/><BR/>I am just beginning to view the posts but have noticed that the old logo that was brought in when Mac Brunson came to FBC Jax is eerily similar to the one at First Baptist Dallas - "You Belong @ First"...hmmm<BR/><BR/>And the A Group is the marketing guru @ FBC Dallas.<BR/><BR/>That's minor compared to the much larger problems faced by the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35722003106321003722008-10-16T00:16:00.000-04:002008-10-16T00:16:00.000-04:00Believe me, I understand.Readers, when I sit there...Believe me, I understand.<BR/><BR/>Readers, when I sit there in the service and listen to grown men giggle and holler while Mac gives a weak history lesson and tells a few jokes and rants on the platform, I wonder if I'm in the same church I was 5 years ago. In a place where the Word was preached seriously, with great care and clarity, so that the saved were challenged and built up, the lost heard a clear gospel message, and even little ones heard about Jesus. The Holy Spirit fit the words to all people, instead of an angry speaker cramming them down our throats. All people used to be fed from the preachers no matter the age or spiritual condition...and now unless you've drunk the grape Kool Aid its like watching a slow motion train wreck. While men giggle and Amen over the weakest preaching we could possibly imagine.<BR/><BR/>Sorry to tell the truth. The truth is hard sometimes.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7813339954496781972008-10-16T00:10:00.000-04:002008-10-16T00:10:00.000-04:00WD,No I'm gone for the sake of my faith and my chi...WD,<BR/><BR/>No I'm gone for the sake of my faith and my children's. I can't walk through these halls any more with the feelings I have. It is not healthy for me or my wife and kids. <BR/><BR/>We have talked and prayed about it and it is time to go. I can't believe this sponorship stuff, just stunning!<BR/><BR/>It is just time. Thanks though, FBC will be in my heart always so many neat memories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22635374510672730292008-10-16T00:03:00.000-04:002008-10-16T00:03:00.000-04:00Anon - I'm so sorry to hear that you feel that you...Anon - I'm so sorry to hear that you feel that you have to leave. I'm afraid that this event will be a tipping point for many to throw in the towel. <BR/><BR/>I say hang in there. The church is not Mac Brunson. The church is so much more than he. We have wonderful music, I really think highly of Jim Whitmire. There are so many godly men and women there, and there is so much good being done.<BR/><BR/>you can stay without giving your money to Brunson. I know we've been taught for so many years that bring the tithe into the storehouse, but you're under no obligation to send it to corrupt leaders. You can give it to other organizations, or use it to help someone in Christ's name.<BR/><BR/>Stay at the church, don't leave.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-90416019011379010362008-10-15T23:49:00.000-04:002008-10-15T23:49:00.000-04:00I have been at this church for over twenty years. ...I have been at this church for over twenty years. I met my wife hear, I was married here, my kids were baptized here my children are being raised up in this church . . . and I quit!<BR/><BR/>I am a faithful tither and giving above and beyond as God lays on my heart. I am moving on to a place where I don't feel so used. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Brunson I never questioned you on the minor issues that WD has mentioned for years. But from the time your wife stood on stage and spoke of us needing to be the #1 supporter to the IMB to the final straw of this gross misuse(OF MY CHURCH THAT WE BUILT THROUGH CHRIST. . . NOT YOU!) of our church with this marketing scheme of sponsorships. WOW! That is dirty. God expects us to give, not to be #1 . . . otherwise I lose cause I can't out give the big spenders but my heart was in it fully!<BR/><BR/>I remember when we all got together and had the preachers stay at our homes and we would be excited for months preparing AS A GROUP to invite the spirit into our church to teach and mold us.<BR/><BR/>It feels as if you are selling blemished sacrifices in the temple to God's people. <BR/><BR/>So I have hit my limit and am leaving this church while the fond memories of the great moments God has allowed me and my family to experience are still fresh in my mind.<BR/><BR/>You can have this building but you can not have my faith nor my childrens. I will be reading about you sometime soon and watch these buildings and my home church crumble. But you won't take my children with you!! Good Bye FBC I Love You! Brunson, I'll see you in heaven and I pray you come to see your just one man by God's grace who has serious accounting you will do. <BR/><BR/>You can close the books in this church and have control of these buildings but your books of accountability will be opened one day as to how you handled the talents God gave you. I am saddened but excited for where God is leading my family!<BR/><BR/>Good Bye FBC and God's Grace on you and Mac and family. I wish you all well.<BR/><BR/>I would sign my name but I am leaving family behind who are well known and do not wish to call them out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-46168209608815780382008-10-15T23:42:00.000-04:002008-10-15T23:42:00.000-04:00The current administration of fbcjax and SBC do NO...The current administration of fbcjax and SBC do <B>NOT</B> get it. They have sadly underestimated the power of the internet and blogging.<BR/><BR/>Case in point. Please visit any of fbcjax blogs. See if there is a <B>single comment</B> on any of their blogs (I might have missed one, but I looked hard). Why do they need you to provide your full name, email address, before your comments can be processed (shown on their blog).<BR/><BR/>Please, wake up! The internet era is different. Even the "young" people in fbcjax administration and SBC do <B>NOT</B> get it.<BR/><BR/>Your audience is not <B>local</B> anymore. The whole world is your audience.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-89279587243965163332008-10-15T23:21:00.000-04:002008-10-15T23:21:00.000-04:00Thank you Watchdog, for your ministry to bloggers....Thank you Watchdog, for your ministry to bloggers. <BR/><BR/>I once was a blogger myself, but realized there was a better way to have my questions and concerns dealt with. So I humbly emailed the pastor a few questions. I did not want the focus to be on me, but rather on the questions, so I did not sign my name. Instead of anwsering my questions with humbleness and a pastor's heart, he ignored me and then lashed out from the pulpit at me. Later, he had my former pastor come in and spit figuratively at anonymous emailers such as me. I just had a few questions.<BR/><BR/>I wonder now if he regrets his decision to ignore, and then attack, some faithful members who just had a few questions. <BR/><BR/>Of course, the questions I had were nothing compared to what is now the focus of this blog and that is reaching the nation via this blog.<BR/><BR/>Too bad he still hasn't learned from his mistake and still refuses to show humility and to answer people's concerns.<BR/><BR/>Only two things will ever convince me he has seen the light: (1) giving back the $300K gift he took and (2) inviting anonymous comments and questions. Only then will we know he has humbled himself and learned from his mistakes.<BR/><BR/>I hope he is enjoying the blog and the national attention he gets from it. After all, he brought it on himself with his pride and arrogance and lack of wisdom.<BR/><BR/>Praise God for the Watchdog! Shining light where there is sinister darkness from a wolf in sheep's clothing. Satan does indeed have his men in pulpits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-6151098577205640892008-10-15T23:16:00.000-04:002008-10-15T23:16:00.000-04:00Chris - let's get a few things straight in answeri...Chris - let's get a few things straight in answering your mostly ridiculous comments:<BR/><BR/>- who holds me accountable? Certainly not you or anyone else here, because I'm not your pastor or employee or employer or anything else. Your question implies that I shouldn't hold the pastor accountable? He's pastor of a large church who is accountable to his congregation...he said himself that he has "20,000 employees" and he takes pride in answering every single email. You want to pay me $400,000 in salary, then you can hold me accountable big Chris.<BR/><BR/>- I used the word hell for effect in my comment. If that offends you, then stay the heck away from my blog. We're discussing some serious issues here that have hundreds of people at our church terribly upset as we see our beloved church taken over and used for marketing and advertising like its the Brunson's own personal corporation - and it has us long time members terribly upset. So yes, I'm mad as hell. Hell. I'm mad as HELL. Got it?<BR/><BR/>- I've shut the blog down several times. Yes, I thought I would stop blogging. But I didn't know what we were dealing with in Brunson so I blog on. Big deal, its none of your business. This is my blog and I'll keep it up as long as I want to keep it up. Deal with it big Chris.<BR/><BR/>- sure, accuse those who shine the light on the abuses of a pastor and expect to be called a hater. Your post earlier today was filled with religous bigotry and hatred itself so don't preach to me about hate.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-71042570055842007612008-10-15T23:05:00.000-04:002008-10-15T23:05:00.000-04:00I have stated several times that I do not even go ...I have stated several times that I do not even go to FBC Jax--have never been there, but would love to come to the Pastor's Conference. WatchDog who is holding YOU accountable? Who is holding you accountable for deliberatly posting an irate comment using vulgar language as a so called redeemed child of God? You said and I quote, " Who the Hell cares was Mac Detest?" That is wrong and it is out of line. You stated that you would shut this blog down several months ago--you haven't. You said you only wanted to spread the word and give people a chance to act and then stop---you haven't. You said this wouldn't turn into personal attacks---it has. Go ahead LIE DOG and continue with your hate--see how many sinners your little blog draws in to the Grace and FORGIVNESS of God. Not much I would say. And if you by some weird chance to get to go on GMA remember that you are only helping the media bias in this country to make churches look bad and christianity comprimised. So yes watchdog you have highlighted Mac Brunsons flaws. You have highlighted your churches flaws. You should be so proud. Take heed lest ye fall being in the same condemnation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24060022672491293902008-10-15T22:53:00.000-04:002008-10-15T22:53:00.000-04:00The pastor is incensed? Well he should be in our s...The pastor is incensed? Well he should be in our shoes. To have the Godly church we loved turned into an advertising agency, where a marketing firm suggests the course of the church, instead of God leading. And then be asked to pay for it. It looks like this church is heading for a church split. But maybe not if they can continue to get the spiritual people to leave. It appears the Motto is take it or leave it.<BR/><BR/>So far I believe we are still entitled as Americans, to voice an opinion, and are doing so in this blog. We are only talking about actions they are taking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54773636527657767562008-10-15T22:31:00.000-04:002008-10-15T22:31:00.000-04:00Thank you bloggers for a stellar day. The blog has...Thank you bloggers for a stellar day. The blog has had thousands of hits today, the word is out around the country of the brazeness of the Brunson marketing ploy, and people in our city and our convention are wising up.<BR/><BR/>Let's see what happens when light is shone in dark places!!!FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-42408128976363958312008-10-15T22:28:00.000-04:002008-10-15T22:28:00.000-04:00FBC JAX used to be a Prophet Making Center, but no...FBC JAX used to be a Prophet Making Center, but now it appears that it is just a profit making center!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24496671069416540562008-10-15T22:22:00.000-04:002008-10-15T22:22:00.000-04:00I have resisted writing this piece of "advice" to ...I have resisted writing this piece of "advice" to Pastor Mac Brunson, so long.<BR/><BR/>Sir,<BR/><BR/>please return to your roots. Go back to your first love of Our Lord Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>About 10 days ago, your prayer partner and buddy David Allen preached us a sermon on Ecclesiastes 1. <B>“ Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.”</B><BR/><BR/>Sir, all the toil and "work" you are doing is <B>vanity</B>.<BR/><BR/>Please, become humble, show your servant nature. Become fully transparent. Open the books of fbcjax for everyone. Listen to ALL complaints.<BR/><BR/>Show your love to all the members and non-members, now that fbcjax is being broadcast through the internet. The whole world is watching you and your church.<BR/><BR/>I know the flesh in you wants to get even with Watchdog. Please don't. The more angry you get at Watchdog, he gets more readers. It's true. I am one of them.<BR/><BR/>As Moses lifted up the serpent on a stick, and every one was saved looking at the piece of wood ... so must you put ALL your focus on Our Lord Jesus Christ <B>crucified</B> and raised up on the <B>Cross</B>. Then all your troubles will fade away. This is the promise from Our Lord Jesus Christ.<BR/><BR/>May Our Lord Jesus Christ shower you with His Peace, that passes understanding.Rameshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09728392311602332613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5061673732354005662008-10-15T22:05:00.000-04:002008-10-15T22:05:00.000-04:00Its a good thing that the Brunson's are reading th...Its a good thing that the Brunson's are reading this blog. In the old Hobson building downstairs where the overflow crowd could watch the telecast when the Hobson was full there was a "suggestion box". Anyone could fill out the slip of paper and drop it in the box. My suggestion is to bring that box back. It may contain some way we can get the present ruling body replaced...they are part and parcal to blame as they look the other way when they need to confront issues that have made people leave regardless. If the box came back and some of those issues were placed on the I-Mags maybe, and just maybe there could be a ground swell to FIX the problem. Just a thought!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14095360490559522242008-10-15T21:23:00.000-04:002008-10-15T21:23:00.000-04:00Judson Whorton,Guinell Freeman, Bob Harrison and s...Judson Whorton,Guinell Freeman, Bob Harrison and some others we once believed in you. Why are you so blind; you once were respected for the unbelievable service to God. Guinell, I will always admire your dedication to the visitation program. How can you support someone against God's calling? The Lindsay and Vines loved you,but the Brunsons are using you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79268506632286181312008-10-15T21:04:00.000-04:002008-10-15T21:04:00.000-04:00Soon I am going to name some of the stalwart of th...Soon I am going to name some of the stalwart of the past at FBC, some are still active and now participating in the "new age" marketing and selling of Jesus.<BR/><BR/>The mention of Lindsay Jr. and how he preached is a general comparison as his father Sr. preached; Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. How many of you ever heard about the book Sr. authored, "Now Hear Me:" It was a simple, short version of the Gospel and how to live under the protection of God's Almighty grace. Sr. Lindsay would under expected circumstance when he viewed some sleeping or not all too observant during his sermon, he would slam his hand on the pulpit an shout,"Now Hear Me"; and the crowd applauded.<BR/><BR/>Blessings from experiences of both the Lindsay pastors and the example they lead.<BR/><BR/>Sham on you Mac Brunson!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2457347327691108472008-10-15T20:58:00.000-04:002008-10-15T20:58:00.000-04:00I have it on very good authority that the blog has...I have it on very good authority that the blog has Mac incensed. <BR/><BR/>He is worried that it will begin to sway people to go against his leadership.<BR/><BR/>That is good. He should be worried.<BR/><BR/>He and his office suite read the blog. Multiple times per day.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-430390861006836252008-10-15T20:56:00.000-04:002008-10-15T20:56:00.000-04:00It does seem hopeless.I encourge people who might,...It does seem hopeless.<BR/><BR/>I encourge people who might, MIGHT be inclined to open their eyes and see the Brunsons for what they are...to go back and read my posts starting last August. <BR/><BR/>What we see TODAY is not surprising. It makes perfect sense if you look at what I was shining the light on all the way back in August of 2007. <BR/><BR/>Every person has a different breaking point when it comes to pastoral abuse.<BR/><BR/>For some, when the man pulled out the NASB to preach, they left.<BR/><BR/>For some it was the ridiculous usher aprons.<BR/><BR/>For some it was his abusive and yelling style of preaching that scared the kiddos.<BR/><BR/>For some it was his history lessons Summer of 2006 instead of preaching.<BR/><BR/>For some it was when they found out he took a $300k gift.<BR/><BR/>For some it was his lies and stretching the truth.<BR/><BR/>For some it was when he lied about Sheri Klouda and to this day still has not apologized for lying to us about her.<BR/><BR/>And now for some it may be that he is allowing his very unwise son to sell advertising space at our church.<BR/><BR/>I used to have the assumption on this blog that Mac would stop and I could stop blogging. But he won't stop. This is going to get worse my friends. <BR/><BR/>And the watchdog will be there every step of the way.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.com