tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8552568216867585309..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Young and Two Board Members Answer CriticsFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36419762541368845672010-02-23T18:07:33.349-05:002010-02-23T18:07:33.349-05:00How interesting that after Young spoke to his cong...How interesting that after Young spoke to his congregation there are still people trying to insinuate, instigate, and investigate. We are not God and can never assume that we know that heart of a person or if they are or not telling the truth. We my try to insinuate that someone is being untruthful but how can we truly know? I have learned to believe everyone until they prove me wrong. Short of showing his tax papers some will never be satisfied. There are also those who love to instigate problems in the body of Christ. Usually those how instigate problems are the very ones who have undisclosed issues. I have really asked the Lord to search my heart before I post anything about anyone. The last are those who try to play detective and investigate the lives of others. The bible calls these individuals gossips and should be careful about what they spread. It is quite possible that these individuals how have done thier "homework" can be wrong.<br /><br />It is no wonder that the world sees the infighting and callous character destroying that they do not want anything to do with the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1615448974210202212010-02-14T17:53:31.170-05:002010-02-14T17:53:31.170-05:00[Speaking of MacArthur, I just spied this on the n...[Speaking of MacArthur, I just spied this on the net. Marybelle]<br /><br />Who knows, maybe John (Reformedispy) MacArthur is right and the greatest Greek scholars (Google "Famous Rapture Watchers"), who uniformly said that Rev. 3:10 means PRESERVATION THROUGH, were wrong. But John has a conflict. On the one hand, since he knows that all Christian theology and organized churches before 1830 believed the church would be on earth during the tribulation, he would like to be seen as one who stands with the great Reformers. On the other hand, if John has a warehouse of unsold pretrib rapture material, and if he wants to have "security" for his retirement years and hopes that the big California quake won't louse up his plans, he has a decided conflict of interest. Maybe the Lord will have to help strip off the layers of his seared conscience which have grown for years in order to please his parents and his supporters - who knows? One thing is for sure: pretrib is truly a house of cards and is so fragile that if a person removes just one card from the TOP of the pile, the whole thing can collapse. Which is why pretrib teachers don't dare to even suggest they could be wrong on even one little subpoint! Don't you feel sorry for the straitjacket they are in? While you're mulling all this over, Google "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" for a rare behind-the-scenes look at the same 180-year-old fantasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-22690122982675637582010-02-11T20:50:56.101-05:002010-02-11T20:50:56.101-05:00"The problem I am having is why are you, FBC ...<i>"The problem I am having is why are you, FBC Jax Watchdog,so concerned about Young and Gaines."</i><br /><br />Why are you, an SBC pastor, so concerned about the Watchdog?<br /><br />;-)New BBC Open Forumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18300115421477555376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34310375189826763072010-02-11T18:03:49.297-05:002010-02-11T18:03:49.297-05:00FBC Jax Watchdog, I am an SBC Pastor, Ido ont know...FBC Jax Watchdog, I am an SBC Pastor, Ido ont know ED Young, Steve Gaines, or Mac Brunson personally. The problem I am having is why are you, FBC Jax Watchdog,so concerned about Young and Gaines.<br /><br />February 11, 2010 11:27 AM<br /><br />Sounds like something an SBC "pastor" would ask.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61492749455353978392010-02-11T17:13:36.879-05:002010-02-11T17:13:36.879-05:00FBC Jax Watchdog, I am an SBC Pastor, Ido ont know...FBC Jax Watchdog, I am an SBC Pastor, Ido ont know ED Young, Steve Gaines, or Mac Brunson personally. The problem I am having is why are you, FBC Jax Watchdog,so concerned about Young and Gaines.<br /><br />February 11, 2010 11:27 AM<br />___________________________________<br /><br />Who are you? And why are you so concerned with who the WD is concerned with?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-60941865380588605702010-02-11T17:12:49.417-05:002010-02-11T17:12:49.417-05:00In my opinion, he's well worth what he's p...In my opinion, he's well worth what he's paid.<br /><br />And so are many other pastors.<br />___________________________________<br /><br />So what? I won't be sacrificing my family's needs to fund these guys lifestyle. I'll let you pay it since you believe that. I would rather give "God's money" to help the poor, orphan and widow. Not to the "deserving millionaire pastor."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-61526990719478315282010-02-11T11:27:12.942-05:002010-02-11T11:27:12.942-05:00FBC Jax Watchdog, I am an SBC Pastor, Ido ont know...FBC Jax Watchdog, I am an SBC Pastor, Ido ont know ED Young, Steve Gaines, or Mac Brunson personally. The problem I am having is why are you, FBC Jax Watchdog,so concerned about Young and Gaines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35527118404151752692010-02-10T13:17:36.615-05:002010-02-10T13:17:36.615-05:00All you that are leaving comments on here an even ...All you that are leaving comments on here an even the person that was on the news report..why are you scared to give your names, why does everything have to be "Anonymous"..You have not problem calling someone out when you are hidden and "confront' them, but you deny them the opportunity to "confront" you by id'ing yourself. Even the person that is "FBC Jax Watchdog" you can't even id yourself...this is a a very cowardice act in my opinion.<br /><br />February 10, 2010 12:44 PM<br /><br /> Unless you have been living in a cave, everyone knows who the watchdog is because he was outed. Without the media outing, it would have been worse for him, I think. Now, he has some protection from the Baptist Mafia.<br /><br />You simply have no clue how they operate, do you? Churches are pretty much exempt from most laws and it is almost impossible to sue them unless you have deep pockets or someone is willing to take your case. Mega churches ruin people all the time, you just don't hear about. They cannot afford dissent or any public questioning. Because their entire existence is about IMAGE. <br /><br />To give you a recent example, a friend of mine on a mega church commmittee found that some documents were doctored to give a false impressoin to the pew sitters. She brought this up in committee and was stunned to find that the committee voted to keep that quiet and present the report as it. (It was cause too much damage to admit truth)<br /><br />She was appalled and resigned. Well, a back door campaign was instituted against her with gossip that she resigned because she could not get along with the committee members and only wanted her own way. They, conveniently left out about the doctored reports. <br /><br />Now, she is shunned by many at her church and they believe a lie. Everyone always believes the majority and esp in a mega church where they are taught to blindly follow. <br /><br />Her boss is a membe of the mega and he was told the same thing and it has affected her position at work. He views her differently than he used to. She tried to tell him the truth but since the pastor and others have told him different, he believes the 'man of God'. <br /><br />Wouldn't she have been smarter to keep her mouth shut and go along?<br /><br />I say, bring on anonymous and let us check the facts. Let the churches be transparent about their practices and money. Why shouldn't they be. An anonymous accusation is a leadership moment to open the books. <br /><br />BTW: How do I know who Robert is? There a few zillion of them around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76011477122426519562010-02-10T12:44:19.228-05:002010-02-10T12:44:19.228-05:00All you that are leaving comments on here an even ...All you that are leaving comments on here an even the person that was on the news report..why are you scared to give your names, why does everything have to be "Anonymous"..You have not problem calling someone out when you are hidden and "confront' them, but you deny them the opportunity to "confront" you by id'ing yourself. Even the person that is "FBC Jax Watchdog" you can't even id yourself...this is a a very cowardice act in my opinion.Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-86654909912173243302010-02-10T08:20:19.620-05:002010-02-10T08:20:19.620-05:00Oh Yes, Senior Student ministers at large churches...Oh Yes, Senior Student ministers at large churches should be making 100,000. After all, when they are 40 and working with the adults, they should be making a million per year. That is how it goes, right?<br /><br />It is very important that those making less than 30,000 grand a year at the church support those making 100,000. That makes perfect sense. <br /><br />McArthur makes too much, too. And running a para church organization on the side is low down. Most of them do it. It is ego and money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57913250660060088472010-02-09T22:05:45.234-05:002010-02-09T22:05:45.234-05:00anon 7:21:
You're paying Tom a great complime...anon 7:21:<br /><br />You're paying Tom a great compliment if you're comparing him to the man the "Watchdog" character in that movie was based on. Google "Marvin Zindler."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37557541239773319632010-02-09T21:39:25.071-05:002010-02-09T21:39:25.071-05:00"According to this web site, Dr. MacArthur ma..."According to this web site, Dr. MacArthur makes more than $100,000:"<br /><br />http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=5877<br /><br /><br /><br />Thanks for your point of veiw,and it is well taken!!!<br /><br />But what does amaze me is that Johnny Mac is making less than half of what Brunson makes,and five times less than Ed Young makes,and neither one is half as relevent as MacAuthur!Bro./Pastor Rod H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-323856185618703042010-02-09T21:36:59.259-05:002010-02-09T21:36:59.259-05:00Dr. MacArthur's salary with "Grace to You...Dr. MacArthur's salary with "Grace to You" is $160,000. His salary at Grace Community is an additional $180,000. I understand that his housing allowance is $45,000-$55,000, medical is $9,000 and retirement is $18,000. Add that up and you are at $415,000+. <br /> So if you would like to backtrack off of the simplistic, inmature "No Pastor should make more than $100,000 a year" It only speaks to your lack of reality.<br /> Most Senior Student Ministers at large churches make $100,000...but they also have masters degrees, experience and oversee multi staff members and parent ministries, camps, trips, discipleship. If my daughters and my son were under a 100,000 salary of a youth pastor and he was doing a great job - I'd have no qualms at all.<br /> <br />JonJon Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03534018464482294481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81891096621717936422010-02-09T21:08:08.470-05:002010-02-09T21:08:08.470-05:00Einsteins life or beliefs do not negate the validi...Einsteins life or beliefs do not negate the validity of the truth he spoke.<br /><br />February 8, 2010 9:58 PM<br />___________________________________<br /><br />"The Fool hath said in his heart, there is no God." GODAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-17664029812428604022010-02-09T20:46:34.889-05:002010-02-09T20:46:34.889-05:00Bro./Pastor Rod H.,
I have listened to John MacAr...Bro./Pastor Rod H.,<br /><br />I have listened to John MacArthur and read his books, and I am NOT comparing his teaching or style to Young. I was simply responding to the people who said NO senior pastor should make $100,000 or more per year.<br /><br />John MacArthur is a name that has been espoused before by some of the commentators on this blog, so I was simply throwing his name out there in terms of salary and a pastor's pay.<br /><br />Dr. MacArthur pastors a large church and ministry, so I'm sure he makes a significant but appropriate salary. But for someone to say no pastor should make $100,000 or more is simply ignorance and does not take into account the realities of compensation, region of the country, and the other factors that are involved. $100,000 in New York is different than $100,000 in other parts of the country.<br /><br />And too, everyone should keep in mind that not everyone can pastor and oversee a large flock like someone like Dr. MacArthur. So my opinion? He's worth what he is paid.<br /><br />According to this web site, Dr. MacArthur makes more than $100,000:<br /><br />http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=5877<br /><br />In my opinion, he's well worth what he's paid.<br /><br />And so are many other pastors.<br /><br />And there are a lot of church folk and church people who abuse their pastors and underpay them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54931033459587301752010-02-09T19:21:29.147-05:002010-02-09T19:21:29.147-05:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5CXQGCxphU
Watchd...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5CXQGCxphU<br /><br />Watchdog ReportAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-62581131263517290272010-02-09T16:14:01.238-05:002010-02-09T16:14:01.238-05:00"Last Sunday morning on TV a Jacksonville SBC..."Last Sunday morning on TV a Jacksonville SBC preacher in his sermon said the problem in todays modern day churches is that churches are filled with "Pharisees" who are sitting in the pews who are only there to stir up trouble. They are the people who grumble and critize and get easily offended when they don't agree with the operation of the leadership."<br /><br /><br />I saw that Dr.Who and I was disgusted.I really respected Canor or however his name is spelled!<br /><br />But that was nothing less than a cloak and hide the dagger statment to keep the sheep in the dark,and make sure that any dissent(Dr.Dog) against the rich celebrity pastor is squashed!!!Bro./Pastor Rod H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34333097089263072742010-02-09T15:50:58.960-05:002010-02-09T15:50:58.960-05:00Dr. Who Said:
"They make me want to upchuck! ...Dr. Who Said:<br />"They make me want to upchuck! Bunch of Pharisees" . . . <br />=========================<br />Last Sunday morning on TV a Jacksonville SBC preacher in his sermon said the problem in todays modern day churches is that churches are filled with "Pharisees" who are sitting in the pews who are only there to stir up trouble. They are the people who grumble and critize and get easily offended when they don't agree with the operation of the leadership. <br /><br />Why do you never hear these preachers speak up about the many "Pharisees" who call theirselves Pastors who stand in the pulpit when they or their peers in the ministry do wrong. Always silence when it comes to one of them.<br /><br />These preachers must take a strong brotherhood oath to never preach about the "Pharisees" amongst their own. Instead when trouble comes they lay the blame on the feet of the congregation who sit in the pews. <br /><br />I appreciate the pastors who share on this blog and denounce what they feel is so very wrong with the lifestyles and activity of these modern day mega preachers. <br />Thanks for your encouragment!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-59303520594786467242010-02-09T15:43:33.011-05:002010-02-09T15:43:33.011-05:00Hooray for Brett Shipp at Channel 8 for uncovering...Hooray for Brett Shipp at Channel 8 for uncovering this profiteer of the gospel. I attended Fellowship Church for several years and left because of the constant hounding for money and the constant pushing of Ed Young's merchandise. Fellowship Church is a relentless money making machine. Being accountable to your fishing buddies and ol'-pals of 30+ years is no accountability at all. <br />What's most amazing is that members of his church are in essence saying "I don't care what he does as long as I get what I want". Unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69327048111134915562010-02-09T15:07:45.583-05:002010-02-09T15:07:45.583-05:00If you listen to John MacArthur for a while, one o...If you listen to John MacArthur for a while, one of the frequent comments you will hear him make about the church today is that it is sorely lacking in discernment. These articles that WD has been posting lately, absolutely confirm that observation of MacArthur. We have definitely entered the era when people will not endure sound doctrine and are easily led astray by false teachers.Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-27290953673906970272010-02-09T14:11:24.999-05:002010-02-09T14:11:24.999-05:00It's all a joke to these guys. Young probably ...It's all a joke to these guys. Young probably laughed all the way to the bank after those blind who stood and gave him a standing ovation and he counted the "offering".<br /><br />The S B C Great Fishin Commission will probably come out in their report to say;<br /><br />The New Southern Baptist Motto from this day forward should be or is: <br /><br />Southern Baptist Convention Pastors, " We're flying high for you so you can see Jesus!"<br /><br />They make me want to upchuck! Bunch of PhariseesDr Whonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-29855171161046066302010-02-09T14:10:27.711-05:002010-02-09T14:10:27.711-05:00" Anonymous said...
It's funny how you s..." Anonymous said... <br />It's funny how you say no pastor should make more than $100,000. How much do you think John MacArthur makes?"<br /><br />February 9, 2010 1:42 PM<br /><br /><br />Anon have you ever listen to john for any lenght of time? <br />Or have read many of his countless books?<br /><br />How in the world can you even compare the ramblings of Ed Young to the preaching John MacAuthur?<br /><br />I'll will assure you of this,he's not rolling a bed out on stage and espousing some of the ridiculous garbage coming out the mouth of Ed Young!!!Bro./Pastor Rod H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-13478323810694069862010-02-09T13:42:34.275-05:002010-02-09T13:42:34.275-05:00It's funny how you say no pastor should make m...It's funny how you say no pastor should make more than $100,000. How much do you think John MacArthur makes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-54789043803456467562010-02-09T13:24:49.390-05:002010-02-09T13:24:49.390-05:00"Matt
PS: The Health and Wealth doctrine is ..."Matt<br /><br />PS: The Health and Wealth doctrine is about more than just money. It can include celebrity. More folks are attracted to recognition than money. For some, it is both."<br /><br />February 9, 2010 12:42 PM<br /><br /><br />Matt I agree with you that this love of celebrity,and I personally think coupled with an abysmal ignorance of Scripture,is one of the most dangerous epics that Christendom has ever faced.<br /><br />I really believe that the prosperity gospel along with the many other pseudo christian heretics and heresies,are rapidly leading us to the apostasy!!!<br /><br />This love of celebrity,along with this massive dumbing down of Biblical truth,will set I believe in the ultimate celebrities,the Anti-christ and the False Prophet!!!Bro./Pastor Rod H.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73661797757317153482010-02-09T12:42:04.085-05:002010-02-09T12:42:04.085-05:00Where is the outrage over this wolf??? Look at how...Where is the outrage over this wolf??? Look at how the Bakkers lived back in the '80's. We all remember how that turned out when it was finally made public. My how far we've come (or fallen even further, if that is possible) where lifestyles like this, on the backs of Believers, is not only considered acceptable, but is defended.<br /><br />February 9, 2010 12:22 PM<br /><br />But folks are not outraged anymore. They are proud of their successful leaders. <br /><br />That is how far the health and wealth Gospel has seeped into the church. Now, folks think that God is actually blessing these people. And they think it is no one's business. In fact, to even question this sort of thing is cosidered sin and/or gossip.<br /><br />Is it not our business when wolves misrepresent the Word in both word and deed?<br /><br />I am afraid that pastors like Jon think we must fly to Dallas, try to see Young (they are usually pretty isolated from the masses and are always 'very busy') and confront him before we ever say a word about his behavior and sermons that are quite public.<br /><br />It defies logic to me.<br /><br />Matt<br /><br />PS: The Health and Wealth doctrine is about more than just money. It can include celebrity. More folks are attracted to recognition than money. For some, it is both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com