tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8667279691669997863..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: "Whistle Blower" at Church Breaks Another Jacksonville Church Sex Abuse Scandal....FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85030890548456167282011-08-02T22:37:43.796-04:002011-08-02T22:37:43.796-04:00Is David Hyles, son of former FBC Hammond pastor, ...Is David Hyles, son of former FBC Hammond pastor, Jack Hyles, a member at FBC Jax? I understand his membership was accepted by FBC Jax without question despite his notorious history. Some IFB people are quite concerned that he has a church home at all. I realize my concerns may not be printed, but I am concerned because he is a baptist predator and his notoriety is in the public record.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-36051087621083323262011-01-18T09:37:41.239-05:002011-01-18T09:37:41.239-05:00Wow! Sad to say there's nothing much differen...Wow! Sad to say there's nothing much different going on in this blog since I last commented about a year or so ago.<br /><br />Ergun Caner lied -- you can call it embellishing his record if you want to, but he lied!<br /><br />Mac Brunson is totally responsible for turning his goons loose to do the dirty deeds, quietly, behind closed doors -- but as the pastor he should have resigned in disgrace because they were his goons. The only reason he's still there at FBCJ is because he has a house he wouldn't be able to get enough for in the current economy -- and he thinks he holds some status in this town.<br /><br />As to the Matthew 18 method of taking care of a wrong -- yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure it's the biblical way to handle things but when you're dealing with criminals who are pretending to be God's men, you would of course tell it behind closed doors and probably run for your life.<br /><br />Would you really say Brunson's & Caner's sins would be considered a "different case altogether" than those who sexually molested & raped children? In the eyes of man's law, certainly yes. In the Eyes of God, it's ALL sin! Does anyone really believe that God weighs out the severity of sin?<br /><br />God's Word calls sin just what it is: SIN, and there are no degrees of sin which call for lesser punishment.<br /><br />However, when you're in the pulpit, you have a higher degree of responsibility b/c of your position in the community. God's Message in the community is seriously harmed when Brunson, Caner, & anyone else who is a preacher of God's Word sins b/c anything they do is public, and they should resign! If I was one of them I would be afraid to be in the pulpit for fear that God would use me as an example of his intolerance for besmirching His Gospel!<br /><br />The truly sad part of it all is that would dig in their heels & they would have to be TOLD to resign instead of immediately resigning of their own accord!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-47769602754743569032011-01-15T00:09:44.407-05:002011-01-15T00:09:44.407-05:00Do you want to read that again, very slowly.
You ...Do you want to read that again, very slowly.<br /><br />You can argue about whether God can build a rock too big for him to move all day. <br /><br />The bottom line is that the law is in place to give the accused a level playing field when judged. There are cases where the plaintiff makes false accusations with intent to harm. If the accusers always told the truth there would be no need for trials or judgement. <br /><br />Read your scriptures in any translation.<br /><br />January 14, 2011 9:55 PM<br /><br />What on earth are you responding to?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84228780441234948372011-01-14T21:55:38.459-05:002011-01-14T21:55:38.459-05:00Do you want to read that again, very slowly.
You ...Do you want to read that again, very slowly.<br /><br />You can argue about whether God can build a rock too big for him to move all day. <br /><br />The bottom line is that the law is in place to give the accused a level playing field when judged. There are cases where the plaintiff makes false accusations with intent to harm. If the accusers always told the truth there would be no need for trials or judgement. <br /><br />Read your scriptures in any translation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52529511381452993172011-01-14T14:10:47.129-05:002011-01-14T14:10:47.129-05:00You are mistaken in your comment. Who said EY has ...You are mistaken in your comment. Who said EY has saved anyone? Not me. I don't think you lied but you are mistaken.<br /><br />January 14, 2011 12:14 PM<br /><br />Here is what you said which is the exact same thing as giving ED credit:<br /><br />"He is more of a discipler than an evangelist (though people are being saved through the ministry he is over)."<br /><br />Very man centered. I do wonder what Ed is saving them "to" or "from" since the full Gospel is ignored, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24101012874025814712011-01-14T14:05:39.530-05:002011-01-14T14:05:39.530-05:00"Fact: I do not remember inquiring for me or ..."Fact: I do not remember inquiring for me or anyone. When shown I was n more than willing to share with you where I was at on the subject. If Peeples contacted me further, I have no record or memory of it.:<br /><br />That is not a FACT but the typical 'no recollection' response. What you have said is parsing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34371695107437297422011-01-14T14:03:34.708-05:002011-01-14T14:03:34.708-05:00"I defended Gaines from what? I continue to b..."I defended Gaines from what? I continue to believe in the verse which speaks of touch not my anointed and believe it has more than OT relevance.'<br /><br />Exactly how do you map King Saul to Gaines? Keeping in mind that God was angry they asked for a king in the first place because HE was their king. But they wanted to be like the pagans with a king.<br /><br />Please map the "special anointing" of touch not thine anointed of the OT to Gaines. Remember, this is "special" anointing you are talking about...not the common variety of 1 John for ALL true believers. You are claiming something special. <br /><br />Jon, all of this is about you needing to be important and finding scriptural defense for your own ego. That is all it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1165762227251200772011-01-14T12:14:08.710-05:002011-01-14T12:14:08.710-05:00"So, we have Jon twisting what he said a few ..."So, we have Jon twisting what he said a few years back about Gaines when he was defending him with 'touch not think anointed'. (Now, he claims he was really referring to 1 John but back then he was quoting from the OT and making parallels between Gaines and King Saul.)"<br /><br />I defended Gaines from what? I continue to believe in the verse which speaks of touch not my anointed and believe it has more than OT relevance.<br /><br />"Jon denies he ever inquired about a headmaster job at FBCJax but we find out he did but he claims it was for "friends". <br /><br />Fact: I do not remember inquiring for me or anyone. When shown I was n more than willing to share with you where I was at on the subject. If Peeples contacted me further, I have no record or memory of it.<br /><br />"And now we have him defending Ed Young and even claiming that many are saved by Young."<br /><br />You are mistaken in your comment. Who said EY has saved anyone? Not me. I don't think you lied but you are mistaken.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-12261645067868312162011-01-14T11:53:11.964-05:002011-01-14T11:53:11.964-05:00"Actually I did not drop it I responded."..."Actually I did not drop it I responded."<br /><br />In that case, you made my point even stronger. <br /><br />"Like the personal attacks on fellow Christians?"<br /><br />Addressing sin is not a personal attack. It is commanded in scripture. And no one here is getting rich or famous by lying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-57638861583388752652011-01-14T11:43:58.577-05:002011-01-14T11:43:58.577-05:00So, we have Jon twisting what he said a few years ...So, we have Jon twisting what he said a few years back about Gaines when he was defending him with 'touch not think anointed'. (Now, he claims he was really referring to 1 John but back then he was quoting from the OT and making parallels between Gaines and King Saul.)<br /><br />Jon denies he ever inquired about a headmaster job at FBCJax but we find out he did but he claims it was for "friends". <br /><br />And now we have him defending Ed Young and even claiming that many are saved by Young.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14650308209378867812011-01-14T11:39:52.283-05:002011-01-14T11:39:52.283-05:00"Of course, you dropped it after someone dug ..."Of course, you dropped it after someone dug up the old post. I guess dishonesty only bothers you when it affects you directly in a negative way. "<br /><br />Actually I did not drop it I responded.<br /><br />"If dishonesty is used to make one rich and famous and just happens to sully the name of Christ, who cares?"<br /><br />Like the personal attacks on fellow Christians? The dog does good, most of the time, using his words to discuss a subject, many here (myself included) move quickly away from subject and attack people.<br /><br />I am really hoping to not do that any longer. With God's help, I'll stick to the issues I see as worth commenting on and not make it personal.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53364824739105682272011-01-14T11:28:22.417-05:002011-01-14T11:28:22.417-05:00I wonder what the people at Jackson Park would thi...I wonder what the people at Jackson Park would think if they knew that Estes had posted 17 comments on this one thread during working hours?<br /><br />January 14, 2011 10:27 AM<br /><br />Wait a minute, wasn't he at another church just a few years back?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11928933711885668292011-01-14T11:27:27.011-05:002011-01-14T11:27:27.011-05:00"EY is cutting edge on a lot of things and it..."EY is cutting edge on a lot of things and it makes people uncomfortable. He lives big (and I don't really care). He is more of a discipler than an evangelist (though people are being saved through the ministry he is over).<br /><br /><br />Humans are NOT "OVER" ministries. They are among the priesthood. That is a foundational problem for you and the Ed types.<br /><br />So, cutting edge means not telling your donors the truth about how you are spending money?<br /><br />What are Ed followers being saved "to"? I have yet to hear the full gospel from his lips.<br /><br />Jon, the more you comment, the more we are finding out just how shallow you are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-4319218402700438432011-01-14T11:24:24.778-05:002011-01-14T11:24:24.778-05:00"There is NO evidence against Pastor Brunson ..."There is NO evidence against Pastor Brunson for any sins or crimes."<br /><br /><br />There are when anyone gets to list what a sin is."<br /><br />IOW:<br /><br />You must have a "title" of "pastor" in order to get to list what a sin is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-38185321334089759542011-01-14T11:22:04.772-05:002011-01-14T11:22:04.772-05:00"Its not about their differences but about Go..."Its not about their differences but about God's word speaking to the respective way in which he designed things.<br />"<br /><br />Specific biblical roles for women:<br /><br />Hammering a tent peg into a man's head.<br /><br />Hiding spiesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79631846186912164972011-01-14T10:46:42.878-05:002011-01-14T10:46:42.878-05:00"I like Ergun. He has always been a blessing ..."I like Ergun. He has always been a blessing to me. He has embellished some of his stuff but nothing worth crucifying him over. many on this blog would disagree with me on this."<br /><br />I don't know, it seems to me that you were really upset when you thought that someone said something untrue about your past (applying for a principal's position). Of course, you dropped it after someone dug up the old post. I guess dishonesty only bothers you when it affects you directly in a negative way. <br /><br />If dishonesty is used to make one rich and famous and just happens to sully the name of Christ, who cares?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20423693358385764232011-01-14T10:27:18.431-05:002011-01-14T10:27:18.431-05:00I wonder what the people at Jackson Park would thi...I wonder what the people at Jackson Park would think if they knew that Estes had posted 17 comments on this one thread during working hours?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-56597706927784090032011-01-14T10:22:34.119-05:002011-01-14T10:22:34.119-05:00"I like Ergun. He has always been a blessing ..."I like Ergun. He has always been a blessing to me. He has embellished some of his stuff but nothing worth crucifying him over. many on this blog would disagree with me on this."<br /><br />Small church pastor doesn't have a problem with big church leader lying about his background in public. Times have changed since I attended a small church. <br /><br />Who is advocating a crucifiction? Straw man argument - again - sigh.<br /><br /><br />"If Ergun apologized to all on this forum, the onslaught would continue because it was not done while he was on bended knee, kissing someones ring, with his head cocked a certain way... You get the idea."<br /><br />Judging people's motivations - again - with zero evidence.<br /><br />Jon really does believe that he has a special anointing doesn't he?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7440762692023022382011-01-14T09:41:50.731-05:002011-01-14T09:41:50.731-05:00TYPO ALERT
I do understand what you are saying bu...TYPO ALERT<br /><br />I do understand what you are saying but on this cyber planet you are the lazered and will be shot upon sight.<br /><br />should say:<br /><br />I do understand what you are saying but on this cyber planet you are the alian and will be lazered upon sight.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3441742742699477902011-01-14T09:41:05.612-05:002011-01-14T09:41:05.612-05:00"There is NO evidence against Pastor Brunson ..."There is NO evidence against Pastor Brunson for any sins or crimes."<br /><br /><br />There are when anyone gets to list what a sin is.<br /><br />"Ergun Canter is a godly man who took seriously God's word that says..."become all things to all people"...and he become a Muslim to win Muslims to Christ!"<br /><br />I like Ergun. He has always been a blessing to me. He has embellished some of his stuff but nothing worth crucifying him over. many on this blog would disagree with me on this.<br /><br />If Ergun apologized to all on this forum, the onslaught would continue because it was not done while he was on bended knee, kissing someones ring, with his head cocked a certain way... You get the idea.<br /><br /><br /><br />"Ed Young Jr is a "rock star" for Jesus!! He can preach, rap, write, and lead like no one since the Apostle Paul!!"<br /><br /><br />EY is cutting edge on a lot of things and it makes people uncomfortable. He lives big (and I don't really care). He is more of a discipler than an evangelist (though people are being saved through the ministry he is over).<br /><br /><br />"Let's stop putting down our Leaders and Let's start praising God for them!!!"<br /><br />Why, then the rock star status of being against these things would dissipate in their own minds. <br /><br />I do understand what you are saying but on this cyber planet you are the lazered and will be shot upon sight.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-20718601797603872352011-01-14T09:32:56.734-05:002011-01-14T09:32:56.734-05:00"The husband as the spiritual leader (Holy Sp..."The husband as the spiritual leader (Holy Spirit) for the wife...etc.'<br /><br />Using Holy spirit in your comment is your doing, not mine. Removing it from your equation would make me accept the statement. For me, I have yet to cut that part of my bible out and discard it. When I do, I'll join your doctrinal side.<br /><br />"Perhaps you could list their "spiritual" differences."<br /><br />Its not about their differences but about God's word speaking to the respective way in which he designed things.<br /><br />Your argument is not with me.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-7661033486684385502011-01-14T09:26:52.723-05:002011-01-14T09:26:52.723-05:00Why are we convicting these people without proof?
...Why are we convicting these people without proof?<br /><br />There is NO evidence against Pastor Brunson for any sins or crimes.<br /><br />Ergun Canter is a godly man who took seriously God's word that says..."become all things to all people"...and he become a Muslim to win Muslims to Christ!<br /><br />Ed Young Jr is a "rock star" for Jesus!! He can preach, rap, write, and lead like no one since the Apostle Paul!!<br /><br />Let's stop putting down our Leaders and Let's start praising God for them!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-44183443020176385152011-01-14T08:06:49.359-05:002011-01-14T08:06:49.359-05:00I believe in equality but not sameness.
January 1...I believe in equality but not sameness.<br /><br />January 14, 2011 8:00 AM<br /><br />Actually Jon, the propaganda of 'seperate but equal" fits better for what what you have promoted.<br /><br />Specially anointed "pastors". The husband as the spiritual leader (Holy Spirit) for the wife...etc.<br /><br />Of course men and women are "different" physically. Perhaps you could list their "spiritual" differences.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66899323021170394142011-01-14T08:00:07.419-05:002011-01-14T08:00:07.419-05:00"In your world "pastor" trumps &quo..."In your world "pastor" trumps "husband/male" trumps "wife/female"."<br /><br />Wrong.<br /><br />"If you do not believe in roles then everybody who knew of the abuse had the same responsibility to report. How long each knew is irrelevant. They should have reported as soon as they knew about it."<br /><br />The role of a person does not matter. When someone finds out of such abuse they must report it immediately.<br /><br />Never have I, knowingly, stated anything else.<br /><br />I believe in equality but not sameness.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-18719841891863650692011-01-13T19:21:02.264-05:002011-01-13T19:21:02.264-05:00Estes,
You and New BBC are looking at this from d...Estes,<br /><br />You and New BBC are looking at this from different angles. You believe in biblical gender roles. New BBC does not.<br /><br />"That same question can be asked about finding out 17 years later."<br /><br />Not if you believe in biblical roles! In your world "pastor" trumps "husband/male" trumps "wife/female". Each role demands a greater level of responsibility so no role ever trumps "pastor". If you believe in roles, Gaines had a greater level of responsibility to report. If you do not believe in roles then everybody who knew of the abuse had the same responsibility to report. How long each knew is irrelevant. They should have reported as soon as they knew about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com