tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post8682676335053739666..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Perry Noble's Church Opens Service With Katy Perry Song: So Is it Really Non-Tithers Who Promote the Gay Lifestyle, or NewSpring Church?FBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-70685379366796808232014-12-03T01:08:27.169-05:002014-12-03T01:08:27.169-05:00Perry Noble, his church, and so many who comment o...Perry Noble, his church, and so many who comment on this thread have no idea what Christianity is. Let's refresh some memories. Jesus Christ is God made a man who was fully God and fully man. Jesus died on the cross for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the 3rd Day. He ascended into Heaven and sent the Holy Spirit so that those who repent of their sin and believe in Him as their Savior, Lord, and God would be born of the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />Once born of the Holy Spirit, we have a personal relationship with God. We strive to grow in that relationship; and to be conformed and transformed into the image of God in Christ from within in the process of sanctification. We are to bring the Kingdom of Heaven on earth as in Heaven by preaching the gospel and making disciples of Jesus Christ of all those who come to Christ.<br /><br />Simple short story.<br /><br />Christianity is not a dance craze.<br /><br />It's not a rock band.<br /><br />It's not a social club.<br /><br />If people are bored with Christianity and they want a dance craze, a rock band, and a social club calling that "reaching people for Christ"... then they are of the antichrist. They are not of the true Christian faith.<br /><br />Satan offers you a dance craze, a rock band, and a social club. Satan particularly likes it when you are not happy just living your life as a worldly carnal sinner... but you "decide" that you want to make "this" the "new Christianity".<br /><br />Perry Noble, many of you say, is winning converts to Christ. No, he's gaining members to a dance craze, a rock band, and a social club that is of the world and carnal and seeks to replace the true Christian world with a dance craze, a rock band, and a social club.<br /><br />You people are going straight to hell... just like you were sitting in a den of iniquity that had the name "bar" on the outside in neon.<br /><br />That you cannot see the reality because he put the name "church" on the door... doesn't change the reality.<br /><br />You're going to hell. You're in a false antichrist religion following a messenger of Satan.<br /><br />Are we clear?<br /><br />You're going to hell.<br /><br />That is not Christianity. That is not the Christian faith. You are unregenerate and still in your sins... because that is clear by you not knowing the difference between a church and a bar... and calling a bar a church.<br /><br />Perry is a bartender in a bar... not a pastor in a church. Wake up.Bible studenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06572778517007575816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-21130198871564094572012-04-24T14:02:17.754-04:002012-04-24T14:02:17.754-04:00Obviously whoever wrote this needs to GET A LIFE a...Obviously whoever wrote this needs to GET A LIFE and quit worrying about what other churches are doing. If you don't like NewSpring Church then don't come there and watch and listen just so you can bash my preacher on the internet!! God Bless!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37473763595995987902011-05-09T10:43:32.970-04:002011-05-09T10:43:32.970-04:00"Agree or disagree, it really doesn't mat..."Agree or disagree, it really doesn't matter, I know what I meant and stand beside it."<br /><br />Jon, Jon, Jon.<br /><br />If it hadn't mattered, you wouldn't have responded. And it does matter.<br /><br />Christ set the example. Follow that example and not the culture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-30829409654435653342011-05-09T10:39:44.841-04:002011-05-09T10:39:44.841-04:00"I tell my kids and grandkids often they are ..."I tell my kids and grandkids often they are good. My grandson helps his little sister and I hug him and tell him he was so good to do such a thing. I would hope you do the same thing in similar circumstances."<br /><br />This is a bad analogy Jon. <br /><br />Do you tell them they are good when they do bad things? Probably not.<br /><br />The Bible teaches us that even our righteousness is as filthy rags.<br /><br />Would Jesus call someone good who was living in ongoing, unrepentant sin? He named the sins of the woman and the well and told her to go and sin no more.<br /><br />That is Christ's example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-24539950203911579872011-05-09T10:36:37.423-04:002011-05-09T10:36:37.423-04:00"Maybe you see it as everyone is no good. May..."Maybe you see it as everyone is no good. Maybe you do not like it when others use cultural language (like I did) to be kind to others. I really don't know and I really have no interest in changing your mind."<br /><br />I agree with what Christ taught in Luke 18: 19.<br /><br />If you don't agree, as a pastor, you really should have an interest in changing your mind.<br /><br />Christ's definition of good should trump the culture's definition in a Christian's life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-10876978219843017202011-05-09T10:32:28.295-04:002011-05-09T10:32:28.295-04:00"You and your partner sound like you are good..."You and your partner sound like you are good people. I believe your lifestyle choices are biblically wrong but you are good people, none the less."<br /><br />I was not making a spiritual or biblical judgment but a judgment upon them as a person who lives in this world.<br /><br /><br />This is word parsing of the worst kind. <br /><br />That's why I kept asking for your definition of "good."<br /><br />What you are saying here is in complete opposition to what Christ taught.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-49037121535766552702011-05-09T10:26:28.355-04:002011-05-09T10:26:28.355-04:00"yes, this is a definition you might find in ..."yes, this is a definition you might find in Webster and i do completely understand that the bible says there is none good, no not one."<br /><br />So, it sounds like my claim that your definition is based on the culture and not the Bible is correct.<br /><br />Wouldn't it be wiser to Christians to use the Bible's definition?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34827955116043185052011-05-09T10:24:36.138-04:002011-05-09T10:24:36.138-04:00"I mean that they are nice, not bad people. P..."I mean that they are nice, not bad people. People who are not living their lives to hurt other people intentionally and who deeply care about the world they live in."<br /><br />How can you be sure that all gay people fit this category? This sounds like a prejudiced view to me. Like you are lumping a huge group into one category based on sexual preference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-73662895129112112982011-05-09T10:19:30.812-04:002011-05-09T10:19:30.812-04:00"I grew up IFB, and everyone's an enemy t..."I grew up IFB, and everyone's an enemy to them-the world AND other Christians. I lived among them from birth, so I do know what I'm talking about on that subject."<br /><br />Well, I would say that you know about the ones that you were associated with. I would image that they would have a different opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-32287753819271492282011-05-09T10:17:43.961-04:002011-05-09T10:17:43.961-04:00"I can't find what you said about me sayi..."I can't find what you said about me saying that Christians always need an enemy. All the anonymous posters are running together. I wish everybody would get some kind of name."<br /><br />Here is your quote:<br />"Also, why must there be an enemy? Gays, "the world," liberals?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79712175395753757042011-05-09T10:14:58.332-04:002011-05-09T10:14:58.332-04:00"I agree with all of this. Re the last paragr..."I agree with all of this. Re the last paragraph, I don't claim to follow the Bible. Christians do claim to follow the Bible. But yet they pick and choose what they want to follow from it."<br /><br />Really? You don't agree with the prohibitions on murder, rape and robbery and reject the politically incorrect prohibitions like homosexuality?<br /><br />Re the last paragraph. You are oversimplifying a complicated issue. You can't lump all Christians into one category. <br /><br />Hermeneutics is an art and a science. You become more proficient at it the more you practice it.<br /><br />In order to interpret scripture correctly you have to consider genre, culture, form, technique, context, etc - just as you do in other literature. <br /><br />Not applying civil and ceremonial laws given to a theocracy that pointed toward a messiah is not the same as what non-Chrisitans like to do - cherry picking from scripture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-25733845776107523912011-05-09T10:04:30.083-04:002011-05-09T10:04:30.083-04:00"We have different beliefs about the Bible. I..."We have different beliefs about the Bible. I don't believe God wrote the Bible."<br /><br />God didn't write the Bible. God inspired men to write the Bible. But it is still his guide for living.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-52749636265286911972011-05-09T10:02:49.963-04:002011-05-09T10:02:49.963-04:00"Some of the most brilliant men and women of ..."Some of the most brilliant men and women of all time have been Christians."<br /><br />Very true.<br /><br />Thanks for agreeing. So, why do you accuse Christians of not using their brain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-3452305682074889432011-05-09T10:01:36.025-04:002011-05-09T10:01:36.025-04:00"By open-mindedness, I just mean open to the ..."By open-mindedness, I just mean open to the thoughts of others or learning something new or looking at something from a different angle. Or acknowledging that I could be wrong about something, even if I'm fairly sure I'm right."<br /><br />Thanks for the definition.<br />So, if you are not open-minded are you wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-15170922336737887932011-05-07T11:54:49.128-04:002011-05-07T11:54:49.128-04:00ps
Perry Noble is a wicked unrepentant Scripture ...ps<br /><br />Perry Noble is a wicked unrepentant Scripture twisting false teacher flee him as fast as you can.....<br /><br />a wolf in sheep's clothing? he sure looks like one, no light in the guy's eyes...Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14487653939801553210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-83501859141329969472011-05-07T11:52:26.249-04:002011-05-07T11:52:26.249-04:00"Given that, how should we address the other ..."<b><i>Given that, how should we address the other sins listed in Leviticus? Are you (or your pastor) wesring clothes made of two separate fabrics? I'm assuming you, and your pastor, violate this code everyday just with your shoes. What an abomination to come to church on Sunday and flaunt your rebellion to Levitical law right in God's face.</i></b>"<br /><br />Ahhhhh Ha!!!..the darn old silly worn out moth riddled full of holes "two separate fabrics" argument!!! One of the many oldest arguments in the books I reckons. Many a ning nong uses that argument among other arguments in the books, including trying to justify the evil wicked gross sins of homosexuality on a par with bestiality and other wickedness's. Yikes......<br /><br /><a href="http://www.equip.org/articles/president-bartlet-s-fallacious-diatribe" rel="nofollow">President Bartlet's Fallacious Diatribe</a><br /><br />"touch not mine anointed" even dough id is not clearly defined in the ABOVE POSTS is a nother silly stupid redikulous argument I reckons. Cor if some only took some time out to study their Bibles or borrow one if they aint got one and spend the next ten years READING it and even I'd go as far and say: STUDY it!!! we'd have a heap less problems than we do presently don't enjoy.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/bible-answer-man/read/articles/untouchables-8496.html" rel="nofollow">The Untouchables</a><br /><br />Love or hate Hank, he DOES nail certain issues...<br /><br />The ignorances on somes blogs is simplys astoundings I reckons.<br /><br />off back to sleep now, see ya'll laterDouglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14487653939801553210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-37341924502952927162011-05-07T08:35:48.741-04:002011-05-07T08:35:48.741-04:00"I am asking what you mean by good. I am aski..."I am asking what you mean by good. I am asking for a definition not an application. "<br /><br />I mean that they are nice, not bad people. People who are not living their lives to hurt other people intentionally and who deeply care about the world they live in.<br /><br />yes, this is a definition you might find in Webster and i do completely understand that the bible says there is none good, no not one.<br /><br />My original comment was:<br /><br />"You and your partner sound like you are good people. I believe your lifestyle choices are biblically wrong but you are good people, none the less."<br /><br />I was not making a spiritual or biblical judgment but a judgment upon them as a person who lives in this world.<br /><br />Maybe you see it as everyone is no good. Maybe you do not like it when others use cultural language (like I did) to be kind to others. I really don't know and I really have no interest in changing your mind.<br /><br />I tell my kids and grandkids often they are good. My grandson helps his little sister and I hug him and tell him he was so good to do such a thing. I would hope you do the same thing in similar circumstances.<br /><br />I completely understand how wicked each person is before God because of sin. I completely understand how we are our righteousness is nothing but filthy rags. I do not discount such wickedness in every person but even with that within mankind, we live in a world where words have meanings and we need to reach that world using a language they will understand. I have no problem telling anyone that good people go to hell.<br /><br />Agree or disagree, it really doesn't matter, I know what I meant and stand beside it.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-58715467659709218042011-05-06T18:29:08.680-04:002011-05-06T18:29:08.680-04:00I can't find what you said about me saying tha...I can't find what you said about me saying that Christians always need an enemy. All the anonymous posters are running together. I wish everybody would get some kind of name.<br /><br />I grew up IFB, and everyone's an enemy to them-the world AND other Christians. I lived among them from birth, so I do know what I'm talking about on that subject.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10620781067677055351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-53768345380478689872011-05-06T18:25:18.984-04:002011-05-06T18:25:18.984-04:00The Bible is the foundation for the amount of civi...The Bible is the foundation for the amount of civility we enjoy in our western civilization. <br /><br />"Our founding fathers used it as a guide in building our nation.<br /><br />It contains valuable instructions for living a productive and happy life. <br /><br />You can't just throw out portions that are not currently popular with the secular society and be consistent."<br /><br />I agree with all of this. Re the last paragraph, I don't claim to follow the Bible. Christians do claim to follow the Bible. But yet they pick and choose what they want to follow from it.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10620781067677055351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-66483355505115709242011-05-06T18:03:31.326-04:002011-05-06T18:03:31.326-04:00"And where did those things come from? Wouldn..."And where did those things come from? Wouldn't it be wise to obey the book that was written as a guide by your creator?<br /><br />Christians have access to those same qualities along with wise counsel from their creator."<br /><br />We have different beliefs about the Bible. I don't believe God wrote the Bible.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10620781067677055351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5811842954465924152011-05-06T18:00:22.951-04:002011-05-06T18:00:22.951-04:00"Some of the most brilliant men and women of ..."Some of the most brilliant men and women of all time have been Christians."<br /><br />Very true.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10620781067677055351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2235576324169385732011-05-06T17:56:39.879-04:002011-05-06T17:56:39.879-04:00"I have a question about open-mindedness.&quo..."I have a question about open-mindedness."<br /><br />By open-mindedness, I just mean open to the thoughts of others or learning something new or looking at something from a different angle. Or acknowledging that I could be wrong about something, even if I'm fairly sure I'm right.Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10620781067677055351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-35594996997149592572011-05-06T13:49:29.059-04:002011-05-06T13:49:29.059-04:00"While I don't generally agree with Jon, ..."While I don't generally agree with Jon, I think his post at 12:17 is the right approach."<br /><br />In this case, Jon is being consistent (with his inconsistent view). Jon reminds me of George Castanza from the Seinfeld show. Go with the opposite. Disagree with him and you are 99% sure to be right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-2362350326585539402011-05-06T13:47:26.048-04:002011-05-06T13:47:26.048-04:00"Now, I am not a homosexual, and truly I do t..."Now, I am not a homosexual, and truly I do think it is a sin. But I'm done with people labeling this the unpardonable sin and driving people, and churches, out of fellowship because of it. I don't claim to have the answers, but I do know that hating people is not part of God's plan. Saying "hate the sin, love the sinner" is an excuse for hate."<br /><br />Who is labeling this as the unpardonable sin? The Bible teaches us that anyone who claims to love God and has continued unrepentant sin in his life is a liar. <br /><br />Your definition of hate comes from the culture not the Bible. The Bible teaches us to love the sinner and hate the sin - just like we do with sin in our own lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5343469179055613062011-05-06T13:43:36.702-04:002011-05-06T13:43:36.702-04:00"Thank you for quoting from Leviticus to tell..."Thank you for quoting from Leviticus to tell us that homosexuality is a sin."<br /><br />"Given that, how should we address the other sins listed in Leviticus?"<br /><br />Well, it depends. If you interpret scripture like Jon does, in a wooden literal sense, then those laws are still applicable for today. That's how he came to the incorrect conclusion that the tithe is still required in the NT era. He accused anyone who disagreed with him of taking the OT scriptures as historical narrative only.<br /><br />Of course, we are not supposed to notice that he does the same things with verses about the Sabbath and many other like the ones you quoted.<br /><br />So, is the Bible wrong or is Jon's interpretation wrong? I'll let you figure that one out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com