tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post9057189431406221177..comments2024-03-23T22:54:58.661-04:00Comments on FBC Jax Watchdogs: Why So Few Tithers? Perhaps They Accepted a "False Gospel" and Didn't Count the CostFBC Jax Watchdoghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comBlogger141125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28603079329542111112011-07-21T13:02:26.083-04:002011-07-21T13:02:26.083-04:00What needs to be clarified is which tithe are peop...What needs to be clarified is which tithe are people referring to? As you pointed out, Malachi is always quoted and he is referring to the tithing laws of the mosaic covenant.<br />My Bible tells me we are no longer under the law. So why don't the tithing proponents also condemn eating pork and encourage the stoning of rebellious children?<br />How do they think they can pick and choose from the torah? Paul is very clear, you can't. It's an all or nothing proposition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85605792635538719902011-03-30T22:16:07.905-04:002011-03-30T22:16:07.905-04:00I've been watching this saga for about a year,...I've been watching this saga for about a year, starting with the state attorneys' office "inadvertently destroying" evidence in what should have been and was a major civil rights lawsuit. I listen to Mac Brunson pretty regularly and he's an amazing preacher. I've learned a lot about the Bible. But about 40% of the message is about what they are not rather than what they are; scorn & shallow browbeating about tithing. Even as SBC admits to "crisis" and shrinking membership. Perhaps they should demand 1040s as prerequisite to walking the aisle? Isn't that a sin? I appreciate this blog.Michael Halletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15490289651378056653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-81410302422027811092011-03-29T10:06:39.823-04:002011-03-29T10:06:39.823-04:00you guys who believe a 'tithe' for the new...you guys who believe a 'tithe' for the new Covenant.......what do you do with Barnabas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55801735634812282372011-03-29T09:33:38.871-04:002011-03-29T09:33:38.871-04:00Watchdog you are right and thats why there are tho...Watchdog you are right and thats why there are those that do not like you putting the spotlight on them. As for tithing isn't it odd that the same people that call for 10% overlook the 10% of cattle, goats, sheep that are to be given to the church. Where would say 1000 sheep, goats, and cattle be stalled at some of these churches. Also, you are to give 10% of your land. What part of the land..near the river, closer to town, or alongside the main road. When you practice tithing you can't go half way you have to go 100% sort of like baptizing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-28464582156851851842011-03-29T09:21:54.424-04:002011-03-29T09:21:54.424-04:00"I'll tell you what giving 3% is.
It'..."I'll tell you what giving 3% is.<br />It's a mockery of God. 9.99% is still short, but would be much better."<br /><br />I disagree with the a lot of WD's posts and with the tone in which he posts it. However, the one things I believe he is consistently right on is the fact that the 10% tithe is not a requirement. Look at the New Testament teachings on tithing. 10% is not there. The New Testament encouragement is to give out the abundance of blessing that God gives you. It is giving to the best of your ability which is going to be different for each person. Ultimately, giving is tied back to the heart. You'll give according to your heart. Also, let's not limit giving to money. God expects us to give in every way we can give. This includes time, talents, energy, etc... 10% is not part of the New Covenant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-26829083212181923132011-03-29T08:32:25.653-04:002011-03-29T08:32:25.653-04:00STS - I believe you are a troll of the worst kind ...STS - I believe you are a troll of the worst kind - one that actually doesn't believe what you are saying, but are taking a counter position to rile people up. <br /><br />This statement has me convinced that you are an out of towner just trying to raise a ruckus:<br /><br />"If such person comes to our Church and raises cain about things they do not like at FBC Jax.....<br /><br />WE WILL GIVE YOU A CHRISTIAN BOOT!<br /><br />AND THAT IS BIBLE!!!"<br /><br />----------<br />You aren't a FBC Jax person, I know that, you are out of town. So why are you saying this? To get people riled up?<br /><br />I won't bite, my friend. Please stop this playing games.<br /><br />If you want to defend your position please do so, but no more of the side issues about whether I'm depressed, etc. That is childish. If you continue I'll delete your posts.FBC Jax Watchdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10740366031265491559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-79689304326261666722011-03-29T08:23:59.535-04:002011-03-29T08:23:59.535-04:00So...What's the problem Dog?
Are you depresse...So...What's the problem Dog?<br /><br />Are you depressed?<br />Are you struggling emotionally?<br /><br />Usually when a person finds fault with everything, it is because they are not happy with themselves.<br /><br />If a person has a problem with people sunbathing at the beach...<br /><br />SOLUTION: DON'T GO TO THE BEACH!!<br /><br />If a person does not like a Church that teaches Tithing...<br /><br />SOLUTION: FIND ANOTHER CHURCH<br /><br />If such person comes to our Church and raises cain about things they do not like at FBC Jax.....<br /><br />WE WILL GIVE YOU A CHRISTIAN BOOT!<br /><br />AND THAT IS BIBLE!!!Slow to speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112253493029220293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-91557209352644901092011-03-29T00:37:02.177-04:002011-03-29T00:37:02.177-04:00Wow this is sad. Christians fighting over somethin...Wow this is sad. Christians fighting over something as trivial as tithing. Praise AllahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-68534808318707017962011-03-28T18:32:08.481-04:002011-03-28T18:32:08.481-04:00Continuing:
“The Root of All Evil.
If a believer w...Continuing:<br />“The Root of All Evil.<br />If a believer wishes to tithe out of personal decision or conviction, that is fine. Tithing becomes a problem when it is represented as God’s command, binding upon every believer.<br />Mandatory tithing equals oppression to the poor. Not a few poor Christians have been thrown headlong into further poverty because they have been told that if they do not tithe, they are robbing God. When tithing is taught as God’s command, Christians who can barely make ends meet are guilted into deeper poverty. In this way, tithing evacuates the gospel from being “good news to the poor.” Rather than good news, it becomes a heavy burden. Instead of liberty, it becomes oppression. We are so apt to forget that the original tithe that God established for Israel was to benefit the poor, not hurt them!<br />Conversely, modern tithing is good news to the rich. To a high-earner, 10% is but a paltry sum. Tithing, therefore, appeases the consciences of the rich, while it has no significant impact on their lifestyles. Not a few wealthy Christians are deluded into thinking they are “obeying God” because they throw a measly 10% of their income into the offering plate.<br />But God has a very different view of giving. Recall the parable of the widow’s mite: “Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. ..I tell you the truth, ‘ He said, ..this poor widow has put in more than all the others. All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”<br />Sadly, tithing is often viewed as a litmus test for discipleship. If you are a good Christian, you will tithe (so it is thought). But this is a bogus application. Tithing is no sign of Christian devotion. If it were, all first-century Christians would be condemned as being un-devoted!<br />The lingering root behind the sustained push for tithing in the modern church is the clergy salary. Not a few pastors feel that they must preach tithing to remind their congregation of its obligation to support them and their programs. And they will use the promise of financial blessing or the fear of a financial curse to ensure that the tithes keep rolling in.<br />In this way, modern tithing is the equivalent of a Christian lottery. Pay the tithe, and God will give you more money in return. Refuse to tithe, and God will punish you. Such thoughts rip at the heart of the good news of the gospel.”WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-11520772102988029432011-03-28T16:28:48.343-04:002011-03-28T16:28:48.343-04:00RC
Thank you for your sacrifice. I think a few pe...RC<br /><br />Thank you for your sacrifice. I think a few people who comment on this blog should shut their mouths and think about what you said. I wish I was as half as sacrificial as you are. You remind me of David Platt and his book Radical. May we all be more like that!<br /><br />Lots of Dees writing into this blog.Dee "Wartburg"noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1519704752063036252011-03-28T15:51:21.578-04:002011-03-28T15:51:21.578-04:00"This reminds me of the worst tangled fishing..."This reminds me of the worst tangled fishing line I ever saw as a kid. Not sure where to start. It's such a mess of bad thinking."<br /><br />Yep, Jon insults and uses really bad exegesis for several threads which has been proved by quite a few YET now he resorts to his "whiny pious preacher" act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-76989747052834128912011-03-28T15:43:37.240-04:002011-03-28T15:43:37.240-04:00"I wonder if those here who believe to tithe ..."I wonder if those here who believe to tithe as wrong, believe gluttony is synonymous with obesity, believe that it is wrong to touch God's anointed (which is all of us) will allow me to sit by them in heaven? Either side, right or left is OK, just to be able to sit by you would make heaven worth while."<br /><br />This reminds me of the worst tangled fishing line I ever saw as a kid. Not sure where to start. It's such a mess of bad thinking.<br /><br />Instead of wasting hours trying to untangle this huge mess, perhaps we should turn it around and ask some questions instead.<br /><br />How many here can show why the three tithes in Deuteronomy and Leviticus are not still in effect for today? <br /><br />I mean wouldn't it make more sense that we pay all 3 or none and not just one?<br /><br />When and where were the other two tithes done away with?<br /><br />Or were those just historical narrative?<br /><br />Gluttony causes obesity 99.99999999999999% of the time. How much closer a percentage do you need for it to be called synonymous?<br /><br />According to your definition of "touch not God's anointed" (today's version), you are guilty of doing what you preach against.<br /><br />Since you have defined touching as criticizing and have criticized people on this blog, how are you not guilty of touching God's anointed?<br /><br />By the way, why did you spend so much time listing modern day prophets (and not being able to authenticate them) if everyone is anointed and not to be touched?<br /><br />Under that interpretation, is Brunson guilty of touching God's anointed by serving Dog and his wife trespass papers?<br /><br />I picture you Jon (as David Letterman once said) with really bad seats in heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-1722738031462956342011-03-28T15:35:05.664-04:002011-03-28T15:35:05.664-04:00"Is believing the bible OT and NT relevant an..."Is believing the bible OT and NT relevant and applicable to our day?"<br /><br />This is an over-simplified view of biblical interpretation. <br /><br />You obviously don't believe that a child should be stoned for disobedience, yet there it is in black and white in the OT.<br /><br />So you are guilty of what you are accusing others according to your own over-simplified definition.<br /><br />Get the log out of your own eye before you try to remove the speck from others.<br /><br />March 28, 2011 3:32 PM<br /><br />Great points. Jon likes the OT parts that benefit him. Yet, I bet he owns property of some kind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-55239836429324890192011-03-28T15:33:28.443-04:002011-03-28T15:33:28.443-04:00I wonder if those here who believe to tithe as wro...I wonder if those here who believe to tithe as wrong, believe gluttony is synonymous with obesity, believe that it is wrong to touch God's anointed (which is all of us) will allow me to sit by them in heaven? Either side, right or left is OK, just to be able to sit by you would make heaven worth while.<br /><br />March 28, 2011 2:58 PM<br /><br />Jon, you are SOOOOO deceptive. For those who want to know why I said that, go read the "married to pastor" thread for what Jon was saying there which is not what he is saying on this thread. surprise!<br /><br />He has been claiming for years that certain people like pastors (and now he added prophets) have special anointing that others do not have and they fall under the "touch not thine anointed" taught in the OT about Saul the king. (He originally said this way back around 2007 about Steve Gaines on the BBCopenforum blog)<br /><br /><br />Then he named some modern day prophets for us on the married to pastors thread. <br /><br />But he refused to define "prophet" for us so we know how he is using it...as in OT prophet? <br /><br /><br />NOW, he is saying all believers have anointing which WE HAVE BEEN TELLING HIM FOR YEARS NOW. (It is in 1 John)<br /><br />Methinks Jon is a bit like Caner. He must think some people forget what he said before. Now, he is changing his tune when he gets nailed.<br /><br />Jon is the poster boy for the typical SBC pastor out there.<br /><br />Please test every word from their mouths. This is how they make thier living, remember that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85957568164397686152011-03-28T15:32:50.416-04:002011-03-28T15:32:50.416-04:00"Is believing the bible OT and NT relevant an..."Is believing the bible OT and NT relevant and applicable to our day?"<br /><br />This is an over-simplified view of biblical interpretation. <br /><br />You obviously don't believe that a child should be stoned for disobedience, yet there it is in black and white in the OT.<br /><br />So you are guilty of what you are accusing others according to your own over-simplified definition.<br /><br />Get the log out of your own eye before you try to remove the speck from others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-5808344413607315362011-03-28T15:29:23.677-04:002011-03-28T15:29:23.677-04:00"Is obesity a sin?"
Gluttony is a sin.
..."Is obesity a sin?"<br /><br />Gluttony is a sin.<br />Gluttony causes obesity.<br /><br />There are exceptions to every rule Jon. That does not excuse unbiblical behavior. <br /><br />You are not the exception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-85867032865521538412011-03-28T15:26:45.655-04:002011-03-28T15:26:45.655-04:00"Is tithing a sin?"
Straw man argument...."Is tithing a sin?"<br /><br />Straw man argument.<br /><br />"Seems so from this cyber church."<br /><br />By now, even a middle-aged person should know the difference in a blog and a cyber-church Jon.<br /><br />Nothing makes a person look more out of touch than calling a piece of well-established technology by the wrong name.<br /><br />Sheesh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-14038964222081269792011-03-28T15:25:34.373-04:002011-03-28T15:25:34.373-04:00"Is tithing a sin?
Seems so from this cyber ..."Is tithing a sin?<br /><br />Seems so from this cyber church."<br /><br />Note how Jon does not deal with context. He simply twists it around to say that many believe tithing is a sin.<br /><br />But you know...is it a sin to TEACH the tithe to people when you know it is NOT for the NC? That is an interesting question because it involves truth for today and twisting scripture to fit a personal need.<br /><br />Jon makes his living from teaching a tithe. He does not trust God like McArthur does. McArthur does NOT teach a tithe but what is taught in the NC: "giving". No percentages mentioned. Yet, McArthur makes quite a nice living.<br /><br />Jon, what little faith you have. Instead you teach folks they are under an Isreal "tax" system in the NC.<br /><br />Again, are you a Levite Priest, then?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-41891659117933816812011-03-28T15:25:30.141-04:002011-03-28T15:25:30.141-04:00New BBC Forum, you said
"(FWIW, I don't ...New BBC Forum, you said<br /><br />"(FWIW, I don't believe there's such a thing as an "addiction" to porn. One can repeatedly yield to what is for some a very strong temptation, but unlike drugs or alcohol, one is not going to go into physical withdrawal if he doesn't view porn.)"<br /><br />That's just not accurate. Numerous studies, both secular and from within the church, have discovered that those truly addicted to porn do have physical symptons that are similiar to other addictions.Dee Lauderdalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14723069502535620781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-51293259973283885112011-03-28T14:58:38.398-04:002011-03-28T14:58:38.398-04:00Is tithing a sin?
Seems so from this cyber church...Is tithing a sin?<br /><br />Seems so from this cyber church.<br /><br />Is obesity a sin?<br /><br />Ditto.<br /><br />Is believing the bible OT and NT relevant and applicable to our day?<br /><br />Not at this cyber church.<br /><br />I wonder if those here who believe to tithe as wrong, believe gluttony is synonymous with obesity, believe that it is wrong to touch God's anointed (which is all of us) will allow me to sit by them in heaven? Either side, right or left is OK, just to be able to sit by you would make heaven worth while.Jon L. Esteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13197096460227507823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-80588793192692512292011-03-28T14:57:03.268-04:002011-03-28T14:57:03.268-04:00Tithing is a "False Gospel"?
What???
G...Tithing is a "False Gospel"?<br /><br />What???<br /><br />Giving money to God is wrong?<br /><br />People, this is bizarre?<br /><br />So it is okay to spend your money on yourself, your family, and your friends....but to give your money to God is a "False Gospel"????<br /><br />Dog, have you been to the Doctor lately?<br /><br />You don't have enough oxygen getting to your brain.<br /><br />My Church does not "make me give".<br /><br />I freely give!!!!<br /><br />Just like you freely choose to be greedy and not give anything to the work of God or not to give to missions or not to give to those who are hungry. If you want to be selfish, that's your right.<br /><br />I am not mad that you don't give to God.<br /><br />I just think it is very sad....Slow to speakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04112253493029220293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-84708732408419062252011-03-28T14:44:47.562-04:002011-03-28T14:44:47.562-04:00And by the way, you never answered my questions ab...And by the way, you never answered my questions about "Touch Not Mine Anointed." <br /><br />So, again I ask, of the four modern day prophets that you mentioned, where is their list of fulfilled prophecy that was a part of your definition of a prophet?<br /><br />How do kings fit into your interpretation?<br /><br />How does "touch not" equate to "criticize not?"<br /><br />And since, in context, God was warning the pagan nations not to kill Israel's king and prophets, why wouldn't that be a one time proclamation?<br /><br />Where is the precedent for expanding the warning and extending it to the present day?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-34258504162551025632011-03-28T14:38:21.770-04:002011-03-28T14:38:21.770-04:00Jon Estes,
When, where, and why in the Bible were...Jon Estes,<br /><br />When, where, and why in the Bible were two tithes from the OT dropped so that we only pay one today?<br /><br />You don't believe that the three titles mentioned in Deuteronomy and Leviticus were just historical narrative do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-43656268489907672982011-03-28T14:27:42.727-04:002011-03-28T14:27:42.727-04:00RC, you are an excellent example for all of us. T...RC, you are an excellent example for all of us. Thank you for all you do and may God bless you more and more.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8384632623933772727.post-69564393780771421722011-03-28T14:24:56.465-04:002011-03-28T14:24:56.465-04:00Hi, Turn, how is your day going? I am not sure wh...Hi, Turn, how is your day going? I am not sure what your comments have to do with tithing vs. God cheerful willing giving. One is man directed the other is directed by Godtrough faith. None of us here has ever said you are not free to tithe. None of us here has ever said not to give liberally. I think we are all in agreement that we are to give. When I stand before God I will plead the blood and the cross, I have nothing else. But as long as I am here I will stand for truth, even when it is unpopular.WishIhadknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12487727353887788291noreply@blogger.com