Matthew 7:15 (NIV) “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matthew 24:11: (NIV) “…and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.”

2 Timothy 2:23 - 25 (NIV) - 23Again I say, don’t get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. 24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. 25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth.

Thursday, August 27, 2015

Josh Duggar and Fundamentalists: Ladies and Voters Beware

"I actually really hope that his wife leaves him and takes his children away from him and leaves him a lonely, bitter man," Dillon said. "I don't think he deserves happiness."  These words sound eerily like what a respected Christian lady told another Christian wife and mother of three children when it was learned her husband was a blogger.   

Danica Dillon, pictured below, is the porn star who alleges she had "violent and terrifying sex" with Josh Duggar for $1500, after he spent $600 on her at a strip club.  According to internet reports, her real name is Ashley Lewis. And she is someone's daughter. She lives in California and owns a pet chihuahua named Caliegh Marie. And God loves her and Jesus died for her. And her path crossed with a prominent Christian man that fundamentalists loved, respected and admired as a good Christian man.  

What is it about fundamentalists and their priorities?

It seems pastors are so busy preaching about Supreme Court decisions, no prayer in school, and no ten commandments allowed to be posted in government buildings, that they seemingly aren't concerned about a pastor, or deacon, or their own son, cheating on his wife! 

They lament about our country's waywardness, but never address these much more harmful and devastating sins. They don't even consider that God is judging America for prominent, and not so prominent, Christian men cheating on their wives as long as those men profess to believe the right things and are supportive of the pastor. What "hurts" the cause of Christ more, an adulterer or a blogger who questions charlatans and talking donkeys?  If you are a fundy, you already know the answer to that and I hope you will be more than happy to articulate that view in the comments area.

Tullian Tchividjian, the grandson of Billy Graham, is another recent "man of God" that couldn't keep his vows or commitment to his wife no matter how much Bible he read, preached and believed. Yet there is quick forgiveness for these men as long as they apologize and get counseling.

After all, we all sin, right guys?  Boys will be boys?  But when it comes to a man that has been a faithful husband for 30 years, but doesn't tithe and doesn't believe in talking donkeys, well, we need to be concerned about his salvation.  Good father?  So what!  Good provider for your family?  Who cares! Faithful husband? Big deal!

What fundies want to know is how you can pick and choose which parts to believe and still call yourself a Christian. I'm telling you, this is what the modern evangelical church is coming to. Embarrassment. Disgrace. Unattractive to those outside the cult mentality. And most damning, the church and the Bible are not getting any serious consideration from our children as something they need to have fuller, more meaningful lives. Our churches have bigger celebrities, bigger buildings and bigger staff; as well as TV, radio and internet to spread their message all over the world, but those that are not indoctrinated are not interested.

I bet none of the above guys, and the ones you know about too, were ever told by a preacher "you are not a man" and "you are not a Christian."  That kind of condemnation is reserved ONLY for those that give 9% or less (non-tithers), or those that question (in other words those that attack and persecute) God's man, or question some scriptures.

So Christian ladies beware!  That seemingly "good Christian man" may say all the right things, and even if his dad is the mega-church pastor, he may end up being a real jerk who will cheat on you when the opportunity arises. Don't be fooled! The stories are getting so common it's almost not even newsworthy.  Except when it involves off the chart hypocrisy, as in the case of prominent preachers and Christian celebrities like Josh Duggar. And think of how many more millions of such stories are swept under the rug and kept private by churches, pastors, and their congregations so as not to "harm the cause of Christ."

Josh Duggar, who just a few months ago was a respected Christian man, cashing in on his and his family's celebrity, was hobnobbing with Christian men who want to be the next leaders of the free world. These fundies might tell you not to associate with a blogger, but they love to associate with men like Josh Duggar. Why? Because they relate to him. They share his values.

Don't be fooled by their nonsense.  Google Bill Gotthard and his Advanced Training Institute scandals to know where these "godly men" get their views of women. These candidates identify with Josh Duggar and Bill Gotthard or they wouldn't be taking photographs with him.

So I will ask the question of you that many have asked of me: How can a man like this really know Christ and love Jesus and claim to be a Christian?  He pays money that could have gone to his family, or his church, or to help women and girls being sold in the sex industry.  But instead he pays to exploit women and cheat on his wife.  And not just his wife.  He has cheated on his children too. And his mom and dad. And his professed faith. And he has hurt his wife, his family, his in-laws, his parents, the church and the gospel message.

I know what you're thinking. "But at least he doesn't blog or ask questions of his pastor, or question a few scriptures". Don't worry Josh. You will be back with no consequences as soon as your counseling is over.  But be prepared to live with the disdain and contempt from your wife and families for the harm you have caused for the rest of your days.

"I actually really hope that his wife leaves him and takes his children away from him and leaves him a lonely, bitter man, I don't think he deserves happiness."  Does this sentiment apply to bloggers, or to adulterers, or both?  Hmmmm. 


Anonymous said...

It seems pastors are so busy preaching about Supreme Court decisions, no prayer in school, and no ten commandments allowed to be posted in government buildings, that they seemingly aren't concerned about a pastor, or deacon, or their own son, cheating on his wife!

What a hopelessly asinine statement. First of all, who are all these preachers focusing on "Supreme Court decisions, no prayer in schools...." You've given a few cherry picked examples but I want to see evidence for your absurd claim that fundamentalist preachers en masse are focusing on these issues more than sexual sins. Complete and total b.s. Cut out the straw man crap.

Are you really claiming with a straight face that Josh Duggars sin is due to preachers preaching about Supreme Court decisions? Whatever else you can criticize about fundamentalists, you can't criticize them for being lax on sexual sin. Just look at the countless books, seminars, and sermons over the years on the subject.

Please stop with the mindless caricaturing of all those who don't hold to your worldview.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

You may be on to something. I do kind of sound like a pastor by blaming unrelated things and mindless caricaturing of those that don't share my worldview.

Anonymous said...

I see a book or two coming from the Duggar clan as a result of this. Get ready. It is coming soon.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 27, 2015 at 8:28 PM,

There is precious little gospel preached these days in any church. It's all about politics, gay 'agenda', Israel - and be sure to genuflect when you mention that one or they'll beat you with their star of david flag.

The churches are emptying out and the unsaved are not interested in this dog and pony show. They want no part of it, and as a Done, I understand completely.

As for Josh Duggar, he's just the celebrity poster boy for a corrupt and moldy church system.
Now write a paragraph or two about how he's just a misunderstood altar boy.

"Gay marriage will destroy traditional marriages." 32 million cheaters on Ashley Madison would disagree.

Anonymous said...

Watchdog, I think even a better example than Duggar is Ergun Caner. Here is a guy who lied about being a former terrorist right after 9/11. He lied and lied and lied. He defrauded our Marines. He used racial and ethnic and gender stereotypes as regular fare in his sermons. But because he was a darling or Vines and Hunt and Patterson and the late Falwell, he was protected and defended and promoted AFTER he was exposed as a serial liar. He then sued two Christians and was literally laughed out of court and his lawyer reprimanded and had to reimburse the defendants.

But as long as he believes all of the bible, and toes the theological line of the CR crowd, he STILL is preaching. He still is adored and invited to speak at churches.

All can be forgiven. He is ok. We're all sinners. His zinnia "under the blood".

But there is no redemption or grace for the one who is the faithful husband, the committed father, the hard worker who doesn't defraud or lie, unless he believes all of the bible, and doesn't criticize mega church pastors.

It is sad.

Anonymous said...

It's been months since assaulting his sisters came out, weeks since the Ashley Madison story came out, and now this account.

Still waiting to hear the mega SBC pastor persona address the Duggar Debacle honestly for what it IS and why it MATTERS, and with as much time and energy as they spend gay marriage and abortion.

And not by saying the solution is more sex at home (a la Ronnie Floyd).

Still waiting to hear from the SBC brotherhood that adultery is a far greater and more devastating attack on marriage than gay union. Because EVERY incident potentially attacks SEVERAL marriages and MANY children.

It's much easier to speak in rhetoric and generalities and amp up the frenzy than to focus on actual, real, hurting individuals affected by adultery. And not only preach and teach about it, but stand with the victims in their churches.

Anonymous said...

Gomer Pyle asked...

Did you have to visit a porn site to get that picture of the porn star?

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Gomer - No. I went to I justs googled the words "Josh Duggar porn star" and it gave me the link.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. No picture of him with Carly Fiorina. I think I'll vote for her!

Anonymous said...

...they seemingly aren't concerned about a pastor, or deacon, or their own son, cheating on his wife!

Speaking of "or their own son"...

Anonymous said...

Anon @10:15 is right.
There is so gospel being taught or preached anymore. It's all about someone else's sin.
I wonder what would happen if a preacher went after fat folks, or people lusting after money, or vanity....wait....wouldn't that cover a lot of folks standing in today's pulpits?

WishIhadknown said...

“Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.”

Arce said...

"Duggar" is now a synonym for liar, cheat, hypocrite, adulterer, sibling sex abuser -- take your pick. What a lesson to everyone about putting yourself out front as some kind of speshul Christian! And the pastors who touted them have yet to come off of that and tell the TRUTH -- "I was deceived and succumbed to their hype!" would be a reasonable confession from the pulpit!!!

Moses Model said...


I am worried about Josh's view on women. The Duggar household believes that women cannot move out until they are married. Property belongs to the men. It is also ungodly to be mad at your husband even if he repeatedly cheats on you, even if one of his mistresses was a porn star.

If a Muslim man had these views would he have been so popular on the right? I cannot imagine teaching my children such things. We tell the kids all the time that it is appropriate to be mad. It is what you do with that anger than can be inappropriate.

Ramesh said...

Would Duggars have been so successful if they had Mexican last names?

Now that #TrumpBible is very popular on twitter ... How about #DuggarBible? Or do we already have that as the regular bible with "Spread Your Legs Theology" that is popular with Ronnie Floyd who is also SBC President?

These aspects are more insidious than they appear on the surface.

Anonymous said...

What is annoying about Josh and this situation is that he will be even more famous?

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

True. The pew sitters will line up to buy his book and have him sign it. They love to hear about the famous former mob hitman, and former drug addicted womanizing baseball player. Now, with rough sex with a porn star on his resume, Josh should pack them in at your local church. And he can tell all the other men there, most of who have been faithful husbands and wonderful fathers, how to really love their wives. And the wives will look at him with admiration and at their husbands with disdain. It's a cycle that keeps repeating itself. Welcome Josh, to the speaking circuit. It's quite lucrative.

Anonymous said...

These men agree with them or they wouldn't allow their pictures to be taking with them? You have got to be kidding me! This guy may be a sleaze ball but come one man, just because someone takes a picture with someone doesn't mean the identify with them. That is ridiculous!

Thomas Golden said...

I attended an event at our state capital this year where Duggar was the keynote. My staffer and I were the two most liberal men in the room and it was awkward. More so because Duggar was so unconvincing as a public figure. His speech was about his dad and he dropped names like Santorum, pausing to let it sink in that he knows people. Everywhere he went he was looking around with a sly smile that said, "does anyone recognize me...I'm famous" I was still surprised by the scandal, but after seeing him in person I also thought, "yeah, there was definitely something off about that guy..."

Anonymous said...

A porn star who will do anything for money ..... she needs as much prayer as Josh.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Correct. But she isn't claiming that Jesus is Lord of her life. Will she ever trust any "Christian" man again. Another example of the hypocrasy of men and of how so many fundies view women.