"...When He [Jesus] saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd." Matt 9:36

"Do not rob the poor, because he is poor... for the Lord will take up their case and plunder those who plunder them." Proverbs 22:22-23

Wednesday, November 10, 2010

Chris Rosebrough Comments on Brunson 10/10/10 Sermon

Below is an excerpt from the radio show "Fighting for the Faith", hosted by Chris Rosebrough on the Pirate Christian Network. In this clip Rosebrough plays a clip of Mac Brunson's 10/10/10 sermon in which Mac used scripture in Haggai to justify his view that our current economic recession is the judgement of God in retribution for the vast majority of Christians who do not tithe (Mac calls them "those who call themselves Christians" - as perhaps they aren't truly Christians since they are not tithing.)

You'll hear that Rosebrough is almost at a loss for words when he tries to explain Brunson's error. Rosebrough says "even Evil Kneivel can't jump the gap between Haggai chapter 1 to the recession in the United States". True - much, much wider than even the Snake River Canyon, and we know how that went.

Rosebrough sums up his analysis and says:

"Folks, if you want to repent, just send your tithe check to Pastor Mac Brunson, and with each tithe check he gets from you, the United States will begin to inch and crawl its way out of this recession. Boy, that is a major twisting of God's word. Folks that's just biblical malpractice".

Thank the Lord for guys like Rosebrough who expose these false teachings on finances and tithing and other doctrines. He has an interesting website called "The Museum of Idolatry" that is worth taking a look at that chronicles much of the nonsense out there being peddled to the sheep.

I have mentioned Rosebrough on this blog before, so most readers are aware of his ministry. His radio show is mostly devoted to exposure of and commentary on false doctrines in today's churches, but he mixes in healthy doses of humor and irreverence, and also plays examples of solid bible sermons. If you are an I-tunes user, subscribe to his radio show there and check him out from time to time.

His tagline is:

"This is the program that dishes up a daily dose of biblical discernment, the goal of which is to help you think biblically, help you to think critically, to compare what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God."

That is what we all need to do these days more than ever as false teachings, self-serving sermons, and abusive tactics abound in the emergent, purpose driven, and now even our mainstream evangelical pulpits. Perhaps this is coming about as a result of an ever growing supply of churches and pastors, competing for a stagnant number of Christians, and thus we are going to hear more and more nonsense coming from pulpits as they feel the pressure to compete for a larger share of their local Christian "market".

Readers, let's all keep comparing what pastors are saying in the name of God, to the actual Word of God.

And if you have a pastor who doesn't engage in this sort of nonsense to get you to open your wallet, thank the Lord, and tell your pastor how much you appreciate him. There are still pastors out there who teach with integrity what the bible really says about giving, and generosity, and sacrifice and don't resort to theological gymnastics to get their hands on your wallet.

75 comments:

Lynn said...

The idea that God punishes people and judges nations for disobedience is certainly a theme in the Bible. Mac might be erroneously applying that to tithing, but he's not making up this theme.

Mac ties tithing to economic problems.

The Westboro Baptists tie homosexuality to dead soldiers.

I think Pat Robertson tied gays to hurricanes.

The major theme seems to be God is sending bad things your way, and it's your own fault. So be afraid, be very afraid.

I guess the difference in those two groups is Mac says you can remedy this by sending him money and thereby placating this wrathful God. The Westboro people just laugh and tell you you're gonna fry in hell and there's nothing you can do about it.

Anonymous said...

There is a very clear distinction between the Old Testament Temple where the Glory of God was manifested verses the modern day church. God chose the OT high priest and actually spoke to them regarding a place of worship.

Modern day churches are not built mainly for the glory of God but rather for the glory of man.

The present day church has not learned the following facts:

1. Forgiveness
2. Faithfulness
3. Prayer
4. Obedience

What goes on inside these monuments is much more important than the fact that they draw a crowd. Until ministers get back to teaching the above four principles and showing/teaching kindness, the building is nothing more than any other building.

Anonymous said...

Chris R is bitter! I have listened to him on the radio and I thought...."This guy sure does hate alot". So, he just listens to sermons and critiques them all day long. Great job to have. Not sure it's biblical, but I am sure its fulfulling to knock preachers for a living.
When Chris stands before God, he will hear...
Well done my good and critical servant...

Anonymous said...

Biblical Malpractice?? You're darn right!!!! Mac's sermons were almost always like this in Dallas. It was awful. Best I could tell though, the people of the church loved it and ate it up! (see comment #1 above - FB Dallas was filled with clueless people-worshipers like that.)

Anonymous said...

" I have listened to him on the radio and I thought...."This guy sure does hate alot". "

We are supposed to have evil and false teaching.

Most of the ignorant pew sitters have no clue of the false teaching and wolves because they know nothing of the Word. Like you.

Anonymous said...

Most preachers of most denominations do the same thing that Chris and you are condemning. Some do it with great fanfare and rhetoric and others do it with smooth and soft tones. The #1 group is the Mormons followed by the Pentecostals.

As Anon: 8:52 I have listened to Chris off and on since I discovered him and also find his opinions to sometimes be inflammatory and divisive.

As Anon 10:13, his position is like a lot of people. If he does not agree then he slams those that do. Whatever happened to civility and respecting someones opinion?

I have listened to all three of your previous posts and could take either side based on how I feel about the message or the messenger.

I do like the way that you tend to be somewhat balanced in your comments and will show the lack of civility demonstrated by both sides of this and other arguments. I especially am glad you post the ridiculous passionate comments of bitter folks on both sides. Well done.

I like you think debt is a very bad thing and that more folks and especially churches should have no debt. As I understand it, FBCJ has not had any debt for something like 65 or 75 years? That is the way it should be, in my opinion. Unfortunately most churches tend to have debt and that to me is sad.


AN

Anonymous said...

"When Chris stands before God, he will hear...
Well done my good and critical servant..."

"Most of the ignorant pew sitters have no clue of the false teaching and wolves because they know nothing of the Word. Like you."

"FB Dallas was filled with clueless people-worshipers like that."

See what I mean about lack of civility!

Anonymous said...

Both Chris and Mac have the decency to inform their audience that their words are borne of opinion. it seems a bit ironic that you present yourself as a defender of free speech an yet you seek to deny some of that right. Perhaps you can recover some credibility if you could separate your words categorically as either fact, fiction, or opinion.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Lynn - good point, at least there is an out...you guy send more money...and anyways, whether you send it or not, "God collects" as Mac says, so you either give it to your church, or God sends his heavenly Moose and Rocco to get it from ya.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

"Chris R is bitter"

Or maybe we can say "Chris R drinks 'hator-ade', which is a fav saying of Ed Young.

When did evangelicals pick up the mantra of liberal democrats? To criticize is to "hate", to debate is to be "bitter".

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Anon says:

"Both Chris and Mac have the decency to inform their audience that their words are borne of opinion. it seems a bit ironic that you present yourself as a defender of free speech an yet you seek to deny some of that right. Perhaps you can recover some credibility if you could separate your words categorically as either fact, fiction, or opinion."
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Ok, I'll bite. How do I seek to take deny the right to free speech?

About fact, fiction, or opinion. I, like you and I assume all other posters here, all preachers from the pulpit, try to give facts, and then they try to persuade which will require opinion.

One difference that separates preachers in the pulpit from other forms of communication like bloggers and radio guys - we don't seek to convince you that what we are saying is God's holy truth. And people that listen to us don't think that we are "annointed of God" and that our words carry special favor. Our churches are filled with people who pray that God will annointed the preacher so that his words will be the words of God, and thus sermons carry special weight.

That is why it is so dangerous for guys like Brunson and Young to twist scripture to suit their purposes (alert: my opinion), because people believe their words, spoken with a Bible in their hand from behind a pulpit (ok, a cocktail table in Ed's case), are nearly the words of God that need to be obeyed.

(disclaimer: the preceding post was the authors best attempt to be truthful, giving his opinion, trying to persuade you to see things as he sees them. )

Lynn said...

People calling criticizers "bitter" or "haters" or "divisive"-are attacking the messenger. They are changing the subject.

Sometimes they are accused of "having an axe to grind" or having a mental or personality issue.

Now all those things could even be true, but that does not mean they are wrong in their critical remarks.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

About the claim that Rosebrough is "bitter"....that is so laughable, because one of the beautiful things about Rosebrough, is he is not a pastor, he is not an ordained minister. He is a layman. He has an MBA from Pepperdine, and has a degree in religious studies. He is not bitter, doesn't have an "axe to grind", except he can't stand what is happening to the modern day church. His goal is to get people to DISCERN, and stop believing what you hear from the pulpit as gospel truth.

"Compare what people are saying in the name of God, to the word of God". And he does it with humor and irreverence, and that makes him entertaining as well.

We need more Rosebroughs.

Anonymous said...

Slightly off topic: If preachers think we members must tithe or inherit plagues of problems and disasters....that we must just trust God and give the church 10%...., then why if just trusting God and tithing is the answer to prosperity, do these same megas require a CONTRACT with the church to make sure they are "taken care of" financially...including all the perks?????

Please pardon my run-on sentence structure. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

"doesn't have an "axe to grind"

Meaning: Have a dispute to take up with someone or, to have an ulterior motive/ to have private ends to serve.

I have to disagree here. Everyone has an axe to grind. Everyone has an opinion and most of the time their opinion is formed from their experience and passionate belief that they are correct in that opinion.

Just because you agree with someones opinion on a matter does not mean that they "don't have an axe to grind". Also, just because someone has some college degrees does not necessarily make them an expert.

Based on his degrees, I believe that there are far more credible folks that have earned PHD's in regards, like John McArthur, etc., more qualified to render an accuratee opinion. That is not however to discount or minimize the opinion of Christian lay people.

AN

Ben said...

I like what Piper says.

How dare we only give 10%

FBC Jax Watchdog said...
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Ben said...

How much should a pastor give to the church out of his salary? Regardless of what he preaches on the subject.

Would you support a pastor who did not contribute to the work of the church? Would you encourage him to not give until he was in a position to give, no matter what his family income was?

Would you support your pastor not giving so he could put his kids in a private school, or drive a car nicer than he might need, or live in a house in an area better than he had too?

These questions are not for those who do not support the idea of the local church (as we understand it today).

Ben said...

Ben Patrick.

Not that I mind people knowing but I do find it ironic that you would ask instead of you protecting my first amendment rights.

Ben said...

I wonder if this the making of a lawsuit Quick Draw (delete) Dog?

;-)

Anonymous said...

"he just listens to sermons and critiques them all day long. Great job to have. Not sure it's biblical"

You must have missed the part of the Bible where Paul commends the Bereans for comparing his sermons to scripture and holding fast to what is true.

"When Chris stands before God, he will hear...
Well done my good and critical servant..."

According to Paul you are correct.

As shocking as it may come across, not all preachers teach sound doctrine. Discernment comes in hand in these situations.

It beats the alternative of sitting in the pew with your mouth open believing every word a man tells you because he stands behind a podium.

Anonymous said...

"it seems a bit ironic that you present yourself as a defender of free speech an yet you seek to deny some of that right."

In what way?

Anonymous said...

"Not that I mind people knowing but I do find it ironic that you would ask instead of you protecting my first amendment rights."

Is this the same guy who is calling everyone a coward for not giving their name and standing up for themselves despite the dangers?

He sure got wimpy in a hurry.

P.S. Your first amendment rights are not violated when someone asks you to give your name voluntarily.

Sheesh.

Anonymous said...

"I like what Piper says."

Is that the Pied Piper? That helps explain your view on the tithe.

Anonymous said...

"How dare we only give 10%"

Yeah, especially since they gave 23% in the OT.

Ben said...

OK Tom, where's my post with the questions about the pastor giving?

Ben said...

In case it got lost. Here it is again.

How much should a pastor give to the church out of his salary? Regardless of what he preaches on the subject.

Would you support a pastor who did not contribute to the work of the church? Would you encourage him to not give until he was in a position to give, no matter what his family income was?

Would you support your pastor not giving so he could put his kids in a private school, or drive a car nicer than he might need, or live in a house in an area better than he had too?

These questions are not for those who do not support the idea of the local church (as we understand it today).

Ben said...

""it seems a bit ironic that you present yourself as a defender of free speech an yet you seek to deny some of that right."

In what way?"

Tom deleted the post I was referring too. Of course the wink was to say it was for humor. I think Tom got this.

Ben said...

"Your first amendment rights are not violated when someone asks you to give your name voluntarily.
"

I was not asked to give my name.

Anonymous said...

I like what Piper says.

How dare we only give 10%

November 10, 2010 1:44 PM
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I like what the Bible says. Each one should give according to what he purposes in his heart to give. Not under compulsion.

And I assume by "give", Piper means undesignated, to the local church budget? Not to those in need? But to those building renovations and pastor salary and bennys right?

And let me guess. You and Piper both live off those tithes right? Just guessing here.

Ben said...

"Is this the same guy who is calling everyone a coward for not giving their name and standing up for themselves despite the dangers?"

If my statement offended or hurt you, I do apologize. I am working on not being so critical.

Anonymous said...

"How much should a pastor give to the church out of his salary?"

I have a friend who works at a large local independent baptist church who has 10% taken out of his paycheck before he gets it. In order to work at this church, everyone is required to give 10% on their gross, before taxes, paycheck at each pay period.

The reason my friend had it payroll deducted is that-THEY CHECK EVERYONE'S RECORD TO SEE THAT THEY GIVE! If you do not give at least ten percent then you will not stay employed.

It was easier to do the payroll deductible thing than worry about it. Sadly, it takes the joy out of giving. After further research, it turns out that this is done all across this denomination worldwide if you are an employee.

Like I said, he said it sure takes the joy out of giving. At least in the other churches where it is just preached from the pulpit, if you don't want to give just ignore the message.

AN

Anonymous said...

Biblical Malpractice. I love it. Except it doesn't exist. What other profession can say whatever they want and not be held accountable? Doctors? Lawyers? Accountants? All need malpractice insurance. Preachers? Nah. They just say whatever they want, no accountability. Unless they slander someone. Then they will be held accountable. In a big, big way. The hard part is finding someone brazen enough, and pompous enough, to publicly slander someone in a manner that is easily proved. Like in a newspaper and not in a church hallway. Who could be so bold and brazen to do such a thing? That word "pompous" returns to the blog. If the shoe fits...

Anonymous said...

"How much should a pastor give to the church out of his salary? Regardless of what he preaches on the subject."

2 Corinthians 9: 7 is the NT model for giving. There is no division between clergy and laity in the NT. That was incorporated hundreds of years later from the pagan culture.

"Would you support a pastor who did not contribute to the work of the church? Would you encourage him to not give until he was in a position to give, no matter what his family income was?"

It's a moot point since this information is not disclosed to the public.

But even if it were, again, there is no special set of rules for the pastor. The model for his giving is the same as any other Christian - 2 Corinthians 9: 7.

Stop worshiping pastors!

Would you support your pastor not giving so he could put his kids in a private school, or drive a car nicer than he might need, or live in a house in an area better than he had too?

These questions are not for those who do not support the idea of the local church (as we understand it today).

Anonymous said...

Would you support a pastor who did not contribute to the work of the church? Would you encourage him to not give until he was in a position to give, no matter what his family income was?
___________________________________

If the "work of the church" is merely paying salaries and building and maintaining buildings, then I wouldn't encourage him to give a dime to it.

And yes, if he owes others money, it makes no sense and is not biblical to take the money that he owes someone else and give it to his own church budget. Doesn't the bible say to leave your gift at the altar?

Lynn said...

I don't care if pastors tithe or not. But I don't see how they justify living in mansions and getting a housing allowance.

Maybe the congregation would feel more inclined to tithe if they got the same tax breaks that pastors do.

Anonymous said...

Just read Luke 13 and you will see that Mac's sermon has nothing to do with the New Covenant.

Ben said...

""I like what Piper says."

Is that the Pied Piper? That helps explain your view on the tithe."

I apologize for not being clear. I was referring to John Piper. I thought everyone would know. My bad.

Anonymous said...

Wow! To set yourself up as the Judge and Jury of Pastors....who is the Judge and Jury of Chrils Rosebrough? Is he infalliable? Has he ever been wrong? It seems his spiritual gift is the Gift of Criticism ...he is sure good at it!

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

The deleted post was the name I referred to. You said it wasn't you, so I decided to delete it.

I hope that was ok, Ben. I should have checked with you first.

:)

Anonymous said...

"Wow! To set yourself up as the Judge and Jury of Pastors....who is the Judge and Jury of Chrils Rosebrough? Is he infalliable? Has he ever been wrong? It seems his spiritual gift is the Gift of Criticism ...he is sure good at it!"

Wow! You just did the same thing to Chris Rosebrough that you accused him of doing. That's called being a hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

"The deleted post was the name I referred to. You said it wasn't you, so I decided to delete it."

"I hope that was ok, Ben. I should have checked with you first."

LOL!!!

Anonymous said...

"I apologize for not being clear. I was referring to John Piper. I thought everyone would know. My bad."

It was a joke dude.
Lighten up.

Anonymous said...

"Would you support a pastor who did not contribute to the work of the church? Would you encourage him to not give until he was in a position to give, no matter what his family income was?"

Didn't Jesus criticize the Pharisees for giving (food) as a tithe and then saying that they couldn't support the widows because their food had already gone toward the tithe?

Seems like Jesus has already answered this question for you if you support the OT tithe.

Anonymous said...

"Like I said, he said it sure takes the joy out of giving. At least in the other churches where it is just preached from the pulpit, if you don't want to give just ignore the message."

It's a good thing that God doesn't care whether you give joyfully or not. 2 Corinthians 9: 7

Ben said...

"What other profession can say whatever they want and not be held accountable? Doctors? Lawyers? Accountants? All need malpractice insurance. Preachers? Nah. "

All but the last one must live under the "law". Now you would not want a pastor to live under the law, would you?

;-)

Ben said...

"It's a moot point since this information is not disclosed to the public."

I disagree. It is a point of principle.

"But even if it were, again, there is no special set of rules for the pastor. The model for his giving is the same as any other Christian - 2 Corinthians 9: 7."

Is that a yes or no?

"Stop worshiping pastors!"

Where is there pastor worship in my questions? My questions are questions of principle. It has nothing to do with pastor worship. I hope that clears up any confusion you might have.

Anonymous said...

"All but the last one must live under the "law". Now you would not want a pastor to live under the law, would you?"

You mean like the tithe?

Ben said...

"I don't care if pastors tithe or not. But I don't see how they justify living in mansions and getting a housing allowance."

How many of our 42,000 pastors live in mansions? If you have a problem with the housing allowance, that is a political issue. I am sure you take any and all tax benefits the government offers you.

Anonymous said...

"Didn't Jesus criticize the Pharisees for giving (food) as a tithe and then saying that they couldn't support the widows because their food had already gone toward the tithe?"

That almost makes it sound like Jesus is saying not to skip out on your other responsibilities and use the tithe as an excuse not to pay them. Notice how Jesus says that these responsibilities are "weightier" than the tithe.

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.

Anonymous said...

"How many of our 42,000 pastors live in mansions?"

More than one and one it too many.

"If you have a problem with the housing allowance, that is a political issue."

Yeah, you should have voted Republican! It's your fault.

"I am sure you take any and all tax benefits the government offers you."

I do not.
So does that mean you are wrong?

WishIhadknown said...

Ben, all of your posts are right here where you left them. Some of them twice.

Lynn said...

Speaking of people criticizing pastors-isn't it criticism when pastors are up on stage ranting and calling people robbers?

He's not praising you, telling you " you're doing good, trying to honor God, God's on your side, I'm on your side, we're all in this together, I want to hear YOUR thoughts."

Anonymous said...

As Donald Trump's theme song goes, Money, Money, Money, yesterdays mail brought Mac's letter saying he's already thinking about 2011 and is asking the church family to give ONE percent more than we currently give to the church.

November= Tax $$$$
December = Christmas $$$$
January = Mac's $$$$

Geeze, when is enough enough? ;>)

Anonymous said...

Ben, Do you make your living off churches?

WishIhadknown said...

Ben said...
How much should a pastor give to the church out of his salary? Regardless of what he preaches on the subject.”

Again, Ben, there is no defined percentage or amount, that is between God and the person and is based on a concept that perhaps you have heard of called faith.

Ben said...
“Would you support a pastor who did not contribute to the work of the church? Would you encourage him to not give until he was in a position to give, no matter what his family income was?”

The question is too broad to provide a considered answer. It’s kind of like asking is it ever OK to Lie?

Ben said...
“Would you support your pastor not giving so he could put his kids in a private school, or drive a car nicer than he might need, or live in a house in an area better than he had too?”

There is a point where the life style of a pastor is excessive regardless of his giving.

Anonymous said...

Chris rosebough is a hater. Watchdog, you would do well to separate your mission/message from Chris's hard-hearted blathering. I like and respect what you do, watchdog.

Anonymous said...

anon 2:39 I've heard that said b/f about the large local independent baptist church (not too difficult too figure that one out) So you're saying it's true...from a reliable source? Say it aint so!

Anonymous said...

Geeze, when is enough enough? ;>)

When the SBC in concert with government forces control your your life.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Anon 9:17

I've listened to Rosebrough for a couple of years, and he is not a hater.

Of course he might be considered "reformed" or "Calvinist", so some might use that to bash him. But what evidence do you have that Rosebrough is a "hater"? He hates who?

Dee said...

Loved the link to the story of Evil Kneivel and Snake Canyon. My brother was a major fan. I love ti when a guy takes on the authorities. When they wouldn't give permission for him to launch on public land, he bought the land and did it anyway. His view on death is certainly interesting.

Josh from FL said...

"Readers, let's all keep comparing what pastors are saying in the name of God, to the actual Word of God."

AMEN!

Lynn said...

Quote-"How many of our 42,000 pastors live in mansions? If you have a problem with the housing allowance, that is a political issue. I am sure you take any and all tax benefits the government offers you."

I have no idea how many pastors live in mansions. It would be fascinating to find out. Probably more than we might think DO live in very nice houses. And whatever kind of house they live in, they get an allowance for it and for the expenses that go along with it. At least that's my understanding-correct me if I'm wrong.

I would ask what is the purpose of the housing allowance?

And for that matter, what is the purpose of any tax break?

I really don't know any tax breaks I get other than the one you get for children under 17. We get the personal exemption that everybody gets just for being a person. We got some kind of break because of college tuition cost and college loan interest. That's it.

We don't get the housing allowance. We aren't heading up any tours, so we don't get to go free to Europe. We aren't "men of God", so nobody does lots of little things for us just because of our position.

I'm just pointing out some differences between pastors and the congregation. I don't have any big emotional thing about it-I just think the general public should be more informed about it.

Anonymous said...

In my opinion churches are OVER. They have "fallen away". Very few seem to be getting saved in them. They are basically useless, money pits. I have an idea. Why don't we all join the country clubs, not much difference. Since churches arn't churches any longer (my opinion). We can still see our friends and even see the preacher and family at the country club. Only thing is; preacher can't yell at us to provide more money for "whatever". And we can live the lifestyle he lives but we won't be paying for his. And we can accomplish more by each of us committing to witness one on one to others, therefore, spreading the word ourselves, getting people saved without badgering them for money. That way God gets the glory, people get saved, and no one in particular has the "power" to demand anything and we don't support any MAN or his family.!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Has Chris Rosebrough ever preached a sermon? I love football but I never quarterbacked a team. Should I be the judge and jury on the nuances of that position. The Dog and Dog jr. (Chris R) are Monday morning quarterbacking me to death! "Mac burped during his sermon, Mac has spinach in his teeth, Mac didn't pronounce "Hezekiah" correctly, Mac talks about money too much...blah blah blah....Get a life and start working on reaching the Lost, and feeding the hungry, and doing missions....you guys are not called by God to be his "Green Beret"!

Anonymous said...

The Bible states that during the present church age things will get worse and worse. What does that tell you about the state of the church? Yes indeed its much worse that it was 5,10,25, or even 50 years ago. Its not going to get better regardless of who is in charge. Sometime back one of the leaders of the SBC said if you didn't go PD in five years your church would dry up. There are a lot of churches drying up from inside, because the preachers are failing in their job. They are supposed to be interested in getting people SAVED, not in money and lifestyle. The great commsission has been replaced with the idea that man knows more than God. Just follow the MONEY!!!

Anonymous said...

Anon 11:00. And how many hungry people did your church feed today? You don't have to be a quarterback to comment on a bad football play. Neither does one have to be a member of a church to speak about it favorably or unfavorably. Get over yourself. Did God put you up to thse comments or did your daddy?

Long Time FBC Jax Member said...

     I don't see how Christians who are robbing God by not forking over 10 per cent are going to magically start giving 11 per cent just because Big Mac says to. 

    Something which was quite interesting to me was Mac's sermon on the evening of 10/31. It was directed at the Sunday School directors/workers, and it concerned reaching new prospects, and inactive members. Mac said it was up to the SS teachers if the church was going to "s........ "

To me, it sounded like Mac caught himself before he said "survive."   I think this is very serious, in that Mac wants the remaining FBCJ members to invest in an organization that may not be viable in a few years.  What if members give to the bldg fund, and one or more bldgs have to be sold to pay for salaries?? 

     Are church bankruptcies going to be the new trend? Even more reason to give your money directly to help the poor.
 

Anonymous said...

"Has Chris Rosebrough ever preached a sermon?"

Huh? What does that have to do with studying scripture and exegeting it correctly?

You seem to be enamoured with titles and position. If one does not want their sermons critiqued, they had best not make them public to Bereans. Have you ever read 1 Corin 14? Others judged what was taught all the time! That is how you fight false teaching!

WishIhadknown said...

Quote-"How many of our 42,000 pastors live in mansions? If you have a problem with the housing allowance, that is a political issue. I am sure you take any and all tax benefits the government offers you."

Isn't one living in a mansion, one too many?

WishIhadknown said...

If you think criticizing someone is wrong then why are you criticizing us?

Anonymous said...

WishIhadknown said...
If you think criticizing someone is wrong then why are you criticizing us?

November 11, 2010 12:16 PM
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Quote of someone wise:
"How you react to criticism says more about YOU than the critics"

I believe the Watchdog has done an awesome job of handling his critics - especially compared to Mac Brunson, Soud, and the puppets called the Discipline Committee.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Interesting comment on Rosebrough:

"Has Chris Rosebrough ever preached a sermon? I love football but I never quarterbacked a team. Should I be the judge and jury on the nuances of that position. The Dog and Dog jr. (Chris R) are Monday morning quarterbacking me to death! "Mac burped during his sermon, Mac has spinach in his teeth, Mac didn't pronounce "Hezekiah" correctly, Mac talks about money too much...blah blah blah....Get a life and start working on reaching the Lost, and feeding the hungry, and doing missions....you guys are not called by God to be his "Green Beret"!"

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Wow. First of all, I believe Rosebrough has preached, and has debated defending his faith.

Secondly, your question "has he ever preached a sermon" implies he has not, or cannot, as he isn't qualifed. Yes, to be a "preacher" in the SBC, I guess you need to get your M Div or PhD and THEN you're qualified?

Mac burped? Talks about money too much? Please re-tune your pointy tin foil hat, it is not collecting data at the right frequency. :)

Lynn said...

Speaking of criticising sermons, they can be fascinating to listen to as an outsider. I grew up IFB but am now agnostic. Recently I listened to an IFB preacher of the type I grew up with.

I could plainly see how his various statements or theme was meant to induce guilt or fear. I noticed if he quoted a verse then went off into stories about his life. I wondered-would I be able to outline this sermon? Did he explain the context of the book or chapter?

Some sermons are very good and some are not. But if you step back and analzye them once in awhile, it will benefit you.

Jim said...

Every time I read the title of your post I can't help but smile. The first time I saw it I laughed out loud. Every gardener or farmer knows 10/10/10 is an all purpose fertilizer. You can use it on almost anything and get a positive result. Mac sermon looks like 10/10/10 to me. He's spreading the fertilizer around. Problem is, use too much and it becomes toxic.