At Southern Baptist Theological Seminary this week, Al Mohler moderated a panel discussion on 9/11, in which they touched on the irresponsible statements of Christians like Pat Robertson immediately after the 9/11 attacks. Mohler's panel took several shots at Robertson, but strangely none of them mentioned the nutty statements of Jerry Falwell, who said the following on Pat Robertson's 700 Club on the day of the 9/11 terrorist attacks:"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" Jerry Falwell (click here to listen)
But Falwell was not alone.
As Dee at Wartburg Watch points out this weekend, even Ann Graham Lotz blames the 9/11 terrorist attacks - and even natural disasters - on the judgment of God:
"From Hurricane Katrina to the record breaking floods, forest fires, tornadoes, droughts,and snow storms; to the collapse of major financial institutions,to the economic recession, to the inability to win the war in Afghanistan. The alarm keeps resounding because so many people have not heeded, or even heard, the warning." Anne Graham Lotz, Christianity Today 9/7/11Strange. I thought the gospel was that we are all hopeless sinners, for whom Jesus died to cover our sins and separate us from the penalty of our sins. But when disaster strikes, our religious rock stars come up with a different gospel: despite Jesus taking away the sin of the world and establishing a New Covenant, God has to deliver his stored-up wrath every now and then through terrorist attacks, hurricanes, earthquakes, and tsunamis.
Back in October 2008, from the pulpit of FBC Jacksonville, Mac Brunson blamed 9/11 directly on God's punishment for the disbelief of Christians and all Americans. He said our failure to repent as a nation caused God to "buffet" us, and even spoke for God in the first person, saying "I've been active all this time. I've been active putting into place all these things."
"If [God's] blessings won't get our attention, then maybe buffeting will...what to me was an embarrassing moment in American history was the scandal of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky....and what did we do as a nation? We made jokes about it and we laughed about it and did not repent. Not following far behind that came 9/11 and according to George Barna that had an impact on this nation for approximately 4 to 6 weeks. Then behind that came Katrina, wiped out an entire city. What did we do as a nation?...What did we do? We do NOTHING in the midst of all of it! Nothing! And thousands of people have lost everything, an entire city wiped out. How much louder does the voice of God have to get to America?He preached this on Sunday October 12, 2008 right at the time when many Americans were very fearful of what was happening to our stock market and economy - especially seniors whose retirement income is directly tied to their hard-earned life savings and investments. The message they got from their preacher was not one of hope, but one of fear. In this sermon Mac builds the case that what we see today is from God, and he even starts it all with the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, 9/11, Katrina, all precursors to God causing our economic crash...its all been God, like the evil magician, working to bring calamity on Americans.
We end up in an oil crisis where families can't afford to put $4 a gallon gas in their cars and now in the past week we've had the largest drop on the Wall Street in its 112 year history.... ...You think God hadn't been actively doing something? God says 'I've been active all this time. I've been active putting into place all these things. I've been actively seeing how high I can get gasoline for you Americans. I've been actively seeing how I can cause the economy to crash, because if you will not turn to me in my blessings on you, I will take them away, as Hosea took away the blessings of Gomer. And nobody, the bible says, will be deliver you out of My hands."
Its amazing really, that this sort of thing is now coming forth from the pulpit of First Baptist Jacksonville. To explain that God is causing this calamity and the suffering of innocent people is beyond the pale. It not only gives people the wrong impression of the nature of God, but it strikes fear into the heart of God's people. Using Mac's logic, I suppose we can explain other calamities and suffering, such as children dying everyday from starvation and malaria - is that God's doing to in an attempt to get our attention?
Since this sermon in 2008, Mac has declared several times that our current economic recession is God's judgment for failing to tithe.
"I want to tell you something. You cannot convince me, that a big portion of the economic downturn in this country doesn't rest squarely on the shoulders of Christians who will not honor God with the tithe. When you come to the place in this country where only 2 to 3 percent of the people tithe that call themselves Christian, we should expect the judgment of God." Mac Brunson, 10/10/10Some things never change...men are still using religion to instill fear in the hearts of people, to get them to do what they want them to do.
Perhaps THAT is God's judgment on America.
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Al Mohler's response a few days later.
http://www.albertmohler.com/2011/09/09/truth-telling-in-a-time-of-tragedy-september-11-2001/
Good Post WD,
Thanks
These people are taking many different happenings, lumping them altogether, and saying their God is obviously not happy. Whereas they have no evidence that God is doing anything at all. It reminds me of conspiracy theories.
What if a Muslim got up and said that Allah was not happy with many Muslims and definitely not happy with the infidels. So he's doing all this stuff to get everybody to live more morally (insert appropriate definition of "moral" here.)
So Falwell turns to gay Americans and says, "It's YOUR fault all these people died."
Brunson turns to the non-tithers and says, "It's YOUR fault America's economy is bad."
It just sounds like a very superstitious person talking. Like-"You know why you had that car wreck? You forgot to take your rabbit's foot with you!"
If people could step outside the box of the religion that's been drilled into their heads from birth, they might start to see this stuff differently. And if they don't want to do that, they could at least laugh at these people and stop giving them money.
God cannot be blamed for the acts of sinful mankind. All of this evil comes from mans inhumanity to man. Some desire power and are willing to kill any that stand in their path. Satan is the prince and power of the air so I believe we can place the storms more easily on him. To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not it is sin. God and sin can never co-exist. God doesn't even look on sin. I truly wish people would just read and study their bibles and quit listening to those that use it for whatever agenda they espouse. It rains on the just as well as the unjust. Those that live in Texas would love a lot of rain right now, but unfortunately for them the last storm went up the east coast. The ways of God are not mans way. God desires that man be blessed through His Son and opens the widows of heaven for us daily. Lets stop this nonsense of blaming God for any or all of our troubles. God said that mans days are few and full of trouble. Get it. Lastly, Job summed it up in Job 42:3 "Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge?therefore I have uttered that I understand not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not". God bles the reading of His Word.
No James Brown, to answer your question in the email, Homer Lindsay would not have said that we should expect the judgment of God when most people don't tithe.
You sure must spend a lot of time listening to Mac's sermons so you can find something to complain about. This post is a stretch at best.
I think that anonymous 7:22 summed it up nicely.
Humans sinning and rebelling seem to be doing the job quite nicely without any help from God.
I will say that a quick survey of Scripture does show God punishing nations when Israel is directly involved.
It's all Bush's fault. Everyone knows that!
"I want to tell you something. You cannot convince me, that a big portion of the economic downturn in this country doesn't rest squarely on the shoulders of Christians who will not honor God with the tithe. When you come to the place in this country where only 2 to 3 percent of the people tithe that call themselves Christian, we should expect the judgment of God." Mac Brunson, 10/10/10
This demonstrates a level of biblical ignorance that is astounding.
The SBC and many of its "leaders" are as weak as water.
"I truly wish people would just read and study their bibles"
!! Where do you think all these confusing ideas came from? It's SO confusing that you've got Christians attributing the weather to either God or Satan. They sincerely believe that God communicates things to humans by the weather. If so, what does a Christian weatherman do? Does he say, well, it looks like sunny skies, but who knows, God may send some horror upon us because of our sin?
You've got Christians who attribute all good to God and Christians who attribute everything that happens to God-good or bad. Then you've got Christians who attribute the bad stuff as coming from Satan.
To me, it's all very confusing and leads to nothing but confusion and worry and constantly trying to figure out what the heck God is trying to say. I think this stuff has a detrimental affect on the mental health of Christians and former Christians.
"I want to tell you something. You cannot convince me, that a big portion of the economic downturn in this country doesn't rest squarely on the shoulders of Christians who will not honor God with the tithe. When you come to the place in this country where only 2 to 3 percent of the people tithe that call themselves Christian, we should expect the judgment of God." Mac Brunson, 10/10/10
Does anybody see how this scenario only lives in the mind of this pastor? Can you imagine him saying this exact thing to men on Wall Street in New York City?
Of course he didn't make this idea up out of thin air. In the Bible, God does control the weather. He does punish a nation for disobeying him. He gets their enemies to come take them over, etc. He causes it to rain enough to flood the whole earth and kill everybody and all living things.
Maybe Mac and others should consider whether some of this stuff in the Bible was really true, or whether-as now-it was powerful men trying to explain things to others and frighten them into submission or to get their money.
Off topic, but I'd still be curious as to your take on the GA convention.
http://johnwatersforgbc.wordpress.com/2011/09/10/just-the-facts-gbc-just-the-facts/
Do you know anything to tell us?
This an excellent article by Russell Moore, one I found humbling and convicting: The Gospel at Ground Zero (.pdf)
In the present now, God allows evil to run its course but one day, He will wipe it all away with fire, the LORD Jesus Christ shall return and every eye shall see Him and every tongue shall confess, Jesus Christ is LORD.
We all have our 9/11 to face, death, we all die then the judgment, it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. God is awesome (fearful and dreadful) and holy, holy, holy. Are you ready?
"He causes it to rain enough to flood the whole earth and kill everybody and all living things."
"...kill everybody and all living things."
No He didn't, dear. Study the Bible, that's if you can read it properly. The ESV is a fairly good English translation unless of course you have a Hebrew copy. That would be cool to be able to read it in Hebrew I reckon.
"I thought the gospel was that we are all hopeless sinners, for whom Jesus died to cover our sins and separate us from the penalty of our sins. But when disaster strikes, ..."
WatchDog, you do a good job as a Watch Dog..I appreciate your work.
But, your theology is lame. I'm truly sorry you do not understand this situation and see the Gospel and the wrath of God as irreconcilable. I'm afraid you have spent too much time listening to the Vines and Brunsons of this world
Oh brother. These mega churches will never talk about the real causes of our economic decline, not to mention the real reasons for 911.
If they did they'd lose their tax exempt status'.
Oh brother. These mega churches will never talk about the real causes of our economic decline, not to mention the real reasons for 911.
If they did they'd lose their tax exempt status'.
Everyone should read Candide by Voltaire and we can discuss it next 9/11.
Oh brother. These mega churches will never talk about the real causes of our economic decline, not to mention the real reasons for 911.
Its all about control brother, saver or sinner.
I would not presume to know why bad things happen....but, I remember reading in my Bible of the punishment of God's covenant people when they turned to idolatry. It does give one pause, as the Bible clearly states the catastrophies to come before the Lord returns. I do not take lightly the events that are transpiring, and I tend to think that a country that stands behind the murder of its unborn, will clearly be judged as a nation. I do believe that God gives us ample time to come out of our wickedness and return to Him. Our nation is becoming more and more a secular nation...where sometimes evil is seen as good....We have been so blessed, but God can surely remove His blessings from this country. In His pursuit of us, He can and will use the horrible events to give us eyes that see and ears that hear. He will always make way for His remnant....for those who are truly His.
I am more inclined to believe it is punishment FOR tithing to these charalatans and their business enterprieses that merchandise the Gospel.
All of the speakers admitted that it is "opinion." I really do not see your point here. I think that there is a pretty well established historical cycle of rise, decline, and repentance in the Bible. It is pretty evident the USA is at a point where, if we are not careful, we might enter a period of inevitable decline.
Evidently, many are discarding Christian morals and plain common sense for liberal idiocy. Case in point is this blog.
I'll give you the "opinion" part on Graham Lotz and Falwell. But Brunson was actually preaching a sermon out of the Old Testament, and he was interpreting scripture to mean that what we've endured in the 00's was the judgment of God.
Problem is that your assertion and that of these three and others, is that it doesn't make any sense at all in a broader historical context.
As the WW points out, was the Dust Bowl of the 30's a result of God's punishment? What did we do wrong back then? How about the Great Depression?
There are multiple reasons for the decline of America. None of them have to do with God unleashing his judgment on us.
Hard to believe those that know, teach and preach the Bible make statements that are inconsistent with Scripture. God does not bring judgment on Christians; Romans 8:1. He does discipline in love however. Can we really attribute 911 to God's judgment? If it was God's judgment it was only a slap on the wrist. Rev. makes it clear that God's judgment will be far worst that the events of 911.
"What did we do wrong back then?"
LOL, are you serious?
Grab your dictionary and look up "deist".....you talk just like one. "God wound up this world and walked away, playing no part in happenings day-to-day"
Bad theology is every bit as bad as, if not worse than, bad praxis.
I tend to think you only disagree because its Brunson who said it. There are a lot of different judgments of God upon nations so we would be wise to pay attention to Scriptural admonitions. He might actually be right.
Old Baptist - you didn't answer my question.
What events should we point to prior to the Dust Bowl period that would be the reasons God brought that to our nation?
What a great day at Church today!
Our Pastor told us that 9/11 was our fault.
We have not prayed like we should have and that is why those buildings went down.
It's our lack of obedience that is causing this mess in America and he said things are going to get worse unless we start doing right.
My Pastor knows what he is talking about, he said God told him all of this.
Pastor Brunson is a true Shepherd.
What does Ann have to say about this:
In President George W. Bush’s memoir Decision Points, released November 9, 2010, the former president describes an encounter with evangelist Billy Graham in which Graham told the Bush family that some people are simply “born Christians” while others need a “born-again experience.” During the summer of 1985, George H. W. Bush invited the renowned evangelist to the family retreat home in Kennebunkport, Maine. Following dinner one evening, about 30 members of the Bush family gathered to ask Graham questions. George H. W. Bush asked Graham, “Billy, some people say you have to have a born-again experience to go to heaven. Mother here is the most religious, kind person I know, yet she has had no born-again experience. Will she go to heaven?” Graham’s response: “George, some of us require a born-again experience to understand God, and some of us are born Christians. It sounds as if your mom was just born a Christian” (Decision Points, p. 31).
The problem is that anyone that disagrees with you is wrong. You are the only one capable of determining right and wrong. At least these men had the good sense to specify their words were opinion. I just hope and pray that you and your words are not the standard of God's judgement...otherwise I am in big trouble.
The problem is that anyone that disagrees with you is wrong. You are the only one capable of determining right and wrong. At least these men had the good sense to specify their words were opinion. I just hope and pray that you and your words are not the standard of God's judgement...otherwise I am in big trouble.
I thought that was a rhetorical question. Perhaps you need to ask Brunson, since he has the whispers of God directly into his ear.....
As to my own answer to your question, fwiw, you imply that this was a God-fearing, Christ-centered, worshipful, obedient nation, sans idolatry and open sin...totally without any justification for God showing His displeasure......and I repeat: Are you kidding?
oldBaptist - not inferring anything at all.
I've given three examples of prominent religious leaders who stated that the events of 9/11 were the result of specific sins of America.
Back in the 1930's the gays were still in the closet, we had the 10 commandments posted in schools, teachers had bibles on their desk, and we had prayer in school. We didn't have the NOW gang, and our president back then wasn't having sex with a teenager in the Oval Office.
So what were the specific national sins that brought on the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl? Not rhetorical at all.
So what were the specific national sins that brought on the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl? Not rhetorical at all.
Stupid Pastors.
seems my last comment was a bit inflammatory or got lost in the spam bucket. This time I'll try a simple story
There was a kid at school. He was quite popular; he was good looking and great at sport. One day someone came up behind him and belted him with a metal post - broke his arm. Ouch!
Well, the kid flew into a blind rage. "I'll teach you to mess with me", he screamed. He then ran to where the younger kids were playing and started breaking *their* arms, leaving a train of bloodied crying children behind him. On and on he went, teaching them not to mess with him. After a while he'd broken the arms of 100 or more little kids
Ten years later, he's still feeling sorry for himself and expects everyone to remember with sadness the day he had his arm broken
Nothing good or bad happens in this world without God's authorization[Luke 13:1-5].
So whether God Himself acted or allowed Satan(remember Job)to fulfill His will,the outcome is still the same.
God is intimately,ultimately and totally in control of His creation and creations!
I can buy that. I can't buy that God is actively seeing how he can bring harm to Americans for their sins to try to bring them to repentance through buffeting.
Rev. 3:19 / Hebrews 12:6
"No He didn't, dear. Study the Bible, that's if you can read it properly. The ESV is a fairly good English translation unless of course you have a Hebrew copy. That would be cool to be able to read it in Hebrew I reckon."
Douglas,
Too lazy to look it up at the moment; although, yes, I am able to read-not sure what you mean by "properly." I guess I goofed in that he didn't destroy all the plants? Just the animals, women, men, little boys, little girls, babies, pregnant women? I stand corrected. Thank you, "Dear."
The fact that you can't see it is sad but not shocking. Most men are blind to the truth. God does however actively involve Himself not only in judging sin but in giving sight to the blind....praying for you, WD!
(and, I'm not going to pretend to be able to give you the laundry list of sins you ask for. I did name the types of sin this nation was engaged in during the 30s and continues to engage in today....surely you don't think it matters whether homosexuality is open or hidden?....and I won't even mention the millions "legally" murdered via abortion since 1973 as opposed to those "illegally" murdered the same way in the post WW ! era)
" Can we really attribute 911 to God's judgment?"
I find it strange that Satan is not getting credit for 9/11 from these teachers of the Word.
"Nothing good or bad happens in this world without God's authorization[Luke 13:1-5]."
Yikes! That is a very pedantic exegesis of that passage. That is not the point Jesus is making there.
The permissive will of God is something to consider.
If Billy Graham really said those things to President Bush then he's too old to be talking. What he has reported to have said is heresy.
Pastor Brunson is right, it is all our fault.
We have not prayed, tithed, witnessed, or worshipped like we should have and so God did what He said He would do in Malachi 3.
If my people called by my name will give and serve and pray, then we will be healed.
We are under a curse because of our disobedience.
That is why Katrina hit too.
Anno. 8:06, Billy G. said those things in 1985!
Check this out...Dog will not report on this either.....
in an article entitled Pilgrim’s Progress (in the August 14, 2006 issue of Newsweek) Billy Graham made these rather damning statements on Page 2 and 3 respectively...
"There are many things that I don't understand," he says. He does not believe that Christians need to take every verse of the Bible literally; "sincere Christians," he says, "can disagree about the details of Scripture and theology—absolutely."
"I'm not a literalist in the sense that every single jot and tittle is from the Lord," Graham says. "This is a little difference in my thinking through the years." He has, then, moved from seeing every word of Scripture as literally accurate to believing that parts of the Bible are figurative—a journey that began in 1949, when a friend challenged his belief in inerrancy during a conference in southern California's San Bernardino Mountains.
A Lutheran Looks at Billy Graham, Oct. 10, 1961, p. 12
And Billy said what???
“I do believe that something happens at the baptism of an infant....We cannot fully understand the mysteries of God, but I believe a miracle can happen in these children so that they are regenerated, that is, made Christian, through infant baptism. If you want to call that baptismal regeneration, that’s all right with me”
SAD
Sin and natural law means that there will always be bad things in this life. Sin also means one will always be able to blame God's judgment.
To answer WD's question, in the 1930's abortions were performed at half the current rate, but they still continued. Closeted homosexuality is as bad to God as open homosexuality? The US had already undergone two sexual revolutions, one in the 1890's and the other in the 1920's. Jim Crow and lynchings were on the rise. Eugenics was on the increase. Jesus had not been amended into the US Constitution. Native American children were being sterilized and abused in Catholic Government Schools.
Sin always exists which is why this game is silly to play.
God is intimately,ultimately and totally in control of His creation and creations!
Did he have control of Adam and his sinner.
Before you walk the aisle, Baptists tell you how much God loves you and that you don't have to be "good enough" to be saved.
After you walk the aisle, Baptists tell you how God will punish you if you aren't "good enough" - by tithing, abstaining from alcohol and R movies, and being in church on Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night.
I did misread your comment which preceded my last post and I apologize for that. I read your first sentence as "I can't...." rather than "can" so that messed up my reaction badly. I'd delete the post I made except that the parenthetical part is still valid as a response to your repeated request for specifics. Actually I think we are closer to agreement than it might seem. That "3 prominent" religious figures make ridiculous remarks is nothing new nor is it anything which affects God's truth. That particular group is hardly representative of orthodoxy or even intelligent life.
Yikes! That is a very pedantic exegesis of that passage. That is not the point Jesus is making there.
September 12, 2011 7:45 AM
So I assume that the great flood,the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah.
The 10 plagues upon Egypt.
The dismantling of Jericho.
The great seizure of Israel were the people were reduced to eating their children.
The exile of Isreal by God using Nebuchadnezzar.
Again the exile of Isreal for 70years to to their "DISOBEDIENCE".
The testing of Job by Satan.
The terror that awaits the future world described in the Book of The Revelations.
"Yipes" I just imagine that all happen by chance ya think?
Anon said:
"Did he have control of Adam and his sinner."
September 12, 2011 10:11 AM
He(God)sure had control of the judgment(death)!
He(God)sure had control of the judgment(death)!
Where is The passage.
Brunson's statement about the bad economy doesn't even make sense logically, much less scripturally.
According to Barna, Christians have been giving around 3% to the church for over 75 years. If what Brunson teaches is right, the economy should have been bad (or at least consistent) for 75 years. Why would the economy go from depression to recession to boom when giving has never changed? Not logical.
Scripturally, Israelites gave almost 25% of their food and flocks in tithes not 10%. So even if you did give a full 10%, you would still be under God's curse according to the OT.
It's not logical. It's not scriptural. It's sad that people buy into it just because their pastor says so.
Yikes! That is a very pedantic exegesis of that passage. That is not the point Jesus is making there.
September 12, 2011 7:45 AM
So I assume that the great flood,the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah.
The 10 plagues upon Egypt.
The dismantling of Jericho.
The great seizure of Israel were the people were reduced to eating their children.
The exile of Isreal by God using Nebuchadnezzar.
Again the exile of Isreal for 70years to to their "DISOBEDIENCE".
The testing of Job by Satan.
The terror that awaits the future world described in the Book of The Revelations.
"Yipes" I just imagine that all happen by chance ya think?
September 12, 2011 10:56 AM
So, God is going before us as a cloud in the desert?
God has not changed but the way He relates to us has changed in the NC. Can you say: Holy Spirit indwelling? Living in a fallen world? Be ready.
I suppose you also think Mac is a prophet like Ezekial, too. I suppose God told Mac these bad things happen today because people are not tithing? I am sure you do believe that. Figures. Seriously, how does that make Mac any different than Benny Hinn?
So, for what sin was the man born blind? What did Jesus say?
I believe that God is sovereign in all things 100%. If he was even .0001% not sovereign, then we would not really be able to trust anything he said, because it might be that something that fell in the .0001%.
There isn't anything that happens in this world that does not cross his proverbial desk. Nothing surprises him. All these happenings, whether they are directly from God or He is permitting them, does it even really matter? What are you going to tell a sovereign God?
I agree with the other poster that said that you have made a good watch dog, but you are increasingly digging for stuff to be discontent about (french cuffs) and your theology needs some work. You mention in your article your distaste for the idea that God is causing the suffering of innocent people. Watchdog, there are none innocent. Men, women, children, none are innocent.
Anon said:
Try reading Genesis chapter 3.
It's in the Bible.
You do know what the Bible is don't you?
Why do you think our sovereign God allowed the attacks on 9 11 to happen? It seems you know why he didn't so I think you ought to know why he did.
Pastor Falwell should have never apologized for his comments. They
were completely on the mark. The only thing he should have added was that first in line was America's allowing our government to stick their finger in the apple of his eye -- Israel
Are you a follower of Jesus Christ?
Or have you stepped out of line?
i have followed you for a long time and it is starting to look like you are beginning to act like Brunson in your unbiblical actions and thoughts.
Paul would have said the exact same thing that Jerry Falwell said.
Only maybe a little more blount.
You do know what the Bible is don't you?
I do and will seek the truth in Genesis. It would be nice to have some one teach the truth for once. I guess that takes commitment. It seems each for their own these days, is that the way is works in church.
I would like to ask people what they think God's sovereignty means. I think there is a ton of misunderstanding how that plays out.
Evil people flew those planes.
"What a great day at Church today!
Our Pastor told us that 9/11 was our fault."
I thought you got rid of the TROLLS! This guy obviously was not in the service at FBCJ on 9/11/11.
LAY OFF THE FUNNY CIGARETTES TROLL!!!
"That is why Katrina hit too."
Katrina was George Bush's fault. Ask any democrat in New Orleans.
"I can't buy that God is actively seeing how he can bring harm to Americans for their sins to try to bring them to repentance through buffeting."
I don't get the impression you believe the same about Brunson and his dealings and statements about you.
"There isn't anything that happens in this world that does not cross his proverbial desk. Nothing surprises him. All these happenings, whether they are directly from God or He is permitting them, does it even really matter? What are you going to tell a sovereign God?"
This is silly. This is not what they mean when they speak of God's Soveriegnty. The question is: would God allow bad things to happen if we are totally obedient.
The answer in Luke 13 is yes because we live in a fallen world. LIke the man born blind. Bad things happen and people are to see a great God in the way God's people respond.
Mac sounds like Benny Hinn.
"Mac sounds like Benny Hinn."
At least Mac is not a womanizer and divorced his wife!
The Wartburg Watch > John Piper, Al Mohler and Others Respond to 9/11 and Other Disasters
The Bible tells us that down here on earth we see through a glass darkly, however in heaven we will see things face to face. No one knows it all. We walk in faith with the assurance that life has meaning and that we are our brother's keeper. Unfortunatley, Cain was not up to the standard. Men have been falling for anything and everything ever since. The problem is that most pastors have no Bible. Yes, they may believe in the originals (which they never have seen) or some Greek text (over 20 of them). Like one former pastor now deceased said a long time ago there are absolutes. We are much smarter now with intelligence and seminary training that we have forgotten the basics by insisting on three points and a poem or the latest book to hit the shelf. How many angels can stand of the end of a needle? Lets get back to witnessing and proclaiming the gospel correctly. The world is spinning spiritually out of control and todays pastors are adding to the tragedy. There are some good ones out there but really we are all accounted as pastors. To some people out there in the work place, the schools, or to our neighbors we are the only pastor they have contact. Don't give them a short rope. You must be born again!!!!
Dear Watchdog,
Please think out your arguments carefully and slowly. Actually it is God's judgment but you are swallowing a strawman argument to defend the propostion that you are correct in your own assumptions as well. Ever thought God's judgement in light of those who represent God? As a result I believe you are sort of half right and half wrong. Judgement begins with the house of God.
There has always been some aspect of protection. In reading some recent literature on prophecy, I am becoming less and less a pretribber and also more Messianic Judaic in interpretation. For example, the 24 elders in Israel times with the Levites were a picture of things in heaven.
You are a complete idiot.
We are in what is the Abandonment Wrath in which there are several stages of Wrath.
Every Nation in which God has abandon them to their own desires has fallen apart usually from an invasion or from within.
America is being destroyed from within and we don't even need any help from an enemy invading us though maybe that will be a good thing as it will shake up people like you who continue to cover their ears and go "La la la la" hoping next year will be like the 1980s again.
Guess what? IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN!!! THE 1980S GLORIOUS DECADE WAS BASED ON CREDIT CARD SPENDING AND WAS ARTIFICIAL TO BEGIN WITH!
WE ARE NOW REAPING WE WE ARE SOWING!
BANKS WERE FORCED TO GIVE LOANS TO THOSE WHO CANNOT AFFORD PAYMENTS MAKING BANKS GO BROKE!!!
WOULD YOU DONATE MONEY TO SOMEONE WHO WILL JUST KEEP TAKING MORE AND MORE WITHOUT GIVING ANYTHING BACK?
I have also figured out this is a disinformation blog so Christians go somewhere else unless you like being spied on!
If you ever dare to stand up to government research projects these posts will be used against you for *preaching* out.
This is a forefront by China to spy on you so they will know how to go after when marital law is ever declared and our rights are suspended.
If the Communist/Marxist agents were to go after people directly right now and break doors down to grab guns and you're bibles too many folks with video cams and security cameras both commercial and private would make the raids go viral on video hosting sites.
They would be exposed so fast their heads would spin!
As of know cops have been caught on camera physically beating on suspects that don't resist on a simple traffic stop simply because they refused to have their car searched.
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