Matthew 7:15 (NIV) “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Matthew 24:11: (NIV) “…and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.”

2 Timothy 2:23 - 25 (NIV) - 23Again I say, don’t get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights. 24 A servant of the Lord must not quarrel but must be kind to everyone, be able to teach, and be patient with difficult people. 25 Gently instruct those who oppose the truth. Perhaps God will change those people’s hearts, and they will learn the truth.

Wednesday, February 13, 2013

18 Ways God (or Your Pastor) Has Changed Tithing

One of the arguments made by preachers who try to convince you that the "tithe" of 10% of your gross income is a Christian requirement, comes from their favorite tithing passage in the Old Testament, Malachi Chapter 3:
I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.  Ever since the time of your ancestors you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says the Lord Almighty." (Malachi 3:6, 7)
Then of course the pastor will explain that immediately after these verses God tells Malachi that people are robbing him (actually, God tells Malachi that the religious men of his day are robbing him, but that is another story) by not "bringing the tithe" to the "storehouse" - and that YOU, Christian, must also bring your tithe - 10% of your gross income to the church (today's "storehouse"). And then if you choose not to, God will poke holes in your purse, will cause your kids to turn out bad, and God will bring calamity to your family like job loss, wrecked cars, and God will actually "blow it all away" - that is the money that you did not tithe that was rightfully God's. Some say God might even kill you like he did Ananias and Sapphira. Oh, and if you don't tithe, you're helping to spread homosexuality.

So God does not change, thus the requirement to tithe is still in place, and thus preachers go to the most ridiculous and manipulative lengths to hang the burden and guilt of tithing around the necks of their members to keep church revenue up.

A friend here in Jacksonville who maintains the "Tithing.com" website, posted a masterful article yesterday on 18 ways the tithe HAS changed - either how God himself changed it within the Old Testament or between the Old and New Convenants - OR just ways that your pastor has decided to change the tithe to try to convince you to give 10% of your income to his church.

Read the article here to read about the 18 ways the tithe HAS changed. This is one of the best tithing articles I've read in years

I wanted to highlight and comment on a few of the 18 ways either God has changed the tithe, or preachers have decided to change it to "help" God:



The newest argument amongst the tithe-pushing preachers is the concept of "first fruits" - that the Old Testament teaches that God expects your FIRST and BEST - and thus your FIRST 10% of your income goes straight to the church. 


Yep, year after year, we must give. If the preachers believe the bible word for word, and they put the tithe on Christians, why are they not strictly adhering to what God said the tithe was and how often it is given? On what basis to preachers ignore the details of what God says in the bible regarding the tithe? Are they above God and can change God's standard for this tithe? [answer: apparently, yes].



The new, aggressive, "first fruits" tithing doctrine coming out of pulpits today contributes to the decline of people's church attendance drives people from their Christian faith: when they wake up to the fact that what the preacher is pushing as biblical truth concerning finances is not in the bible, and it is actually to their family's detriment - and pastor's use manipulative techniques to boot. The preacher's want you to put your tithe above your daughter's wedding, above your children's education, above the well-being of your family.

Make no mistake - to try to convince a church member through false teachings and manipulation that they MUST give 10% of their income to obtain the blessings of God and avoid the cursings of God is to convince a person that religion and institutions and religious holy men come before one's spouse and family - and that is about as anti-family as it gets.

63 comments:

Anonymous said...

SNAP!
A new story TROLL!

Your prophecies are wrong again.
At least you are consistent.

100% wrong 100% of the time.

Anonymous said...

Knock it and lie about it but I tell you from my personal experience: TITHING WORKS!

One Man said to Peter Marshall once..., "I didn't have any problems tithing, preacher, when I was making 50 thousand dollars a year, I mean there was no problem, I was making 50 thousand dollars. But now that I'm making half a million dollars , I'm having a real problem tithing. Dr. Marshall said "I see you're having a real problem, but let's pray about it." They bowed their heads and he said, "Lord, this man has a problem with his tithing. He didn't have a problem tithing on his $50,000 but now he's making $500,000 a year, he finds it hard to tithe. Lord, will you reduce his salary back down to $50,000 so he can tithe." The guy stopped him and said that's not what I meant. Now how many of you know that God can do that. He has a ways and means committee. If you can't tithe on $400, can you tithe on $300? He can drop it down. Can you tithe on 200? You see, when God gives you responsibility, it brings a relationship level that wasn't there before. If you tithe the paper route, you can tithe when you own the paper company. Its a relational responsibility. Luke 16, I just gave it to you a minute ago. God said," can I trust you with money? " Sure God, you can trust me. "Well good, now I can give you more ." But He starts when we realize it's a holy, sacred thing. So tithing brings a believer to a relational level of responsibility as a manager or steward over what belongs to somebody else. If God can trust you with money, He can trust you with Eternal matters.



Anonymous said...

Just a reminder. For those of us who knew both Dr. Lindsay's, and their preaching and teaching of the gospel we are truly blessed. Dr. Lindsay Jr passed on this day in the year 2000. The period 1940-2000 were the years they preached the gospel message. Jacksonville was blessed to have had these men in their day for their Godly wisdom.

Anonymous said...

"Knock it and lie about it but I tell you from my personal experience: TITHING WORKS!"

This is ignorance gone to seed.
Putting personal experience over what scripture teaches is what Mormons do not what Christians are taught.

This kind of idiocy is why Christians are marginalized in today's culture.

Anonymous said...

Feb. 13, 2013 @ 3:36 PM - "Knock it and lie about it but I tell you from my personal experience: TITHING WORKS! "

Your "PERSONAL EXPERIENCE," is simply that: YOUR own personal experience; NOTHING MORE! Mine, YOUR'S, or anyone else's for that matter, is not the litmus test of truth! Especially not the truth - as witnessed in the scriptures. Rather than trusting YOUR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE...Study to show yourself approved (dokimos - G1384) unto God...rightly dividing (orthotomeo - G3718) the word of truth. Also, (anakrino - G350)- investigate, examine, enquire into, scrutinise, sift, question the word of God, like unto those believers at Berea (Acts 17:11); and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth unto you concerning GIVING by faith!
I tell you from my personal experience: FAITH WORKS!
Grace & Peace - Elder gab

WishIhadknown said...

Which is the most definitive and important, a preacher story about Peter Marshall or what the Word of God says?
Where in the Bible does God say he trusts us?
Where in the Bible does God say he trusts us according to our tithing?

Tithing works because men use it to judge who is fit and unfit for leadership positions in the church which leads to better networking opportunities which leads to more business.

Anonymous said...

http://i.imgur.com/ATwh2BR.jpg

Anonymous said...

Here's a clickable version of the imgur link above

Picture of "Non-Tithers Board" in a church

Victorious said...

Anonymous 10:31

The Peter Marshall story is nice, but it's just that...a story with no scriptural support.

Anonymous said...

I tell you from my personal experience: NON-TITHING WORKS!

Read and study your bibles YOURSELF, and NEVER trust what others, especially "preachers" say to you. Tithing is one of the biggest lies in all of Christendom, and GOD'S word is very clear as to what HE requires of us.

Anonymous said...

"Which is the most definitive and important, a preacher story about Peter Marshall or what the Word of God says?"

The word of MAN is more authoritative than the word of GOD in the eyes of the False-Prophet FBCJAX TROLL.

He prefers a good yarn to a Biblical precept that requires discernment and rational thought.

That's why he is consistently wrong on every topic posted on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Man worshiping TROLL.
Yawn.

jared said...

Thanks for the link to my post. I have to admit, when i began writing the article, i thought i was going to stop at 5 or 6. But as i kept writing and kept thinking, more just kept coming. Ignorance is amazing when it comes to the subject of $$. Their dependence on this puny, pathetic little rule called tithing is astounding.

- jared (www.tithing.com)

LHR said...

Paul wrote the Corinthians "Give in proportion to what you have. Whatever you give is acceptable if you give it eagerly. And give according to what you have, not what you don’t have.... You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. 'For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.'"

If you choose to give 5%, 10% or whatever % because you want to, not because others insist you are required to do so, God will bless your giving. God lets you decide what % to give in your own heart. But God's blessing on whatever percent you give does not prove that percent is the only one God approves of and thus requires of all to do. Your giving is between you and God. Remember Jesus said to give in secret and God will you reward openly.

Anonymous said...

I do not recall one time any of the other 11 disciples having Judas draw out of the purse 10% for a tithe. Also, Jesus never mentioned it either. Follow works if you believe in them. "As a man thinketh so is he". Just do not tell anyone else they are required to tithe!!!

Anonymous said...

SBC Voices has a pretty good article on tithing by someone named Dave Miller.

http://sbcvoices.com/the-new-testament-standard-of-giving/

Anonymous said...

NEW TESTAMENT. Any non tithers wish to comment? What does the last few words mean? "'and not to leave the other undone."


King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Buronic said...

You are not cursed if you don't tithe, only those who want to build an empire talk about tithing and the yes men who brown nose the pastor look at acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment....and of course there are those who say well God started the tithe with Abraham...uh duh!? he GAVE!!!! a tenth of the spoils of war and nothing from his own stash...don't type and shadow for there is no secret interpretation..infact if you call people cursed for not tithing then you are the one whom God will curse. Billy Joe Dauherty used to spout the curse crap and now he is dead!!! I used to hear statements from people saying if some one had a need to go ahead and give your tithe and believe God for that person to have his need met..such hypocracy...

Anonymous said...

Wow! Looks like all of God's people are knocking the extortion of mandatory tithing. Seems as if the reformation has picked up again. Here is a guy just north of you WD saying the same things:

www.thebreadoflifefellowship.com

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
NEW TESTAMENT. Any non tithers wish to comment? What does the last few words mean? "'and not to leave the other undone."

Jesus had not gone to the cross yet. They were still under the law, and it was proper for them to tithe. But now there is no livitical priesthood to tithe too, no temple to store it in, and therefore it is nonbinding on the believer.

Anonymous said...

NEW TESTAMENT. Any non tithers wish to comment? What does the last few words mean? "'and not to leave the other undone."

Wow! Are you a spin doctor or what? The last few words do not stand apart from the first few words: "Woe unto YOU, (SCRIBES & PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES!)....

"YOU" obviously is directed at the "SCRIBES & PHARISEES," whom Jesus calls "HYPOCRITES."
Also, these are more than likely JEWS; who at that time, were under OBLIGATION (if they were FARMERS or CATTLEMEN) to bring their tithes to the LEVITES; in accordance with the LAW.

Now my question to YOU is this: "Are YOU a SCRIBE, a PHARISEE, or a HYPOCRITE?
You cannot pick & choose which parts of the LAW you will do, and leave the others undone!

Gal.3:10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under the CURSE: for it is written, CURSED is everyone that continuity not in ALL things which are written in the book of the Law TO DO THEM.

James 2:10 For WHOSOEVER shall keep the WHOLE Law, and yet OFFEND in ONE POINT, he is GUILTY OF ALL.

Grace & Peace - Elder gab

Anonymous said...

Would someone please answer me these two question. (1) Is it right for someone to consistantly attend a church and consume what the church offers without supporting it financially? (2)Since tithing is apparently unscriptural; what is the proper way for a church to raise operating and ministry expenses?

Thy Peace said...

WD already covered Wade Burleson's sermon on Giving ...

Christian, Jesus is Your Jubilee, and You Can Rest - Part 1

Christian, You Have Been Released from Servitude to God - Part 2

Christian, You are Free, a Willing Bond Slave

Christian, You are Free from the Duty to Tithe, and Free to Give as the Holy Spirit Leads You

Anonymous said...

You sound like a broken record. We get the point and agree tithing isn't for the NT church. Write on something else for a change.

MindQuest311 said...

"Would someone please answer me these two question. (1) Is it right for someone to consistantly attend a church and consume what the church offers without supporting it financially? (2)Since tithing is apparently unscriptural; what is the proper way for a church to raise operating and ministry expenses?"

I will answer your questions. First off, your questions reveal your faulty understanding of what the Church actually is. The Church is not for "consumption". It's not a product you are putting out there for people to come and "consume". Just thinking in those terms reveals how far off base we've gotten since the early church. The "church" is simply a gathering of saints for the purpose of exalting Christ, edifying one another, and sharing the Lord together as His Body. The early church did this in homes and public spaces without any overhead and expenses. Thus the undeniable reason that they didn't require tithes to sustain themselves. The Lord does not teach us that we have to pay our financial dues in order to participate in fellowship with Him or other believers. Fellowship, worship, communion is not a product to consume. It's our spiritual birthright having been born of the Father. Christ paid all our debts to God on the cross. The Father's children are free from all debts. It's all been paid. Furthermore, Jesus himself stated that the King's children and family are exempt from pay "taxes" or "dues". (Matthew 17:26) It's those outside of the King's family that pay these dues. So are you a child of God or not? If you are, you are exempt from religious taxes and dues (tithes). We are to give freely, generously, and sacrificially as the Spirit leads. Those who say that God blesses them because they tithe are confused. He doesn't bless you because you tithe. He blesses you because you give. Because you sow. And you reap what you sow, period. It's not tithing God blesses. First he blesses because you are in Christ and you've been given every spiritual blessing in Christ. Second he blesses because you give.

Your second question is similar to your first. It's based on a wrong understanding of how the church is supposed to function. But even so, Jesus is the one who advances and grows His Body. He is the Head. If God is in control, he will take care of it and provide for it. The Church isn't some lifeless organization that exists on a piece of paper. It's the living breathing body of our Lord and he is perfectly capable of growing it, raising it, maturing it, and sustaining it. It's when we make church into something that it's not that we have to come up with gimmicks and sales pitches and investment plans and take out loans, and pay tithes, and beg and plead for financial help to keep up with all the unnecessary overhead we've created that was completely unheard of in NT church practice and life.

So, I recommend you go back to the basics if you are ever going to know God's heart regarding these matters. Study what the Church actually is. Look at the NT model of church life. Have an open heart to re-examine these issues because from the way you asked your questions it reveals a deep rooted misunderstanding of all these foundational concepts regarding NT church life and practice, the new covenant, the law of Christ, giving, and on and on.

Darla Long said...

Amen Elder Gab! You pointed out two important scriptures. Gal. 3:10 & James 2:10. I don't understand how Christians can ignore this. Tithing IS part of the old law, and those who wish to follow it should also sacrifice bulls an goats again. After all, that's part of the old law as well. Jesus has become of no affect to all those who wish to operate under that law. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. John 1:17

WishIhadknown said...

Are you so na├»ve as to believe the Pharisees were actually tithing? Jesus knew better that’s why he calls them hypocrites. Do you believe that human nature is any different then as it was in Malachi’s day or today? Just like today and in Malachi’s time the Pharisees made a show out of tithing mint and anise and cummin. Things that actually cost them nothing but gave the appearance of great spiritual commitment but I can guarantee you one thing, they were not bring the whole tithe into the storehouse any more than most of the people who claimed to be tithing did in Malachi’s day or today.

Give a tenth if God has directed you to and be cheerful about it but do not condemn others if God directs them to do differently.

Your choice today is; are you going to believe the Word of God or what man teaches?

WishIhadknown said...

"Would someone please answer me these two question. (1) Is it right for someone to consistantly attend a church and consume what the church offers without supporting it financially? (2)Since tithing is apparently unscriptural; what is the proper way for a church to raise operating and ministry expenses?"

Answer to 1, yes.
Answer to 2, faith.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mindquest311,

Your response made me laugh. The truth is, people who attend worship services are consumers. In the wintertime we consume heat that cost money to generate. We consume lighting and videos and music which all cost money. We consume the talents of others such as musicians, Pastors and nursery workers.
My point is simple. If you are not willing to help pay for those things then don't attend a church that offers those things, and stop complaining about those of us who choose to support the mission and ministry of our church through tithes and offerings.

Your response stated that the early church was able to meet without any overhead or expense. If you really believe this, Sir or Madam, then I suggest that you READ your Bible.

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Actually, I agree with the troll.

It makes more of an argument that a person should give as a consumer, than because God says give 10%.

MindQuest311 said...

Anonymous: My response made you laugh? That's interesting and might reveal something in your heart, but I'm not one to judge your heart. You are simply misguided in your understanding of the church. My statement on the overhead of the early church is 100% accurate and I challenge you to quote me an example from scripture to prove otherwise. Note that I'm not saying they didn't need finances for ministry, feeding the poor, widows, etc. They did need resources for these things and received those resources through free will offerings. The overhead I'm talking about is from church buildings, maintenance, staff, utilities, etc. The early church met in public spaces that were free to use. They met mostly in homes and at other times in the public areas of the temple or the synagogue. Again, if you think this is comical, please quote us a scripture to prove otherwise. The early church used it's resources for the ministry. What was ministry? It was feeding the poor, taking care of widows and orphans, sending love offerings to other poor believers, etc. You can find this throughout the epistles. What you won't find is even one mention of a building that they had to keep u, maintenance bills, staff to pay, etc. The burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

I don't think your response is funny at all. I think it's heartbreaking that you've become so blinded to the truth regarding our Lord's Body, the Church. It's not a product. If it's something you consume, then you've made it an idol and a product to be handled by human means. You have stripped the Body of Christ to shreds and made it nothing more than a religious organization that produces a religious product for others to come and purchase. I pray your eyes are opened to the truth. We are His Bride. His Body. His Family. We are not consumers. We are partakers of His divine life. It's human tradition and human weakness that has made it something it's not. But the scriptures speak of something completely different that I pray one day you will be able to see.

Thy Peace said...

Somewhat Off Topic, but also related to tithing ...

R.L.Stollar > Applebee’s Overnight Social Media Meltdown: A Photo Essay

h/t: Julie Anne Smith Tweet

After her dinner on Jan. 25, Pastor Alois Bell crossed out the automatic 18 percent tip charged for parties of more than eight. “I give God 10% why do you get 18,” she wrote above her signature.

Actually all the tithes given do NOT go to God, but to Men (Pastor's salaries, buildings, guest speakers and so on).

Anonymous said...

Watchdog,
I am confused. I have never been called Troll before. Does the fact that I choose to support my church financially make me a troll? If so, then I shall consider it a badge of honor. By the way, I also choose to pay for my meals and leave a generous tip when I dine out. I pay for all of the merchandise that I take from stores. I do not cheat on my taxes and I do not take government handouts at the expense of taxpayers, and I will not worship at a church, that obviously costs money to operate, and expect someone else to pay my fair share.

Not too long ago a person such as myself would be called a Gentleman. My Goodness how times have changed!

Anonymous said...

"Your response stated that the early church was able to meet without any overhead or expense. If you really believe this, Sir or Madam, then I suggest that you READ your Bible."

Good example of eisegesis. Reading your own 21st century values (greed and consumerism) into what the Bible teaches about worship.

The first century church was given as an example by Christ's disciples to follow.

How many times did the first century church criticize church members for "consuming" and not tithing?

What gimmicks and tricks did they use to raise attendance?

What expensive high tech equipment did they employ?

How many leaders were living an extravagant life-style?

Try interpreting in context.

Anonymous said...

"Your response made me laugh."

That's because your theology is a joke.

Anonymous said...

The FBCJAX TROLL is a miracle.

How can you take the unBiblical position on every issue and still claim to be a Christian?

Anonymous said...

I don't believe Jesus ever discussed the "tithe" being applicable to the church, however He did tell His disciples to journey in all the world and preach the gospel and not be concerned with money. He also taught them if they did not own a sword to sell their garment and buy one Luke 22:36. This is real important more so now than then!

FBC Jax Watchdog said...

Sorry, I mistook you for the troll, my apologies...

Anonymous said...

"Sorry, I mistook you for the troll, my apologies..."

I can see how you made that mistake.
Same bad logic and faulty interpretation.

Anonymous said...

"By the way, I also choose to pay for my meals and leave a generous tip when I dine out. I pay for all of the merchandise that I take from stores. I do not cheat on my taxes and I do not take government handouts at the expense of taxpayers, and I will not worship at a church, that obviously costs money to operate, and expect someone else to pay my fair share."

Chuck Swindoll calls this "Yuppie Theology."

Imposing 21st century consumerism onto the Bride of Christ and then trying to "Christinize" it.

No wonder people are leaving in droves.

Anonymous said...

Watchdog,
Appology accepted:)
Anon. 2:59 - I am not advocating that any of the things you mentioned are appropriate. What I am saying is this; if you choose to go to a church that uses gimmicks, tricks and high tech equipment etc.. Then "man up" and help pay for it, otherwise, go somewhere else and find a church that better reflects your theology.

Anonymous said...

I am confused. I have never been called Troll before. Does the fact that I choose to support my church financially make me a troll? If so, then I shall consider it a badge of honor. By the way, I also choose to pay for my meals and leave a generous tip when I dine out. I pay for all of the merchandise that I take from stores. I do not cheat on my taxes and I do not take government handouts at the expense of taxpayers, and I will not worship at a church, that obviously costs money to operate, and expect someone else to pay my fair share.

Wow!!! You sound like, "Lord. I thank thee, that I am not like other men. Nontithers, thieves. I tithe all that I have, etc"

Are you kin to that Pharasee Jesus told the parable about?

MindQuest311 said...

"That's because your theology is a joke."

You're all laughs and zero biblical support. Please let us all know when you can provide scriptural support for your theory.

Anonymous said...

Sadly, like this hybrid politcal dogma that comes out of DC that combines a philosophy of stimulus packages to corporations and strange mandatory welfare which makes people out of work more broke, this adds to it. So how to ministers fight back like Brunson they say "well it is people not tithing." Russell Kelly has written a great book in explaining tithing as under the Old Testament and as to why it is so misapplied. The early church ministers left their wealth for study in the read and a meager life in that pursuit. The cost of seminaries nowdays can leave many broke to back into the workplace to support their families while the others insist on tithes to pay their expenses (now mind you some don't) but some the most responsible have to work for awhile. Materialism have gripped to many people in this country.

Anonymous said...

All of you are wrong.....Give all and come and follow Me...Jesus!

Anonymous said...

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"The Jews were constrained to a regular payment of tithes; Christians, who have liberty, assign all their possessions to the Lord." Irenaeus

WishIhadknown said...

So I guess instead of “who so ever will may come,” it’s “who so ever will tithe and or at least pay their way may come.”

Anonymous said...

Thank-you Jax Watchdog for being one voice of reason and logic in a sea of self indulged and bullying pastors. I live in Jacksonville Beach myself and have had the pleasure of attending 2, yes 2 mega-churches right here in Jax. They both were ruthless in their pursuit of money. When doing some research I found that the pastor for the larger of the churches did in fact live in a half a million dollar house, by the yacht club. The pastor for the smaller of the mega churches did like to take nice vacations. My family does not have enough money to take a vacation ever. We cannot afford to live these types of lifestyles. We were brow beaten most Sunday's to give not only 10% of our wages (that of course is pre-taxed), but we were also told that we needed to give on top of that and then once more on top of that. You see the 10% was the reqirement of God. Giving on top of that was better and giving till it "hurt" put you totally right with God. Yes, giving till it hurt is the term they like to use. Kind of comical to hear your pastor saying give till it hurts right after he tells you about his family of 4's trip to Disney Land. Well I can happily say I no longer attend either church. Our family did find a nice small community church that doesn't beg for money and seems to be doing more work within our own community than either of the mega-churches did. These crooks have not robbed me of my faith, but I can see that this robbing people of their faith could be a logical outcome. It is extremely disheartening to be treated like garbage Sunday after Sunday by these types of men. But the love of money is the root of all evil now isn't it?

Anonymous said...

Mac Brunson needs to quit referring to First Baptist as "my church". Mac is an employee of the church not the owner.

Mark said...

The Catholic Church doesn't teach 10% tithing.

Ivy said...

I am amazed that some people (are these people pastors or in ministry?) get upset when tithing is questioned. Why? I would think spiritual leaders would graciously address the issues with scripture and/or logic. However, that does not seem to be the case. I remember my pastor (and Dave Ramsey, for that matter) saying God tells us to give 10% and yet when you look at the scripture closely it does not really say that.

I am curious about the Anonymous that said "knock it and lie about it": Could you explain how a lie was told about tithing, please?

Anonymous said...

Millions of us tithe because we want to, not because the Pastor guilts us into tithing.

Watchdog, you have already disclosed that you do not tithe.

Usually what we are obsessed with is what we feel guilt about.

I dare you to tithe for 90 days.
If you don't get a blessing, however you define a blessing, I will personally give you your money back.

Answer this simple question:
Have you ever tithed Tom?

If not, why not try it and let's see what God will do.

God did say test me....right???

Anonymous said...

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” (Matthew 23:23)

Today Jesus might say something like this, “Don’t be unjust and merciless towards other human beings. Be kind, fair and truthful. Pay your tithes and pay them on time. Your Pastor needs your financial support to do what I’m telling him to do. He can’t seek and save the lost, destroy the works of Satan and break the back of poverty within this congregation and out in the world if you don’t obey Me. So pay your tithes faithfully, not sporadically. Also, don’t lord it over your Pastor when you do. Give it with simplicity. That way My Father can wrap this whole thing up more quickly and get you all home to Heaven in a timely manner.”

Jesus is big on paying tithes, real big. As a matter of fact, tithing is an idea that came right out of His mind.

“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:” (Colossians 1:16)

Anonymous said...

"You're all laughs and zero biblical support. Please let us all know when you can provide scriptural support for your theory."

Not a theory.
It's axiomatic.

Anonymous said...

"if you choose to go to a church that uses gimmicks, tricks and high tech equipment etc.."

Where is your scriptural support for that TROLL?

Anonymous said...

Here is our daily debunking of the FBCJAX False Prophet TROLL:

"Millions of us tithe because we want to, not because the Pastor guilts us into tithing."

You are only qualified to speak for yourself TROLL. Since the NT teaches grace giving and not OT legalistic tithing, you are obviously tithing because the pastor (who you worship in place of God) guilted you into it. Not because of study from the scriptures.

"Watchdog, you have already disclosed that you do not tithe."

And there it is. The holier than thou judging of the non-biblical tither. Can you say legalism?

"Usually what we are obsessed with is what we feel guilt about."

In that case you must feel guilt about this blog. Because you are certainly obsessed with it.

"I dare you to tithe for 90 days.
If you don't get a blessing, however you define a blessing, I will personally give you your money back."

When you say tithe, do you mean 10% or 23 1/3% like they gave in the OT? Since "blessing" has no definition, it is meaningless. Please state your name, address and phone number so that we can file our claim.

"Answer this simple question:
Have you ever tithed Tom?"

Answer this simple question: do you have a working mind TROLL?

"If not, why not try it and let's see what God will do."

If so, try using it TROLL and you won't be so easily mislead by unbiblical legalistic teaching.

"God did say test me....right???"

How about testing grace giving - which is what is taught in the NT. It always takes more faith to trust in the words of God over the words of men.

Anonymous said...

I tithed for 90 days (last 3 months of last year). I did not receive a blessing.

Anonymous - please leave your name and phone number in the comments section so that I can contact you.

You promised to pay me back if I tithed for 90 days and did not receive a blessing.

I prefer tens and twenties.

TheQuest311 said...

"I dare you to tithe for 90 days.
If you don't get a blessing, however you define a blessing, I will personally give you your money back"

I tithed for almost 25 years until the Lord himself led me into the truth regarding true spirit led giving rather than OT law observance. Guess what happened. The Lord began to bless me more than I had ever experienced in my entire life.

The reason God blesses many tithers is because they are genuinely giving to the Lord. The Lord honors that obedience and the heart behind it even though the theology behind it may be off. You reap what you sow, period. God honors giving, not tithing. I know many tithers who cannot pay their bills and have never overcome their financial struggles. Tithing does not work the same for everyone. There was a legitimate reason that God did not require the poor to tithe in the Old Testament. He always seeks to alleviate the burden of the poor, not pile more of it on them. Funny how those who teach and practice tithing today do just the opposite by telling the poor that they are poor because they don't tithe. Not even the OT law required this and it perverts the burden-lifting nature of our Lord.

WishIhadknown said...

"I dare you to tithe for 90 days."

Deut. 6:16 Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah.

Anonymous said...


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carrierwave said...

God loveth a "cheerful giver". And "not of nessecity" (Greek "arm twisting") 2Cor. 9:7. What do "tithemasters" not understand about the CROSS? The "Mosaic ordinances" were "blotted out", put to "DEATH",being NAILED to the Cross in Christ's pure sinless body--those tithing ordinances were--"against us", "contrary to us" and Jesus "took them out of the way". Col. 2:14-15 and Eph. 2:15. Any 'pastor' or teacher demanding a "tithe" are in essence, pulling the nails from the hands of Jesus and ressurecting a 'curse' upon God's redeemed people. Woe to you pastors.

Barbara Netherland said...

THe tithing doctrine that these men teach are just to make them rich. They are the ones robbing YOU. You are not robbing God. THey are the ones cursing you for not tithing. God is not cursing you. You need to read the Bible for yourself. Besides, tithing was food, not money,and in the Old Testament there was more than one tithe. Also, we are not under the old Testament law anymore, but these robbing preachers like to pick and choose out of the law of the Old Testament. No man can keep the whole law of the Old Testament, that is why he sent his son, to die for our sins. The New Testament says we are to give as we have been prospered to give, not grudgingly, or necessisty. God loves a cheerful giver. Don't let a prosperity preacher take away from you what God has blessed you with. Give to the orphans, widows, needy, etc.

Anonymous said...

What pastors are not telling the Church (the bride/sons/ ambassadors /advocate of the word/children) is the reason Christ had in choosing the twelve disciples ( under new covenant in Grace ) and opted not to use the Levite Priests ( in old covenant under law) that were well established and placed had they to be chosen preach to the world. LET PASTORS , BISHOPS AND PRIESTS HONESTLY PURGE THEIR HEARTS AND SPEAK THE TRUTH ON TITHES. CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW IN THE OLD COVENANT. The intrigue of doctrinal falsehood on tithes smartly engineered and flamboyantly taught by them worldwide cannot be justified or be cleansed by their religious social status. Christians should not be for entertainments but for truth preached and taught which is not in contest in numerical strength for acceptance. It quite clear from the Bible that there is no perfection and justification under works of the law. Galatians 2:16- 21, Galatians 3:8-13,Galatians 4;4-5,Galatians 5:1,18. Hebrew 10;8-9. For Christians God has no pleasure for sacrifice and offerings and burnt offerings and offering for sins and for which is offered under law. WHY WOULD THE CLERGY
NOT TELL CHRISTIANS TO SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS BUT TITHE ? Selective preaching and teaching on tithes falsehood cover up still remain. For sure those who are in bondage of the law have men appreciation at hand but those lead by the Holy Spirit in Liberty of grace in Christ Jesus have the acceptance of God. Christians should not be held spiritually hostage by falsehoods. They are amazed we stand in Christ without seeking their favor or consultation in tithes issue. THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE MANY UNSUSPECTING BELIEVERS NOT KNOWING WHAT THEIR ARE TAUGHT MANY TIMES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED IN COUNCILS OF MEN FOR UNIFORMITY AND NOT WITH THE HOLLY SPIRIT. Let Bishops ,Pastors, Priests and Church Elders handle the Church of Christ within Christians doctrines established by Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles in the mission field vision. CHRISTIANS MUST FACE AND ADDRESS THE MASS SWEEPING AND SOOTHING FALSEHOOD TAUGHT BY SOME WELL EDUCATED ELITE CHRISTIANS ABOUT TITHES IN A SOBER SPIRITUAL REALITY FACE OUT. This is real unexpected falsehood from those held dearly in trust by many Christian. The situation becomes more murky and tricky when church elders are accomplished in the classic falsehood which puts the church into mental slavery. The Royal Priesthood in grace is quite different from Leviticus Priesthood under the law. Leviticus Priesthood in the old covenant belonged to the Levite tribe among the eleven tribes in Israel but the Royal Priesthood in the new covenant under oppression and suppression belongs to all brethren in the world in Christ Jesus ( the Church / the body of Christ) who are ministers of the new covenant commissioned to preach to the world. The Royal Priesthood is well placed to reach the world more effectively at close quarters in Christ love and glory expected. It is quite unfortunate that Christians unknowingly are victims of systematic unmarked high professional intellectual falsehood commercialization cover up in tithes teaching by learned Christians brethren which is a disservice to the (church) body of Christ. But Christians have been warned not to be fools since for some preaching and teaching falsehood is a smart act energetically engaged and Christians are openly conned .Ephesians 5:15-16. Tithing under law impoverishes the Royal Priesthood of Christ physically and spiritually which make the Great commission less effective. When all saved Christians are in Royal Priesthood, to whom do you tithe to in the in new covenant? The Royal Priesthood needs to take its place in Christian missions empowered in New Covenant for Christians to work in glory of Christ love intended for the body of Christ.